Post-Trib Only Who are the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11?

Berean777 said:

I have seen documentaries of many Christians being burnt alive and their enemies celebrated their deaths. I even thought that the fire that they reign down upon the enemies is tied to their preaching of the gospel. When those who are preached, reject the message, Jesus warns them it would be more tolerable for Sodom than that city.

I initially thought the 3.5 days as being the remaining half of Daniel's 70th week, remembering that Messiah was cutof, meaning crucified in the middle of the 70th week, which would equate to 3.5 days alluding to his 3.5 year ministry and the remaining 3.5 days is given to the symbolic two witnesses who are all those who hold the testimony of Jesus. So I thought that 3.5 remaining days of Daniel's 70th week is tied to the great commission to preach the gospel into the world and to make disciples of the world. This endevour is the role of the church during the new covenant age of time time and half a time. Remembering that the flying heavenly scroll mentioned in Zechariah 5 is the gospel, upon it entering a house carries with it either blessings when accepted or curses when rejected.

When I read this. .....

And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

What are they prophesying?

Would it not be tied to ministering the gospel as part of the great commission prerogative?

Sackcloths is a symbol of mouring. As Jesus said. ....

Very truly I tell you, you will weep and mourn while the world rejoices. You will grieve, but your grief will turn to joy. (John 16:20)

Also what are the two witnesses pouring?

Again I asked him, "What are these two olive branches beside the two gold pipes that pour out golden oil?" (Zechariah 4:12)

What does gold oil represent?

Revelation 3:18
I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.

So it is the golden oil of salvation that the Lod has on offer. Well what does Zechariah have to say about that......

I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps,

So the candlestick is gold and has seven pipes. So what is coming oit of the seven golden pipes?

The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

Again what is coming from the seven candlestick Menorah?

The church is instrumental in the last 2000 years in pouring out that golden oil of salvation which is tied to the great commission to preach the gospel. Sothe Holy Ghost fire reign from heaven they call down is part and parcel of the great commission to make disciples of all the world.
The golden oil in Zechariah 4:12 represents the anointing power of the Holy Spirit over the 2 witnesses. Remember Zechariah 4:6 Gods message to 1 witness. When they anointed a King...like say King David, it was like a pouring of oil. These witnesses will be filled with power of the Holy Spirit, almost dripping, so to speak with the anointing of God. When we talk out about pure gold. We're talkin about gold that's been through a refining process, to melt out impurities. It's like when we go through trial 1 Peter 1:7 our faith is strengthened. However, I think a more direct answer is that the golden oil represents the Holy Spirit. The gold could be a symbol of His refining power.
I don't believe the 7 lampstands are related to Zechariah 4 or revelation 11. Because the bible says they're 2 prophets. Also because there's no mention of olive trees and or branches. In addition, it tells us what they represent right there...7 churches. I mean it's given us the interpretation right there. Again, the 2 witnesses are 2 prophets who lie dead in the streets.

Still not convinced?

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Fusion77 said:

I believe it's the "world as system" as a whole will reject them. However, many will respond to their message. The earth will be under the rule of the anti christ, during this time. They will have insight (as will the church) according to Daniel 12:10...the wise will understand the unveiled prophecies will begin to speak through Gods word. They'll be preaching a message of repentance, and turning to the true Christ, Jesus. They'll be in sack cloth, mourning the sin of the world and this anti christ proclaiming to be god. mourning the sin of the world and system as a whole, and the devastating things happening to Christians throughout the world. The spirit of anti christ has already manifested itself throughout the world. Did you know that abortion is a choice? The killing of an unborn child. When God said to Jeremiah 1:5 He's telling us when life begins. Yet, because we've decided to discard the things of God and live for pleasure these things are now legal. What's different between us (the world system),and the children of Israel? When they had orgies, became pregnant and then sacrificed their babies to molech. We're (world system) are doing the same thing. Did you know homosexual marriage is legal in most countries. Not just that, but if you disagree you're intolerant. We're to that point where good is called evil and evil good. That's what the sack cloth is for. These witnesses will be the 2 most "intolerant people" around. For 3.5 years the world system won't be able to touch them. They'll be leading people to Christ, and the world system will hate it. They'll be proclaiming Gods word as it is, inerrant. When they die the world system will rejoice, thinking they've won. The people of this world system, will be ones whose god is pleasure and other things of this world. They have found earthly treasures more desirable than the tresures of God. Hence their joy to think they can go on and live a life of self serving pleasure.

