Israel goes full Moloch

Hank77 said:

We agree on this.


What scripture causes you to believe this? Thanks

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MWood said:

I wish I were as smart as this computer, I'd just kick those scriptures out for you.

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Hank77 said:

These are scriptures that say present tense who we are as the body of Christ.

1Co 12:27 and ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Eph 2:14 for he is our peace, who did make both one, and the middle wall of the enclosure did break down,
Eph 2:15 the enmity in his flesh, the law of the commands in ordinances having done away, that the two he might create in himself into one new man, making peace,
Eph 2:16 and might reconcile both in one body to God through the cross, having slain the enmity in it,
Eph 2:17 and having come, he did proclaim good news--peace to you--the far-off and the nigh,
Eph 2:18 because through him we have the access--we both--in one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Then, therefore, ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow-citizens of the saints, and of the household of God,

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MWood said:

And when is this Body of one new creation presented to God?

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Hank77 said:

These are scriptures that say present tense who we are as the body of Christ.

1Co 12:27 and ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Eph 2:14 for he is our peace, who did make both one, and the middle wall of the enclosure did break down,
Eph 2:15 the enmity in his flesh, the law of the commands in ordinances having done away, that the two he might create in himself into one new man, making peace,
Eph 2:16 and might reconcile both in one body to God through the cross, having slain the enmity in it,
Eph 2:17 and having come, he did proclaim good news--peace to you--the far-off and the nigh,
Eph 2:18 because through him we have the access--we both--in one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Then, therefore, ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow-citizens of the saints, and of the household of God,

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Hank77 said:

These are scriptures that say present tense who we are as the body of Christ.

1Co 12:27 and ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Eph 2:14 for he is our peace, who did make both one, and the middle wall of the enclosure did break down,
Eph 2:15 the enmity in his flesh, the law of the commands in ordinances having done away, that the two he might create in himself into one new man, making peace,
Eph 2:16 and might reconcile both in one body to God through the cross, having slain the enmity in it,
Eph 2:17 and having come, he did proclaim good news--peace to you--the far-off and the nigh,
Eph 2:18 because through him we have the access--we both--in one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Then, therefore, ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow-citizens of the saints, and of the household of God,

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MWood said:

Maybe that is something for you to consider?

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Hank77 said:

It's really hard to guess what someone is referring to without scripture or further explanation at least. I really shouldn't indulge you by even trying....
I fail to see how when the Body is presented to God has anything to do with the membership in the Body at this present time. Obviously it is still incomplete.

1Co 15:27 for all things He did put under his feet, and, when one may say that all things have been subjected, it is evident that He is excepted who did subject the all things to him,
1Co 15:28 and when the all things may be subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall be subject to Him, who did subject to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.

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Hank77 said:

I don't know what you want me to consider or why?
If you don't think that the body of Christ is presently made up of Jews and Gentiles in Christ then I don't have anything to consider. Paul is very clear that it is, and it really doesn't matter when the completed Body will be presented to the Father, that I can see.
If you cannot explain your premise than I have nothing to go on or think about. So we can leave it at that.
God Bless

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MWood said:

Maybe you would consider writing the book I was referring to?

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Biblewriter said:

God never "tries" to do anything. He either does it or He does not do it. And when He does it, He never fails.

Here are twelve places where we are specifically told that Israel will eventually repent, and how God will make this happen.

“Now therefore, thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, concerning this city of which you say, ‘It shall be delivered into the hand of the king of Babylon by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence: Behold, I will gather them out of all countries where I have driven them in My anger, in My fury, and in great wrath; I will bring them back to this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely. They shall be My people, and I will be their God; then I will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear Me forever, for the good of them and their children after them. And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from doing them good; but I will put My fear in their hearts so that they will not depart from Me. Yes, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will assuredly plant them in this land, with all My heart and with all My soul.’” (Jeremiah 32:36-41)

“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, £though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” (Jeremiah 31:31-34)

“And it shall come to pass in all the land,”
Says the Lord,
“That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die,
But one-third shall be left in it:
I will bring the one-third through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is My people’;
And each one will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’” (Zechariah 13:8-9)

Therefore thus says the Lord, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob:
“Jacob shall not now be ashamed,
Nor shall his face now grow pale;
But when he sees his children,
The work of My hands, in his midst,
They will hallow My name,
And hallow the Holy One of Jacob,
And fear the God of Israel.
These also who erred in spirit will come to understanding,
And those who complained will learn doctrine.” (Isaiah 29:22-24)

“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves. (Zechariah 12:10-14)

“Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord GOD, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations. Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord GOD, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”

As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you: And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant: And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 20:33-38)

And it shall come to pass that he who is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy—everyone who is recorded among the living in Jerusalem. When the Lord has washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and purged the blood of Jerusalem from her midst, by the spirit of judgment and by the spirit of burning. (Isaiah 4:3-4)

In that day you shall not be shamed for any of your deeds
In which you transgress against Me;
For then I will take away from your midst
Those who rejoice in your pride,
And you shall no longer be haughty
In My holy mountain.
I will leave in your midst
A meek and humble people,
And they shall trust in the name of the Lord.
The remnant of Israel shall do no unrighteousness
And speak no lies,
Nor shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth;
For they shall feed their flocks and lie down,
And no one shall make them afraid.” (Zephaniah 3:11-13)

