God's 7000 year Plan

Ronald · May 2, 2016

keras said:
7000 years from the Creation to the Completion of Mankind:

Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3970.5 BCE
Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70, Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech +187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 6:7 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10
Our year 2314.5 BCE

Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber +30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70, Abram was +52 when God called him and they left Ur. Our year 1070.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 23 years, then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4 Total years so far = 2000

Gen 17:1, Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was made with God. +47 Genesis
17:1-8
Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Torah was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus – 2477, in our year 1493.5 BCE. [Many ancient records say Comet Typhon passed close the earth at that time. It was the cause of many of the disasters in Egypt.]
1 Kings 6:1 The Temple construction starts, in the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since Torah and the Exodus.. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36, 1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17, 1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1-3 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:1-2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:32 Jotham +16, 2 Kings 16:1-2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1-2 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 22:31 Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoiakim +11, 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoichin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in our year 586 BCE.
Total elapsed years to the first exile of Judah = 3386.5

586 BCE + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5 CE, the date of Jesus’ baptism.Luke 3:1 Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts years from their commencement. 3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years.

Jan. 2016 CE - 29.5 CE = 1986.5 years since the commencement of Jesus’ Ministry.
1986.5 + 4000 =5986.5 years, is where we are now. 5986.5 + 13.5 = 6000 years.
2016 CE + 13.5 = 2029.5 CE Exactly 2000 years to the end of the present Church age. 4000 since Abraham and 6000 since Adam.
It isn't my intention to promote dates for any future happening, just to present the time periods as given in our Bibles, coupled with known historical dates.

Fascinating information and thanks for that - I knew we were closer to year 6000. Why are the Jews off by 210 years? (5776)
Maybe your calculations are off by ten years and if the Great Tribulation begins this year and lasts 3.5 years it will end at 6000. I don't have a problem with waiting another ten years for this to happen - it's probable. I just think something is going to happen before Obama gets out of office or at least by 2018 (70 years added to 1948). He made a joke during his last speech the other day that Michelle Bachman said he was going to bring about the "End of days"! Unbeknownst to him, he may just suffer a blow to the head and 3 days later be possessed by Satan. ???

parousia70 · May 2, 2016

keras said:
Like the ancient prophets, whose writings I promote, I am quite lonely in my beliefs. I do have a small group of fellow believers, who eagerly anticipate the complete fulfilment of Bible prophecy.
However, I am not lonely in my spiritual relationship with God.

Ok, so in nearly 2000 years of Christianity, you can't even point to one published scholar who shares your view. Not even one.

I'm glad you find comfort in that I guess, to me it's a HUGE red flag.

Its not really that hard to figure out what has been fulfilled and what is yet to come. 2 Samuel 22:8-16 remains unfulfilled and the rest of 2 Samuel 22:17-51 can be looked on as how the Lord acted for David then and how He will again avenge His people, bringing down the ungodly nations. 2 Samuel 22:48-49

Again, your opinion on these verses runs contrary to every knowledgeable theologian who has ever published an opinion on the topic in the last 1900+ years. Every one.

How did you acquire such a special grasp of the obvious that 2000 years of learned Christians seem to have missed?

keras · May 2, 2016

parousia70 said:
How did you acquire such a special grasp of the obvious that 2000 years of learned Christians seem to have missed?

Jesus tells us how the learned and wise miss the obvious:
Matthew 11:25 Father, I thank You for hiding these things from the learned and wise and revealing them to the simple.
Also in Isaiah 29:9-12 If you confuse yourself, [with false teachings] then you will stay confused. For the Lord has poured on you the spirit of deep stupor, the prophetic vision of it all has become for you like a sealed book.....
And I have to say, as well, that your scoffing and sneering attitude toward the Bible truth I present, places you in the category of those mentioned in 2 Peter 3:3-5
You have yet to properly address the OP, your tactic is personal character assassination and denigration. I suggest you look to your own beliefs: given the current state of the world and seriously consider what God should do to correct it.

keras · May 2, 2016

Ronald said:
Fascinating information and thanks for that - I knew we were closer to year 6000. Why are the Jews off by 210 years? (5776)
Maybe your calculations are off by ten years and if the Great Tribulation begins this year and lasts 3.5 years it will end at 6000.

The time periods are as given in our Bibles. From the known date of the conquest of Judah in 586 BCE, the exact time until the Baptism of Jesus, in 29.5 CE is 613.5 years. This adds perfectly with all the years from Adam until then: 3386.5, to 4000 years.
These are not 'calculations' as such, just simple addition. Check them yourself, before suggesting I may be wrong.
I guess certain other members have done this, but being unable to find any errors, have had to resort to saying because every other Bible 'expert' since Bishop Ussher couldn't do what Keras has, then Keras must be wrong.
The fact that I do have it correct, is an indication that the last few years are upon us. Daniel 12:9 And a mighty wake up call to all of us!

