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I was not raised in a Christian home, so the church norms are sometimes confusing to me. I'm trying to work through the whole "church family" issue. When I first started going to church, about 18 months after I was saved, the concept of having and being a part of a church family was heavily promoted through encouragement of fellowship and small groups, etc. As a person with no natural family to speak of, I thought the concept was great and really sounded like the heart of God. Fourteen years later, I've led Bible studies, volunteered in numerous outreaches, been there to support many a follower of Jesus, and participated in many small groups. I've truly tried to make people a priority and esteem others higher than myself. But I still, after this many years, have nothing more than acquaintances for church relationships. I understand that it's partly, maybe fully, because I'm single and churches seem to be mostly about couples and families, but it's throwing me a bit for a loop at this time.

My thought is perhaps that I misunderstood the concept that was being taught and that church family is not necessarily about having people there to support and be supported by, but rather an opportunity to serve, not to be served. The problem with that is that it does not seem to work. If I have a problem or issue and no one is helping me, that puts me out of commission while I deal with my own crisis alone. And ultimately, I end up juggling so much on my own that I'm not much support to anyone else. So I'm confused. Could you help me better understand this concept and how it works in practical real life. I am truly willing to adjust to having church be solely a place where I got to serve and not much more, but I need some coaching on how to get my head and heart around that.

Thanks so much,
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Hi.

What you describe is common. It's a human failing rather than a defect in the religion itself. People tend to think of their church friends as friends they see weekly and enjoy, but they tend not to go to them as social friends or personal confidants. If this makes those members of the congregation who would like to have closer connections feel left out, I can well understand that.

So, what's the answer? While there are such churches as you are describing, it's also a fact that there are others where the people (or most of them, anyway) do have a closer bond outside of Sunday morning, and they do turn to each other in non-religious situations. The only way to move in that direction (after all the time and activity you've already invested in your current church) would be to look around and find another one where the people do pull together more. They certainly do exist.

If you do this, however, be careful not to find a really welcoming church (and many seem especially welcoming and friendly when the person is a "new face") whose beliefs and practices, however, are wrong.
 
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I too have found this more common in churches than a person wants to think. Now (my) experiences has been that the bigger the church the less apt I was to fit in. After I came back to my birthplace to live which is a small community, the towns around are small and we have small churches. Now again, my, (I am not speaking for others)experience has been that after I started going to I guess maybe its called a full Gospel church(?) I made some friends finally. We have Bible studies at the church and at homes, its been nice. There are some I can go to for maybe more private things and other things I can ask the group. One might think maybe I fit in better around here because being such a small community I knew people to start with but this was not the case. I had been away from home twenty some years and my hometown has changed a lot in those years, many new faces, many old faces gone so it wasn't that. Just as Albion said, be careful where you go, make sure they are teaching the Bible and not something else. Ask God to help you with this. He actually guided me. I attended many churches before I finally listened to God.There is a church for you somewhere. God bless
 
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I know that the catholic church that I attend is you go to church and then after mass you go home.

Admittedly, this is Saturday evening vigil that I attend only every other week (I was given leave by my priest to only attend every other week due to child care issues) and I'm not sure how Sunday morning mass is.
 
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If you have a problem or issue are you not asking your elders or pastor for counsel?
I'm sorry I'm not sure you dealing with but you don't just go to church to serve or just go there to be served. Its both...but your first priority even before others is to love God. He then gives you the strength...are you not relating to God as your heavenly Father anymore and just getting caught up with endless church activities?

Be more like Mary sitting at Jesus feet, nobody gets anywhere by being like Martha all the time.
 
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Be more like Mary sitting at Jesus feet, nobody gets anywhere by being like Martha all the time.