“At that time Jerusalem shall be called The Throne of the Lord, and all the nations shall be gathered to it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem. No more shall they follow the dictates of their evil hearts.
“In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given as an inheritance to your fathers. (Jeremiah 3:17-18)

‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will also enable you to dwell in the cities, and the ruins shall be rebuilt. The desolate land shall be tilled instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass by. So they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden; and the wasted, desolate, and ruined cities are now fortified and inhabited.’ Then the nations which are left all around you shall know that I, the Lord, have rebuilt the ruined places and planted what was desolate. I, the Lord, have spoken it, and I will do it.” (Ezekiel 36:22-36)

All these quotations are from the NKJV

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random person said:

you're funny bw very funny because all of these verses are dealing with the babylonian captives.

please read the passage i marked in red within the quote directly above, god purges out the rebels and disbelievers amongst israel BEFORE returning israel BACK into the land. why did god scatter them amongst the heathen? for their profane idolatries ezekiel 20:29-32 just as their fathers were cast into the wilderness of egypt for abominable idolatries israel will once again be cast into the wilderness of babylon for abominable idolatries such as baal and other idols. israel was passing their children through the fire ezekiel 20:31. tell me something bw is the state of israel worshipping idols and passing their children through fires?

WHAT DOES EZEKIEL 20:38 SAY ABOUT THE REBELS AND THE TRANSGRESSORS? ARE THEY RETURNED BACK INTO THE LAND? OR ARE THEY PURGED OUT AND WILL NOT RETURN BACK INTO THE LAND?

god already gave israel a new covenant luke 22:20

god already gave israel an everlasting covenant hebrews 13:20

god already gave israel a new heart hebrews 8:10; hebrews 10:16; 2 corinthians 3:3

god already reigns from jerusalem galatians 4:26; hebrews 12:22

please reread the text highlighted in red within your quoted post directly above

you still havent given a single verse supporting your dispensationalist false doctrine of god regathering israel in a state of disbelief and rebellion back into the land

we are still waiting bw?

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Berean777 said:

That they will and this has no covenantal merit tied to land rights as you have implied, rather it is solely tied to the Messiah and his redemptive work on the cross. This means that they have to pick up their crosses just like everyone else and to quickly get on the great commission bandwagon as the 11th hour workmen and forget about their indulgence in genealogy and land rights.

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random person said:

you still havent given a single verse supporting your dispensationalist false doctrine of god regathering israel in a state of disbelief and rebellion back into the land

we are still waiting bw?

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random person said:

ezekiel 20 is a favorite of dispensationalists yet they intentionally or subconsciously overlook ezekiel 20:31 (israel committed idolatry and passed children through the fire) & ezekiel 20:38 (god purges out from amongst the babylonian captives the rebels and the transgressors BEFORE returning israel back into the land)

bw has not provided one single scriptural evidence to support his scriptural doctrine that god will return israel back into the land while in a state of rebellion and unbelief because he cant. one cant be found.

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Biblewriter said:

I have not even tried to give you such a scripture, because that is not what I said. Go back carefully through this entire thread. Then search every post I have ever made, and you will never find such a statement, even once.

I never said that God would regather Israel in a state of disbelief and rebellion.

What I am saying is that the prophetic scriptures clearly show that Judah will be in her land at the time the prophecies speak of. And since she had been expelled in the first century, students of Bible prophecy have known for at least three hundred years that she would return. For these prophecies contain a very large number of details that have unquestionably not been fulfilled, so they must of necessity speak of a time that is still in the future.

But the same scriptures that show Judah back in her land also show her there in a state of unbelief and rebellion.

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Biblewriter said:

Actually, you are the one that is ignoring what this passage explicitly says.

"35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will plead My case with you face to face. 36 Just as I pleaded My case with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will plead My case with you," says the Lord GOD." Ezekiel 20:35-36

Here we read of where this purging will take place. And it is not in Babyon, but in the wilderness.

It also explicitly says, "I will bring them out of the country where they dwell, but they shall not enter the land of Israel." Ezekiel 20:38

The people you are speaking of were dwelling in Babylon. So this purging could not even possibly take place in Babylon.

You also imagine that this speaks of the return from Babylon. But the books of Ezra and Nehemiah make it very plain that the rebels had not been purged from among them at that time. Many of those who returned were rebels. So Ezekiel 20 cannot even possibly refer to the return from Babylon.



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The Boxer said:

Nope! God said,

6 “O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter?” says the Lord. “Look, as the clay is in the potter’s hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel! 7 The instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, to pull down, and to destroy it, 8 if that nation against whom I have spoken turns from its evil, I will repent of the disaster that I thought to bring upon it. 9 And the instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it, 10 if it does evil in My sight so that it does not obey My voice, then I will repent concerning the good with which I said I would benefit it.

Just as God would repent of destroying Israel if they turned from evil, so he would repent of his promises if they did evil. This is how Jesus viewed it. Jesus said God was the landowner and that Israel's leaders were the stewards. The landowner sent messengers but the stewards killed them all. Then the landowner sent his son and the stewards killed him too. The killing of the landowner's son was the last straw. Jesus explicitly and unequivocally said that the kingdom would be TAKEN AWAY from them and GIVEN TO a nation bearing the fruit thereof. That the kingdom was GIVEN TO another nation means that it was TAKEN AWAY from Israel PERMANENTLY.


Modern Israel does NOT descend from ancient Israel so don't even go there.

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