BTW, The Great tribulation will be the last 3.5 years before the Return. It is the next prophesied event; the Sixth Seal, that we should be aware of and prepared for physically and spiritually.
Believe the Jews? Jeremiah 8:8

Ronald · May 4, 2016

keras said:
The time periods are as given in our Bibles. From the known date of the conquest of Judah in 586 BCE, the exact time until the Baptism of Jesus, in 29.5 CE is 613.5 years. This adds perfectly with all the years from Adam until then: 3386.5, to 4000 years.
These are not 'calculations' as such, just simple addition. Check them yourself, before suggesting I may be wrong.
I guess certain other members have done this, but being unable to find any errors, have had to resort to saying because every other Bible 'expert' since Bishop Ussher couldn't do what Keras has, then Keras must be wrong.
The fact that I do have it correct, is an indication that the last few years are upon us. Daniel 12:9 And a mighty wake up call to all of us!

BTW, The Great tribulation will be the last 3.5 years before the Return. It is the next prophesied event; the Sixth Seal, that we should be aware of and prepared for physically and spiritually.
Believe the Jews? Jeremiah 8:8

That comment was tongue in cheek. You may be accurate ... I said thanks! That said, to think that God would start or end the Great Tribulation on Year 6000 is too exact, perfect and predictable. If we believed that, then the scripture "no one knows the day or the hour ..." would be refutable. We could say, Oh sure we do, He's coming back at year 6000 ... it's His plan for man, then after that, the 1000 year kingdom ... simple arithmetic!

tickingclocker · May 4, 2016

Ronald said:
That comment was tongue in cheek. You may be accurate ... I said thanks! That said, to think that God would start or end the Great Tribulation on Year 6000 is too exact, perfect and predictable. If we believed that, then the scripture "no one knows the day or the hour ..." would be refutable. We could say, Oh sure we do, He's coming back at year 6000 ... it's His plan for man, then after that, the 1000 year kingdom ... simple arithmetic!

Hmm... never considered that perspective from that angle before. Knowing would make it refutable, making Jesus a liar which He is not.

It's all conjecture anyway of anyone who thinks they can predict days, even right down to the minute.

Romans 3:4a. Absolutely not! Let God be proven true, and every human being shown up as a liar...

keras · May 5, 2016

tickingclocker said:
Hmm... never considered that perspective from that angle before. Knowing would make it refutable, making Jesus a liar which He is not.

It's all conjecture anyway of anyone who thinks they can predict days, even right down to the minute.

Ronald and TC, Jesus said: no one knows the that Day and hour....Matthew 24:36 & Matthew 25:13
Exactly which Day He was referring to is unclear. Is it the Day of wrath at the Sixth Seal or His Return?
The first time, Jesus had just prophesied to us that when we see the fig tree budding, we will know the end is near. The fig tree is an allegory for the House of Judah and we have seen the Jewish people bud and blossom as they replant and develop the State of Israel.
The second time is just after the ten virgins parable. From that, we are told to keep awake and be ready. For what exactly, we aren't told.
But Luke 21:34-35, 2 Peter 3:7, Amos 5:18-20 and many other prophesies do say a Day is coming that doesn't relate to the glorious Return. A terrible day of worldwide disaster, the Sixth Seal; that will come some years before the Return. 1 Thessalonians 5:3
So it isn't the Return that Jesus said we couldn't know about, but His forthcoming Day of wrath.
I have proved the 7000 year Plan of God. It is Biblical and accurate. Denial of the truth is a slippery slope, what next?

tickingclocker · May 5, 2016

keras said:
Ronald and TC, Jesus said: no one knows the that Day and hour....Matthew 24:36 & Matthew 25:13
Exactly which Day He was referring to is unclear. Is it the Day of wrath at the Sixth Seal or His Return?
The first time, Jesus had just prophesied to us that when we see the fig tree budding, we will know the end is near. The fig tree is an allegory for the House of Judah and we have seen the Jewish people bud and blossom as they replant and develop the State of Israel.
The second time is just after the ten virgins parable. From that, we are told to keep awake and be ready. For what exactly, we aren't told.
But Luke 21:34-35, 2 Peter 3:7, Amos 5:18-20 and many other prophesies do say a Day is coming that doesn't relate to the glorious Return. A terrible day of worldwide disaster, the Sixth Seal; that will come some years before the Return. 1 Thessalonians 5:3
So it isn't the Return that Jesus said we couldn't know about, but His forthcoming Day of wrath.
I have proved the 7000 year Plan of God. It is Biblical and accurate. Denial of the truth is a slippery slope, what next?