Goodbook is right about this, Jesus must come first, dont get so caught up in the serving part that you neglect your relationship with the Lord. Search the Word of God for answers to things too, how I started out was I got one of those promise books where it lists scriptures for certain problems, while they are not complete answers I would then use the cross reference in my Bible and just keep searching. I found it fun, interesting and very informative most of all. I had a small group of friends that we would sit down and do this together so try to help someone with a problem. I think some times its better to only include the Lord and not to depend on any human input but I also understand wanting the family connection, for many people thats all the family they have. Also another thing. There has been many times I put my own problems aside to help others to find out while helping them I received the answers to my own issues. Pray on these things and give your Father a chance to help.
If you have a problem or issue are you not asking your elders or pastor for counsel?
Some are not comfortable with doing this even knowing what the Bible says but its ok to seek out Biblical guidance in other ways.
 
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My thought is perhaps that I misunderstood the concept that was being taught and that church family is not necessarily about having people there to support and be supported by, but rather an opportunity to serve, not to be served. The problem with that is that it does not seem to work. If I have a problem or issue and no one is helping me, that puts me out of commission while I deal with my own crisis alone. And ultimately, I end up juggling so much on my own that I'm not much support to anyone else. So I'm confused. Could you help me better understand this concept and how it works in practical real life. I am truly willing to adjust to having church be solely a place where I got to serve and not much more, but I need some coaching on how to get my head and heart around that.

Thanks so much,
a

You are correct about your original idea of a church family. What has failed is the church and Christianity itself in this area of church family. It's sad but true.

In the early church, your natural family would disown you for joining a lot of the time, so you were adopted into Christ's family, and these people would give up their entire lives, even wealth often to join with the body of believers. Then they would be trained hands on by other disciples of Christ, to be disciples themselves. Then as they were trained, they began doing to others as they had learned and received.

Where church gets it wrong today, it is a lot about meeting in a building, rather than a lifestyle.

The original church was a lifestyle, not a building, and not a ministry because a "ministry" implies there is a separate ministry than the ministry of Jesus Christ. There is not. There is just Jesus Christ's ministry.

My hunch, my hunch is you are in a box church, and this specific church is maybe part of the issue. If people are showing up not to really have a church family, but just as a place to learn. Learning vs. a new lifestyle with believers is two different things and a lot of churches do teaching and learning, while you live a similar lifestyle before.

Suggestion: Go find another ministry outside the one you're associated with. One where you are ministered to in this capacity of building relationships, rather than you ministering to others and volunteering all the time. You don't have to quit your present ministry, perhaps, but just go find one where you're an outsider and welcomed in not in a position of authority but rather a position where people will want to befriend you.
 
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I was not raised in a Christian home, so the church norms are sometimes confusing to me. I'm trying to work through the whole "church family" issue. When I first started going to church, about 18 months after I was saved, the concept of having and being a part of a church family was heavily promoted through encouragement of fellowship and small groups, etc. As a person with no natural family to speak of, I thought the concept was great and really sounded like the heart of God. Fourteen years later, I've led Bible studies, volunteered in numerous outreaches, been there to support many a follower of Jesus, and participated in many small groups. I've truly tried to make people a priority and esteem others higher than myself. But I still, after this many years, have nothing more than acquaintances for church relationships. I understand that it's partly, maybe fully, because I'm single and churches seem to be mostly about couples and families, but it's throwing me a bit for a loop at this time.

My thought is perhaps that I misunderstood the concept that was being taught and that church family is not necessarily about having people there to support and be supported by, but rather an opportunity to serve, not to be served. The problem with that is that it does not seem to work. If I have a problem or issue and no one is helping me, that puts me out of commission while I deal with my own crisis alone. And ultimately, I end up juggling so much on my own that I'm not much support to anyone else. So I'm confused. Could you help me better understand this concept and how it works in practical real life. I am truly willing to adjust to having church be solely a place where I got to serve and not much more, but I need some coaching on how to get my head and heart around that.

Thanks so much,
a

Miss A: There need to be a balance, it ain't all about you serving, you need support too
when you be hurting or whatever.
You been in that church for fourteen years and nobody be coming alongside you after you made known your
situation or needs known? girlfriend, I'd be out of that church and steady looking for another church!
 
