Man demoted for refusing to wear make-up

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I don't know, if you're selling make-up and refuse to use the product you sell it can't be good for sales.
It would be like me wanting to work as a chef or server in a restaurant that serves meat. I doubt I'd be effective. ..."I haven't tried the steak, in my opinion it's wrong to eat meat, but if you want it...."

on the other hand we do have male doctors who are licensed OB-GYN specialists.....just sayin'.
i think that if the guy can demonstrate that he knows his product and how to apply it,
and the selling points of each product, that should be enough in anyone's book.
 
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Does men wearing makeup as immoral fall into this category of a well documented religious belief? In other words, can one claim a religious beliefs prohibits them from doing something based on their own personal interpretation or does it have to be an accepted teaching of their church?
I also wandered that if one believes that it is wrong for them to wear makeup for a specific reason, such as this man, wouldn't that mean they would believe that it is wrong for them to be involved in putting make up on other men and make money doing it?
Rather like the one who believes it is wrong for them to drink alcohol but they own a liquor store. :scratch:
 
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"They went around the table. They gave us trays of makeup ... I said, 'I'm an ordained minister. I don't wear makeup.' But the instructor said, 'No, everyone needs to experience the makeup. You have to put the makeup on.' "
So he only had to experience using the makeup (Self application) not use it in store, and he could remove it after the training session.
Sounds like he didn't want to be fully trained according to company policy.
Bye.
 
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Exactly. I was wondering the same thing. But by the impression the article gives, it does not appear that way.

I just wonder, was this requirement known (or at least made known) before hand?
I.E. Did he miss the fine print in the employee handbook?
 
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And then we also have the whole issue of should women even use makeup?
If he's going to use the Bible to prevent himself from using it, why would he then turnaround and support something (Makeup itself) that could go against the bible anyways?

Jeremiah 4:30 And you, O desolate one, what do you mean that you dress in scarlet, that you adorn yourself with ornaments of gold, that you enlarge your eyes with paint? In vain you beautify yourself. Your lovers despise you; they seek your life.

1 Timothy 2:9 Likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire,

1 Peter 3:1-22 Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

2 Kings 9:30 When Jehu came to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it. And she painted her eyes and adorned her head and looked out of the window.

Revelation 2:20 But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols.
 
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I should not of commented last night so my apologies. I was tired and upset. I reread the article again today and this just appears that this was in training which I missed last night. For some reason I read it as he was supposed to wear the make up in public while working. It simply appears that he did not finish his training with the other trainees. If he did not finish the training then I do not see that he has much of a leg to stand on. I'll be interested to see how this turns out though.
 
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And then we also have the whole issue of should women even use makeup?
If he's going to use the Bible to prevent himself from using it, why would he then turnaround and support something (Makeup itself) that could go against the bible anyways?

Jeremiah 4:30 And you, O desolate one, what do you mean that you dress in scarlet, that you adorn yourself with ornaments of gold, that you enlarge your eyes with paint? In vain you beautify yourself. Your lovers despise you; they seek your life.

1 Timothy 2:9 Likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire,

1 Peter 3:1-22 Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

2 Kings 9:30 When Jehu came to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it. And she painted her eyes and adorned her head and looked out of the window.

Revelation 2:20 But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols.
I think you have to look at the predominate Christian teaching on this subject, not his individual interpretation. If the law supports any and all interpretations and beliefs the law is not a good one. It can be used by anyone at anytime against their employer to make money through lawsuits.
But if I were the company's attorney I would simply point out the hypocrisy of making a living by sinful means while saying you are not the one sinning.
That's rather like the single guy that has an affair with a married woman and claims she is sinning but he isn't. :scratch:
 
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Sorry for coming off like such a jerk last night Mountain Girl.
There are many pharmacists that don't use birth control. As long as they don't have a religious objection to it, it doesn't affect their job. But if they think it's immoral and don't want to sell it, then they might need to find a different job if their current one expects them to.

Like I've stated multiple times. ..if he doesn't care to wear it, fine, but then he has no grounds for religious discrimination. He's just a guy who doesn't like part of the job duties.

If. however, he thinks it's wrong for men to wear make-up because of his religious beliefs, then that could affect his ability to be a good salesman to part of the customer base. I'll ask again. ..is he comfortable selling make up and applying it to male customers? That's the heart of the question.

How can this be considered not discussing the OP? Is the only acceptable discussion nodding in agreement?
 
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One last question before I'll leave this to a one sided discussion that seems to be prefered.
When you make comparisons to cases like wearing a head covering or not wanting to sell birth control, there's one other potential difference. It's pretty well understood that certain religions require a head cover, and others see birth control as immoral.

Does men wearing makeup as immoral fall into this category of a well documented religious belief? In other words, can one claim a religious beliefs prohibits them from doing something based on their own personal interpretation or does it have to be an accepted teaching of their church?

It is this kind of suit that hurts those who have true religious issues at work.
 
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