Matt. 24:36, 37. “But as for that day and hour no one knows it – not even the angels in heaven – except the Father alone. For just like the days of Noah were, so the coming of the Son of Man will be.

The reference in that verse is pretty clear. The day of Jesus' return.

So are you expecting us to believe that you know the precise date this "day of wrath" will be? Notice I'm not discounting the fact that indeed there will be the day of wrath. It's common knowledge among Christians that this day of wrath will come, because of God's word. Not your word. You know this information, right along with us--from the bible.

In light of that, the only thing you might be claiming as "additional information" is, you believe you have been informed by God of the precise date (year/month/day/hour) the day of wrath will happen? Is that correct?

tickingclocker · May 5, 2016

keras said:
Ronald and TC, Jesus said: no one knows the that Day and hour....Matthew 24:36 & Matthew 25:13
Exactly which Day He was referring to is unclear. Is it the Day of wrath at the Sixth Seal or His Return?
The first time, Jesus had just prophesied to us that when we see the fig tree budding, we will know the end is near. The fig tree is an allegory for the House of Judah and we have seen the Jewish people bud and blossom as they replant and develop the State of Israel.
The second time is just after the ten virgins parable. From that, we are told to keep awake and be ready. For what exactly, we aren't told.
But Luke 21:34-35, 2 Peter 3:7, Amos 5:18-20 and many other prophesies do say a Day is coming that doesn't relate to the glorious Return. A terrible day of worldwide disaster, the Sixth Seal; that will come some years before the Return. 1 Thessalonians 5:3
So it isn't the Return that Jesus said we couldn't know about, but His forthcoming Day of wrath.
I have proved the 7000 year Plan of God. It is Biblical and accurate. Denial of the truth is a slippery slope, what next?

Not to be picky, but.... It's the land we've seen bud and blossom as the Jewish people replant and develop the state of Israel. Not the Jewish people. They are still the exact same people as they were in Jesus' time. Blinded to their Messiah.

keras · May 5, 2016

tickingclocker said:
Matt. 24:36, 37. “But as for that day and hour no one knows it – not even the angels in heaven – except the Father alone. For just like the days of Noah were, so the coming of the Son of Man will be.
The reference in that verse is pretty clear. The day of Jesus' return.

It actually isn't clear that it is the Return in glory, at all.
What happened in the days of Noah? A virtual wipeout of humanity and the Lord wasn't seen then.
So the Day no one knows, including me, will be the multi prophesied Day of the Lord's wrath, where the Lord will send fire, Amos 1, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7. Again, He won't be seen: Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 18:11, Habakkuk 3:4
Have you looked at the Damascus and animals thread? I post there; the proofs of how we [who survive, God willing] will know to the day, when the Return will come.

tickingclocker · May 5, 2016

keras said:
It actually isn't clear that it is the Return in glory, at all.
What happened in the days of Noah? A virtual wipeout of humanity and the Lord wasn't seen then.
So the Day no one knows, including me, will be the multi prophesied Day of the Lord's wrath, where the Lord will send fire, Amos 1, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7. Again, He won't be seen: Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 18:11, Habakkuk 3:4
Have you looked at the Damascus and animals thread? I post there; the proofs of how we [who survive, God willing] will know to the day, when the Return will come.

As in the days of Noah... they will be marrying and carrying on, ignoring God, as if nothing out of the ordinary will happen. Take it in context of all verses, not just one myopic view because it somehow proves something you prefer to believe. And why do you say the Lord "wasn't seen" then? Wasn't Noah's Ark enough of seeing God in action for you? It sure was seeing God in action for Noah!

Matt. 24:38, 39; Heb. 11:7; 1 Peter 3:20

keras · May 5, 2016

tickingclocker said:
As in the days of Noah... they will be marrying and carrying on, ignoring God, as if nothing out of the ordinary will happen. Take it in context of all verses, not just one myopic view because it somehow proves something you prefer to believe. And why do you say the Lord "wasn't seen" then? Wasn't Noah's Ark enough of seeing God in action for you? It sure was seeing God in action for Noah!

Exactly my point: God maintained His hiddenness then and will do so again. Only after all that is prophesied for the last days, will Jesus Return visible to all.
If you wish to accuse me of not looking at the context, you must post and prove the other view.

