After Planned Parenthood Attack, No Calls to Close Churches or Register Evangelicals

My Shalom said:

So you don't have an answer as to how God has blessed you today?

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Because it is none of your business. If you don't want to discuss the topic, please move along.

Armoured said:

So... given that there are any number of serious Muslim scholars who say similar things about the Koran, i.e. it doesn't command violence, but it could be spun that way, why not believe them?

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I agree that either the Old Testament or Koran can be spun that way. But not the New Testament.
The issue is not the Book but the Authors of the books. Jesus peace. Mohammad war.

Black Dog said:

Considering American forces are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children in Iraq, and the American forces leadership was fundamental Christian, and the armed forces were majority Christian, I would say Christian "terrorists" have done far more killing than Muslim "terrorists".

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You're joking right. Our secular armed forces go to war in the name of Jesus? I can't stop laughing.

Black Dog said:

LOL, I accept your surrender.

If you get the courage, which of these simple premises do you disagree with:

That GWBush isn't a fundamental Christian?
That the majority of the American armed forces is Christian?
That the USA invaded Iraq?
That the invasion was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children?

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I disagree with the idea that the majority of the American armed forces are Christ followers/Christians. Many of those who signed up at the beginning thought they were going after the perpetrators of 9/11. Remember the interviews with new recruits and their parents being on, I believe it was, CNN? Heck even gang bangers were signing up later.
Oh yeah, WMDs, funny that they didn't let the UN inspectors finish their job before declaring war. Why was that?

If you think that any of that was even remotely connected to Christianity and Jesus' example or teachings you are sadly mistaken or deliberately making things up.
Yes the US invaded Iraq but not in order to force people to accept Christianity or to spread Christianity. In fact, I believe it was based on pure greed, control of the oil markets. Iraq was making contracts with France and Germany to build oil refineries in Iraq.
I don't believe that GW was ever really in charge. Take a look at Cheney and Halliburton.

redleghunter said:

You stated you are no longer Christian. You gave the reason for such because you read the Bible.

Why does someone claiming apostasy like to hang out at a Christian forum. I'm truly curious.

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I find it very entertaining, observing human behavior.

And yes, a thorough examination of the NT is one of the reasons, but not for the assumption you made.

Armoured said:

I don't know anything about baseball. I'm Australian.

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I know a lot about baseball and you got it right.

Both teams have major league baseball players, both teams play in the major leagues and in fact right now, the Mets are a better team than the Yankees.

dogs4thewin said:

No, you can destory a town and not put the PEOPLE in the fire.

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"The one who has stolen what was set apart for destruction will himself be burned with fire, along with everything he has, for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has done a horrible thing in Israel." (Joshua 7:15 NLT)

At the LORD's command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice. Then at the LORD's command, he shouted, "O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you." (1 Kings 13:1-2 NLT)

He executed the priests of the pagan shrines on their own altars, and he burned human bones on the altars to desecrate them. Finally, he returned to Jerusalem. King Josiah then issued this order to all the people: "You must celebrate the Passover to the LORD your God, as it is written in the Book of the Covenant." There had not been a Passover celebration like that since the time when the judges ruled in Israel, throughout all the years of the kings of Israel and Judah. This Passover was celebrated to the LORD in Jerusalem during the eighteenth year of King Josiah's reign. Josiah also exterminated the mediums and psychics, the household gods, and every other kind of idol worship, both in Jerusalem and throughout the land of Judah. He did this in obedience to all the laws written in the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the LORD's Temple. Never before had there been a king like Josiah, who turned to the LORD with all his heart and soul and strength, obeying all the laws of Moses. And there has never been a king like him since. (2 Kings 23:20-25 NLT)

Leviticus 27:28-29 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
28 ‘Nevertheless, anything which a man sets apart to the Lord out of all that he has, of man or animal or of the fields of his own property, shall not be sold or redeemed. Anything devoted to destruction is most holy to the Lord. 29 No one who may have been set apart among men shall be ransomed; he shall surely be put to death.

redleghunter said:

Nuclear weapons are just terrible. One hopes they will never be used again.

I understand Truman's reasoning. Tough decision.

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I cannot wrap my head around this no matter how I try. There had to have been a better way to demonstrate what those bombs could do. I especially don't understand the second bomb so closely following the first.

Belk said:

How could you possibly know this to be the case?

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Because public prophecy closed with the coming of Jesus.

redleghunter said:

Well that would mean so do atheists and other non Christians. But his premise was false.

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Are Christians incapable of shooting people?

Tallguy88 said:

Because public prophecy closed with the coming of Jesus.

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Says who? Do you believe the book of Revelations?

NotreDame said:

Yes, Trump made those remarks but in the form of a conditional. If mosques are identified as doing bad things, then they will absolutely have to be closed. (If X, then Y.)So it is possible no mosques would be closed according to Trump.

I'd need more information as to what constitutes as bad things" to begin contemplating Armoured's alleged "double standard."

What I can say is at this moment, Armoured's alleged "double standard" is baseless and contingent upon two scenarios being parallel but they are not analogous.

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How much further backwards will you bend to excuse and defend Fascism? Drop the weak excuses and flimsy justifications and just say what you mean.

Hank77 said:

You're joking right. Our secular armed forces go to war in the name of Jesus? I can't stop laughing.

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According to many Christians, our society is based on Christian values.

As well, the man who ultimately declared war is a fundamental Christian, and said that God told him to invade. I would say the boundary between religion and state got awfully blurry in this case.

My Shalom said:

I asked in the spirit of Christ. That you are hostile is an answer in itself.