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Fusion77 said:

I don't know how my


Don't know how my last reply got mixed up in your message.

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2KnowHim said:

Indeed, the Seventh Trumpet did sound, and it was the end.....when Jesus, on the Cross said "It is Finished".
The book of Revelation is..... "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" remember? It was done in Him, and now unfolds within us His body.

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Berean777 said:

I don't understand, please explain, I am confused!

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2KnowHim said:

3.5 is The 3 and 1/2 yrs. of Jesus's ministry on earth. It is also the days He was in the Heart of the earth.

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Berean777 said:

So your a Preterist I gather. Which kind, the full or partial?

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2KnowHim said:

No, I am neither.

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Fusion77 said:

I have a response to the message you sent at 3:09. Somehow it got caught up in your original message. I'm not very tech savvy so I'm not sure what happened.

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Fusion77 said:

Ok, I don't know where the other witness is found in scripture...I can only share what I've been shown.
I don't know the answer #2.
I think it's a literal 3.5 days. I've never considered it as other wise.
Revelation 11:9-10 , its says people will gaze at their dead bodies (2 prophets), not allow them to be buried. Exchange gifts, things of that nature. How could that have applied to the Law, Prophets, Gentile church nation of Isarael etc. etc. it says all the tribes of the all the nations...everyone. Have you been doing that? I know my family hasn't been celebrating the death of the church, law, prophets, nation of Israel etc. we're talking Internet, cnn, Fox News. everyone watching these 2 prophets dead bodies in the street. How have we refused to bury the bodies of the church, Israel, law ,prophets etc..
4 and 5 is 2 witnesses caught up, then 7th (last trumpet sounds) 1 Corinthians 15:52 believers in Christ caught up (dead rise first, then we who are alive and remain). Matthew 24:30-31. So, it's just like it says here. The ones who are left are going to deal with the wrath of God on the earth... The bowl judgements. Everything before that is the wrath of satan upon those who refuse to submit to the earthly rule of the anti christ...mark of the beast, one world religion and system of government. unwilling to submit to the denial of Christ as the Messiah etc.
The Millenial Kingdom is yet to be. We are not yet in the 1000 year reign of Christ now. 2 Corinthians 4:4, certainly isn't speaking of Christ as the God of this world. It speaks of satan. If he is the god of this world, surely the kingdoms of our Lord has not yet become the kingdoms of this world. As soon as we're caught up the kingdoms of the world becomes the kingdoms of our Lord. Of course, we'll wait for the Lord to deal with those who persecuted us on earth, for being faithful to Christ. "For vengeance is Mine" saith the Lord.

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Fusion77 said:

I never could find where the bible teaches Jesus ministry was 3.5 years. I'm not saying it wasn't. I just couldn't find it.

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Berean777 said:

Which post #number was that. Could you help. Thanks.

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2KnowHim said:

Luk 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
Luk 13:6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
Luk 13:7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
Luk 13:8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
Luk 13:9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

David is a type of Christ:
2Sa 5:4 David was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty years.
2Sa 5:5 In Hebron he reigned over Judah seven years and six months: and in Jerusalem he reigned thirty and three years over all Israel and Judah.

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Berean777 said:

When you say that you have been shown, does this mean in a vision, because if it is through a vision, then I am very interested in hearing it because I believe that visions edify the body of Christ.

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Fusion77 said:

No. I've personally never had or seen a vision.

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Fusion77 said:

It started with a vision but not a vision I had. It started with a vision that the pastor that married my wife and I had. He shared it with my mother in law, and she with my wife, my wife with me. Less than a year later the Lord called me out of darkness and delivered me from the life I was living, outside of Him. Since then He has spoken to me through His word in very peculiar ways.
For example : He recently showed me that any message without Darius's name in the timeline is a prophecy for today. I've never heard that before but look... Haggai 1:1-12 we see Darius's name in timeline. We also see an action taken. Haggai 1:12 they people obeyed, and were reverent. Notice also in Haggai 1:1, it states the word of the Lord came by the prophet Haggai TO (indicating it's been received) Zerubbabel and Joshua. so we see something happened. So in the past. Now Haggai Haggai1:13-15 we see the Lord stirred them up and they worked...Darius's name in the time line. We can see an action taken...it was in the past. Haggai 2:10-17 Darius's name in the timeline. We see a dialogue. Haggai asks the priests questions. so we know It's in the past.
Now to our time. Darius's name isn't in the timeline. We will see unfulfilled prophecies, allusions to the Heavenly temple and questions asked, but not answered...not yet at least. Look at Haggai 2:20-23 a prophecy for this day. Zerubbabel is gone and He (the Lord), hasn't yet shaken both the heavens and the earth. Unfulfilled...Darius's name not there. Look at Haggai2:20 it says the word of the Lord came to Haggai but not to Zerubbabel...It just says "speak". The Lord saying, Speak from My word on this day (24th day ninth month, feast of dedication) on the year I have appointed. Look at Haggai 2:18-19 when The Lord says from this day on I will bless you, He means it. From what I've heard and can gather, the nation of Israel wasn't blessed from that day forward. They continued through drought and we can Look at the book of Malachi several years after Haggai, as a point of reference. Malachi 3:9-11.
Finally, Haggai 2:1-9 Darius's name not in the timeline. The mention of the shaking of the Heavens and the earth (hasn't happened). Questions asked but, not answered, yet. Haggai 2:7-9 mentions the Heavenly Temple, not complete, yet. Haggai 2:2 "Speak now" (21st day of the 7th month), indicating a sense of immediacy. On the 8th day of the feast of tabernacles. What year? I don't know. When this message is received there should be a 3rd temple on the Temple Mount, and this right about the final 1260-1290 days.
Look, all I'm saying is wherever Darius's name isn't in the timeline, it's for this day and age.

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Fusion77 said:

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Berean777 said:

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Fusion77 said:

It started with a vision but not a vision I had. It started with a vision that the pastor that married my wife and I had. He shared it with my mother in law, and she with my wife, my wife with me. Less than a year later the Lord called me out of darkness and delivered me from the life I was living, outside of Him. Since then He has spoken to me through His word in very peculiar ways.
For example : He recently showed me that any message without Darius's name in the timeline in the book of Haggai is a prophecy for today. I've never heard that before but look... Haggai 1:1-12 we see Darius's name in timeline. We also see an action taken. Haggai 1:12 they people obeyed, and were reverent. Notice also in Haggai 1:1, it states the word of the Lord came by the prophet Haggai TO (indicating it's been received) Zerubbabel and Joshua. so we see something happened. So in the past. Now Haggai Haggai1:13-15 we see the Lord stirred them up and they worked...Darius's name in the time line. We can see an action taken...it was in the past. Haggai 2:10-17 Darius's name in the timeline. We see a dialogue. Haggai asks the priests questions. so we know It's in the past.
Now to our time. Darius's name isn't in the timeline. We will see unfulfilled prophecies, allusions to the Heavenly temple and questions asked, but not answered...not yet at least. Look at Haggai 2:20-23 a prophecy for this day. Zerubbabel is gone and He (the Lord), hasn't yet shaken both the heavens and the earth. Unfulfilled...Darius's name not there. Look at Haggai2:20 it says the word of the Lord came to Haggai but not to Zerubbabel...It just says "speak". The Lord saying, Speak from My word on this day (24th day ninth month, feast of dedication) on the year I have appointed. Look at Haggai 2:18-19 when The Lord says from this day on I will bless you, He means it. From what I've heard and can gather, the nation of Israel wasn't blessed from that day forward. They continued through drought and we can Look at the book of Malachi several years after Haggai, as a point of reference. Malachi 3:9-11.
Finally, Haggai 2:1-9 Darius's name not in the timeline. The mention of the shaking of the Heavens and the earth (hasn't happened). Questions asked but, not answered, yet. Haggai 2:7-9 mentions the Heavenly Temple, not complete, yet. Haggai 2:2 "Speak now" (21st day of the 7th month), indicating a sense of immediacy. On the 8th day of the feast of tabernacles. What year? I don't know. When this message is received there should be a 3rd temple on the Temple Mount, and this right about the final 1260-1290 days.
Look, all I'm saying is wherever Darius's name isn't in the timeline, it's for this day and age.

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