1 Samuel 2:10 Those who oppose the Lord will be terrified, when from the heavens He thunders against them....
Romans 1:18 Divine retribution will be seen at work, falling from heaven onto all ungodly peoples....
2 Peter 3:7..... The earth is reserved for burning.....
I have lots more prophesies about the forthcoming Lord's Day of wrath, a Day that will occur years before the Return.

tickingclocker · May 5, 2016

keras said:
Exactly my point: God maintained His hiddenness then and will do so again. Only after all that is prophesied for the last days, will Jesus Return visible to all.
If you wish to accuse me of not looking at the context, you must post and prove the other view.

1 Samuel 2:10 Those who oppose the Lord will be terrified, when from the heavens He thunders against them....
Romans 1:18 Divine retribution will be seen at work, falling from heaven onto all ungodly peoples....
2 Peter 3:7..... The earth is reserved for burning.....
I have lots more prophesies about the forthcoming Lord's Day of wrath, a Day that will occur years before the Return.

God is always visible to those who seek Him. Noah saw God in action. We even see God in action, each and every day. He's never "hidden" to those who believe in His Son.

I want God to wait longer than you do. There are too many people who don't know Jesus Christ yet. FAR too many. Instead of being concerned with something that doesn't concern me, I choose to work for the Lord instead of fighting against the devil. This will be the last post here.

keras · May 7, 2016

God’s 7000 year plan for humankind is now approaching the 6000 year point. There were 4000 years from Adam to the commencement of Jesus’ ministry. His time on earth of teaching, healing and preparing His disciples, started in AD 29/30, the 15th year of Tiberius. Luke 3:1 That was 1986.5 years ago.

Luke 13:32 Listen, today and tomorrow, I shall be driving out demons and working cures and on the third day, I shall attain My goal.

This must be a prophecy, as in the next verse Jesus says;
Luke 13:33 However, I must go on My way this day, tomorrow and the next, then meet My death in Jerusalem.

A matching prophecy is in Hosea 6:2 After two days He will revive us, on the third, He will restore us, that we may live in His presence. So, there are two “days” that the people of the world must wait until the Lord Jesus comes into His Kingdom and restores us. Just before that, His people are ‘revived ‘ by going to live in the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-31

As to where Jesus is now, we can’t know what is happening in the heavenly realms, but, there are many instances of Jesus appearing to people who cry out to Him, He promises to be with us spiritually and He performs miraculous healings.

John 5:17 My Father is always at work, to this very day and I too am working.
John 14:23 Anyone who loves Me will heed what I say.... we will come to him and make our dwelling with him.
Matthew 28:20 ... Observe all that I have commanded you and I will be with you always, to the end of time.

We have five possible ways of discerning the year when the Lord will appear in His glory and commence His Millennial reign:

Two thousand years from 29/30 CE, the commencement of Jesus’ ministry.
The 7th year of the Sabbath year cycle falls on 2029/30 CE.
2030 is the 40th Jubilee year from 70 CE.

4. Ezekiel 4:6..40 year exile decreed for Judah. Multiplied by 7x7 – Leviticus 26:23 & 27 and confirmed by Isaiah 40:2. Equals 1960 years. From 70 CE + 1960 = 2030 The Return of the King
5. Logic: The world staggers on in its apostate and wicked ways. The many prophesied events still to occur before His Return must take place, so 13.5 years seems a quite likely timeframe.

Isaiah 46:10, Amos 3:7 and Revelation 1:1, state that the Lord declares His intentions thru the prophets and reveals His plans to His servants.
It follows, therefore, that we, as His servants, by diligently searching His word, can find out and be warned of dramatic future events, to happen before the Return.

keras · May 12, 2016

Isaiah 26:11 Lord; Your hand is lifted high, let the fire reserved for Your enemies consume them. The godless cannot see how You will protect Your people.

Isaiah 26:20-21 Go My people, enter your rooms and shut the doors after you. Withdraw for a little while, until the Lord’s wrath has passed. The Lord is coming from His dwelling place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their sins. Then the earth will show the blood shed on it and hide the slain no more.

Isaiah 25:9 On that Day, Your people will say: See, this is our God, we have waited for Him and He will deliver us, let us rejoice and exult in His deliverance.
Isaiah 25:1-3 Y’hovah, You are my God, I shall praise You, for You have done wonderful things – long planned, certain and sure. You have turned cities into heaps of rubble, their houses swept away – never to be rebuilt. For this, many a cruel nation is in awe of You.

Isaiah 26:16-19 In our distress, Lord, we sought You out, chastened by the whisper of Your rebuke. As a woman with child cries out in her pains, so were we because of You, Lord. Our labour has been in vain, we achieved nothing for Your Land or people. But Your dead will live, those long dead who lay in the earth, will rise again, they will arise and shout for joy.