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I was not raised in a Christian home, so the church norms are sometimes confusing to me. I'm trying to work through the whole "church family" issue. When I first started going to church, about 18 months after I was saved, the concept of having and being a part of a church family was heavily promoted through encouragement of fellowship and small groups, etc. As a person with no natural family to speak of, I thought the concept was great and really sounded like the heart of God. Fourteen years later, I've led Bible studies, volunteered in numerous outreaches, been there to support many a follower of Jesus, and participated in many small groups. I've truly tried to make people a priority and esteem others higher than myself. But I still, after this many years, have nothing more than acquaintances for church relationships. I understand that it's partly, maybe fully, because I'm single and churches seem to be mostly about couples and families, but it's throwing me a bit for a loop at this time.

My thought is perhaps that I misunderstood the concept that was being taught and that church family is not necessarily about having people there to support and be supported by, but rather an opportunity to serve, not to be served. The problem with that is that it does not seem to work. If I have a problem or issue and no one is helping me, that puts me out of commission while I deal with my own crisis alone. And ultimately, I end up juggling so much on my own that I'm not much support to anyone else. So I'm confused. Could you help me better understand this concept and how it works in practical real life. I am truly willing to adjust to having church be solely a place where I got to serve and not much more, but I need some coaching on how to get my head and heart around that.

Thanks so much,
a
It sounds to me like you are a knowledgeable Christian, and probably already spiritually well-informed, and as a result are looking for practical answers. God has called you to a hard place so far. It's good that you are willing to take actions to deal with it. (You chose to write your original post.)

Some of my ideas that follow are not from experience, but from study.

I suspect that if you want close friends or to marry, you will need to be more aggressive, if you can. If you've been praying for friends for a long time, then God may have already finished his end of the work. Understanding how relationships form and grow (and crash) is helpful. You need to invite people into your life. How to do that depends on you, them, and what your relationships are already like. Forming deeper friendships can be costly. If there are people whose company you like, then you need to be willing to annoy or impose yourself on them. :) Well, that's how it may feel to you, anyway.

Most people don't have free time, so you need to make spending time with you rise in their list of priorities. And the only way that is going to happen is by spending time with them so they can find out whether they want that or not. It is also a good way to find people that are worth investing yourself in over the long-term. God did not create us with the ability to handle broken relationships. That wasn't supposed to ever happen. Set in your mind that the friends you make will always be lifelong friends from your perspective and leave how they handle their end of the relationship between God and them (pray for them and the relationship, if you want).

Broadening the things you chat with people about is a good step. It makes it easier to see when you have an opportunity to offer to help them with something. Share your feelings about things that are important to you, even if you don't think they are worth talking about. (Having a low view of yourself or the things you do can make this hard. Stop taking that view.) I never perceive someone sharing their feelings negatively. I perceive it as someone trusting me. Accept them as they are. Unlike writing in a forum designed for questions and answers, don't give advice, which includes not making a point of explaining the details on how you handled a similar situation (unless they ask). Help them with where they're at, instead of trying to improve them or what they do.

If you can do these things regularly with people, your relationships will turn into a friendships. Keep broadening and deepening the things you chat about though sharing more and more of yourself. Each different environment you can be in with them deepens a friendship in an uncharacteristically fast way. i.e., make opportunities to get together away from church, then maybe at work, then at the zoo, etc. Don't push the relationship to deepen faster than it does naturally. (The things I just mentioned can take years.) Don't let it put you off that they might be raising 5 children, so they can't possibly have enough time. As I said it is a matter of where you are in their list of priorities. Be willing to ask for help with anything you could use help with!

Having said all that, don't stretch too far to do any of it. It is just as important to just be who you are. You can visit other study groups to get a better idea what's going on in the church, and may meet people. Somehow, make sure people in the church know what things you like to do when you have free time as well as what things you have training in. There are all kinds of things that people are already interested in talking about with someone (e.g., hobby enthusiasts). Take every opportunity to meet with someone. Much enjoyment with people is when you've gathered because of something in common (such as a task that needs to be done), but then you end up talking about other things. Volunteer for church needs when it will give you a chance to chat with people.