I will hold you and your hostile nature in prayer that Christ relieve you of such pain. I understand now why you seek to deliver that unto others. Because the burden is apparently overmuch to bear.

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Get on topic and stop harassing your fellow posters with your pretend piousness.

redleghunter said:

I think you only read what you wanted to read.

The underlying premise is the following:

The Quran encourages, and even commands killing infidels.

The Teachings of Christ does not.

A Christian extremist is defined in the life of Mother Theresa. She loved the poor and sick and decided it was better to feed them and clothe them then encourage them to strap on explosives in the name of Allah.

That pretty much sums up the thread thus far.

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So, Christians good, non-Christians bad. Got it.

However, if Mother Theresa is the example of a Christian Extremist, what would we call the KKK, Christian Identity Ministries, Neo Nazis, the Army of Christ, Timothy McVeigh and his camp, the IRA, and so on and so forth?

And surely we agree that a casual reader of the Bible is commanded to kill homosexuals and disobedient children?

Black Dog said:

According to many Christians, our society is based on Christian values.

As well, the man who ultimately declared war is a fundamental Christian, and said that God told him to invade. I would say the boundary between religion and state got awfully blurry in this case.

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• The first amendment protects freedom of religion. The first commandment says you shall have no other gods.
• Abortion is legal.
• Same sex marriage is legal.
• Adultery is legal.
• Christ preached a message of giving charitably. We live in a capitalist society driven by taking profits.
• The monotheists had monarchies. The polytheists had republics and democracies.

Do you want to re-think the "Christian values" our society is based on? We're a secular society.

morningstar2651 said:

How much further backwards will you bend to excuse and defend Fascism? Drop the weak excuses and flimsy justifications and just say what you mean.

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I did say what I meant. Furthermore, I didn't offer any "backwards...excuse" or "defend Fascism" Trump never stated he would close mosques and neither did Trump advocate any mosques be closed.

Quite simply, if you construed Trumps comment as calling for the closure of a mosque or mosques, then you misunderstood what exactly he said. Stop misconstruing Trump's remarks for the purpose of substantiating your assertion. The fact is, you made a baseless assertion and at this very moment is still a baseless assertion.

Come man, argue the facts, not what you want the facts to be, or adjust your erroneous claims to conform to the facts. Or are we just to play along in your tale of fiction?

NotreDame said:

I did say what I meant. Furthermore, I didn't offer any "backwards...excuse" or "defend Fascism" Trump never stated he would close mosques and neither did Trump advocate any mosques be closed.

Quite simply, if you construed Trumps comment as calling for the closure of a mosque or mosques, then you misunderstood what exactly he said. Stop misconstruing Trump's remarks for the purpose of substantiating your assertion. The fact is, you made a baseless assertion and at this very moment is still a baseless assertion.

Come man, argue the facts, not what you want the facts to be, or adjust your erroneous claims to conform to the facts. Or are we just to play along in your tale of fiction?

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You would continue to defend him even if he suggested we set up concentration camps.

Oh wait, another politician already made that suggestion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...make-case-for-halting-syrian-refugees-really/

TLK Valentine said:

You're saying the Bible doesn't punish homosexuality with death?

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Under Moses' Law a man who was sexually involved with his father's wife would be put to death. Old Covenant.

In the New Testament a man guilty of the same thing is kicked out of the assembly until he repents (changes his life style). Then he is allowed to return to the assembly and Paul says to forgive him and not to be harsh with him so that he is not overly sorrowful. New Covenant rules.
So no the New Covenant does not call for killing the homosexual or anyone else.

jameswright3 said:

The OP is a canard it itself. 1. There is no indication this guy was a Christian. He could easily be a Muslim. Buddhist, or Atheist. And even if you get past that, no one has been calling for Mosques to be closed down and Muslims registered.

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Donald Trump's Plan for a Muslim Database Draws Comparison to Nazi Germany
NEWTON, Iowa — Donald Trump "would certainly implement" a database system tracking Muslims in the United States, the Republican front-runner told NBC News on Thursday night.

"I would certainly implement that. Absolutely," Trump said in Newton, Iowa, in between campaign town halls.

"There should be a lot of systems, beyond databases," he added. "We should have a lot of systems."

When asked whether Muslims would be legally obligated to sign into the database, Trump responded, "They have to be — they have to be."


Cruz rejects Trump's support for Muslim registries
SIOUX CITY, Iowa — Ted Cruz on Friday disavowed Donald Trump's support for requiring American Muslims register as such, a rare public break with the current GOP frontrunner.

"I'm a big fan of Donald Trump's but I'm not a fan of government registries of American citizens," he told reporters of a plan Trump said he backed a day earlier. "The First Amendment protects religious liberty, I've spent the past several decades defending religious liberty."

Donald Trump Says He Would Consider Closing Down Some US Mosques
Donald Trump says his strategy for fighting ISIS might include closing some mosques within the United States.

In an interview on Fox Business, host Stuart Varney asked Trump whether, if elected president, he would follow the anti-ISIS lead of the British government, which has revoked the passports of people who traveled to fight alongside extremists, and has planned to close mosques that are "used to host extremist meetings or speakers."

"I would do that, absolutely, I think it's great," Trump responded. Varney pressed Trump on whether he even could close a mosque, citing religious freedom as a possible roadblock.

"Well I don't know," Trump conceded. "I mean, I haven't heard about the closing of the mosque. It depends, if the mosque is, you know, loaded for bear, I don't know. You're going to have to certainly look at it."