Isaiah 25:4-5 Truly, You have been a refuge to the poor and needy in their distress, their shelter from the tempest, shade from the heat. For the attack of the godless gets them nowhere and You silence the uproar of our enemies.

Isaiah 26:15 Lord, You have enlarged the nation and won honour for Yourself. You have extended all the frontiers of this country.
Isaiah 26:1-2 On that Day this song will be sung in Judah; We have a strong city – Open the gates, let a righteous nation enter, a people who kept the faith. Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged

‘The Lord’s hand of judgement is ready to strike, the fire reserved for Your enemies will consume them’. Isaiah 66:15-16, Malachi 4:1, Hebrews 10:27, Revelation 6:12-17

‘for the attack of the godless gets them nowhere’, The fulfilment of Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12, Jeremiah 49:35-37

‘Whole cities are destroyed and those killed will lie unburied’. Amos 1:1-15, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 9:22, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Isaiah 17:1

But the Lord will ‘be a refuge for His righteous people’. Psalms 62:5-8, Zephaniah 2:3

..’shade from the heat’, they ‘withdraw for a little while’ – take shelter from the fire reserved for His enemies’, a gigantic coronal mass ejection fireball, that will quickly pass. Isaiah 30:26-28, Proverbs 3:25-26, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7

Then ‘a righteous nation enters’ Greater Israel, all the area promised to the Patriarchs.
They live in the new country of Beulah in peace and prosperity. Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Jeremiah 31:10-14, Isaiah 27:6, Ezekiel 28:24-26 They will fulfill their destiny to be ‘a light to the nations’ and ‘His witnesses to the world’. Isaiah 43:10-12, Isaiah 66:19

‘Your dead will rise again’. This happens later, Jesus will bring the souls of the dead martyrs with Him at His Return. Revelation 6:9-11, Revelation 20:4

ebedmelech · May 14, 2016

I'm trying to see how this is *God's 7000 Year Plan*....what's the plan?

keras · May 15, 2016

ebedmelech said:
I'm trying to see how this is *God's 7000 Year Plan*....what's the plan?

My post #115, tells about the next prophesied event we can expect; the Lord's Day of wrath against the nations.
After this worldwide disaster, we know there is only 'about' 20 years from then until the Return of Jesus at year 6000.

ebedmelech · May 15, 2016

keras said:
My post #115, tells about the next prophesied event we can expect; the Lord's Day of wrath against the nations.
After this worldwide disaster, we know there is only 'about' 20 years from then until the Return of Jesus at year 6000.

I think not. The true problem here is trying to figure out when the end comes or the next prophetic event. We do better to do as Jesus said and occupy until He comes.

We're in a space time dimension, God is not. To try to figure this out, especially using passages that are already fulfilled, is futile.

keras · May 15, 2016

ebedmelech said:
I think not. The true problem here is trying to figure out when the end comes or the next prophetic event. We do better to do as Jesus said and occupy until He comes.

Thanks, Ebed for your input. Any discussion is better than none.
I assume you have read the OP? There is really no question of agreeing or disagreeing with those facts as presented. The simple truth is; we have only a few years left of this Church age.
Yes, we must be seen doing the Lord's work, now and when He comes, but it is clear the world will experience some dramatic events before the glorious Return. We are told about them, shouldn't we know and be prepared for what must happen?

ebedmelech · May 16, 2016

keras said:
Thanks, Ebed for your input. Any discussion is better than none.
I assume you have read the OP?

Indeed. However I don't find it credible but rather imposing on scripture. It assumes a 7000 year plan, something not found in scripture. What we know of the number 7 from scripture, it indicates God's work and will...not His plan. What we know of God's plan is that He is choosing out a people for His Name. We have the message.

keras said:
There is really no question of agreeing or disagreeing with those facts as presented. The simple truth is; we have only a few years left of this Church age.

I think there is a question of agreeing or disagreeing because you assume we have only a few years. No one knows how much time is left. What we do know is that the Lord will return. When He returns....is in His time. The Lord Jesus told the disciples before He ascended in Acts 1:6-8:
6 So when they had come together, they were asking Him, saying, “Lord, is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?”
7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority;
8 but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”

I don't see a 7000 year plan in that...but I do read our Lord saying these are things we are not to know.

keras said:
Yes, we must be seen doing the Lord's work, now and when He comes, but it is clear the world will experience some dramatic events before the glorious Return. We are told about them, shouldn't we know and be prepared for what must happen?

The world has been experiencing dramatic events before the incarnation and after the incarnation. We are told to "endure to the end"...not prepare for it. Even in "dramatic events" Keras, the Lord's work must continue.

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