You need to turn yourself loose on people! :)
 
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I've experienced this, but it doesn't help that when people marry and begin to have kids, they're in a different world than you, creating distance. Couple that with people wanting to get out of my city for economic and other reasons. Result: Having to reinvent the wheel with friendships every few years.
 
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If you have a problem or issue are you not asking your elders or pastor for counsel?
I'm sorry I'm not sure you dealing with but you don't just go to church to serve or just go there to be served. Its both...but your first priority even before others is to love God. He then gives you the strength...are you not relating to God as your heavenly Father anymore and just getting caught up with endless church activities?

Be more like Mary sitting at Jesus feet, nobody gets anywhere by being like Martha all the time.

I hear what you're saying, but that is not the issue. The issue is more that I relate very well with my Dad in Heaven without the church. I'm kind of trying to find the place church fits in my life. I'd always been taught it was for discipleship, service and fellowship. I've got the service part down, I can learn without a local church, but the fellowship part would be nice. I don't really find other people necessary for me to have a deep relationship with my Dad. So, to be honest, that's what I've been doing for the last several months, sitting at the feet of Jesus and not attending church at all, and watching Andy Stanley's live broadcasts on Sundays at home. I've truly enjoyed it, and I don't really miss church. There are some outreaches I want to be sure I don't miss, but I can find out about those on Facebook. There are those who say if you don't participate with a fellowship that you are backsliding. But it's really the fellowship that's not participating with me. I'm willing, but can't seem to break the code. And yes, not a single person has noticed I'm gone. So, you all who have said I need a new church are probably right. I guess I'm questioning if all churches won't be the same in that regard. And then one day I meet Mr. Right and become part of a couple and suddenly I qualify to have a church family. Hmmmm....forgivable, but not that appealing. But I'll still be kind to them.

Anyway, I truly appreciate all who have responded here. It's very much helped me process this through.

Blessings on your day!
 
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I am truly willing to adjust to having church be solely a place where I got to serve and not much more

Most of the problems with churches are problems with people. We are also at a point in history where Satan has been guiding the world into greater collectivism (which kills relationships). If it wasn’t for TV, video games, and movies more people might have been objecting to this earlier.

There is a humorous booklet (free pdf) taking a look at many church practices that you might get a chuckle out of.

http://christianpioneer.com/blogarchieve/go2church.pdf

In a more serious book, there was a woman who had a sad life and on the day she planned to kill herself, she read a tract and got saved. In the book she wrote called Gelnda’s story she said she started visiting a neighborhood church and in a few weeks went from thinking she was the only one who had not heard about Jesus to thinking she was the only one who had.

http://www.graceandtruthbooks.com/product/glendas-story-led-by-grace

No matter what church you go to, you aren’t going to find very many people who want a closer walk with the Lord, much less a closer friendship with others. This makes those few you find such special treasures. You could be that one to someone else. Consider the number of elderly people who are neglected and desperate for someone to show an interest in them.
 
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We are also at a point in history where Satan has been guiding the world into greater collectivism
def. collectivism - the practice or principle of giving a group priority over each individual in it.

We have become extremely unconcerned about groups of people as well as other individuals. In America, we are raised to be extremely self-focused. (There are exceptions.) This is not quite the case in some other countries, where the culture pressures everyone to be faithful to their family (but they have different problems).
 
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And yes, not a single person has noticed I'm gone
This is far more common than we might think. Yet the NT puts such a strong emphasis on hospitality, caring for those on the outs, etc.

There is a lot of effort to correct this, such as home groups, house churches, various ministries, social media and the like, but the church has been affected by the culture (and how could it not, since many have come to Christ fresh out of the culture), and finds itself struggling in many ways and to some extent caught up in survival, if not outright success-seeking, mode.

You do very well if you hold onto Jesus in all this. But you do even better if you gain the victory and find the strength to help the church mature through its problems.
 
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