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So Paul was wrong?

No Paul wasn't wrong at all you misunderstood read Galatians again go back and read it. Paul is basically telling peter stop being a hypocrite! Don't go around eating like Gentiles and fellowshiping with them being a Jew and want the Gentiles to live after the manner of the Jews.he was not walking according to the gospel given to them and was causing confusion.
 
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No Paul wasn't wrong at all you misunderstood read Galatians again go back and read it. Paul is basically telling peter stop being a hypocrite! Don't go around eating like Gentiles and fellowshiping with them being a Jew and want the Gentiles to live after the manner of the Jews.he was not walking according to the gospel given to them and was causing confusion.
What about Peter's Vision in Acts 10?
 
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A Hebrew Catholic (backed by Rome) is a Jew who is a Catholic who ALSO keeps their Jewish identity by observing Jewish laws and traditions. It could be as little as lighting Shabbat candles and keeping a Mezuzah on their door, or as much as full Orthodox observance.
Please see:
http://www.hebrewcatholic.net/
http://www.catholicsforisrael.com/
Curious if u know anything about Constantine n what he did to th Jewish calendar, sabbath n feast days? Etc etc etc....
 
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What about Paul's Vision in Acts 10?


You mean peters vision,
What about it besides it showed that God wanted peter to know that he had made the door for the Gentiles to open so that which was unclean to a Jew to keep company or eat as or with a gentile as said the law, God no longer condemns but had both accept Jew and Gentile through faith in Jesus his Son.
 
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First off, Judah was the Southern Kingdom.

But in this case, I was not referring to either of the two kingdoms when Israel was divided. I was referring to B'nei Yisrael, the "Children of Israel" or "People of Israel."
Judah n Benjamin tribe combined n the supposed 10 "lost" tribes were exspelled from the land as Yahweh promised if they worshiped other gods... Look into Steve Collins on the history of the 10 tribes.... The history left out n never told!
 
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You mean peters vision,
What about it besides it showed that God wanted peter to know that he had made the door for the Gentiles to open so that which was unclean to a Jew to keep company or eat as or with a gentile as said the law, God no longer condemns but had both accept Jew and Gentile through faith in Jesus his Son.
So it really doesn't matter if you eat pork right? God has made it clean...right?
 
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So it really doesn't matter if you eat pork right? God has made it clean...right?

As simple as I can say it Yes!
And brother i know you believe Gods truth if he could make men clean who was unclean (Gentiles us)as said the law why is it impossible for us to believe that eating pork or not is not a sin.
 
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As simple as I can say it Yes!
And brother i know you believe Gods truth if he could make men clean who was unclean (Gentiles us)as said the law why is it impossible for us to believe that eating pork or not is not a sin.
Exactly. I just couldn't understand why some feel that pork and shrimp are a sin when it can't get much clearer in acts, mark, and romans.
 
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Paul wants the Romans not to judge each other on such things such as meats herbs days for he that eat or not eat do it unto The Lord for we live not unto ourselves but unto God. And if I fall as Gods servant not man God is able to make me to stand. thefore judge not nor make your brother to stumble if he abstains from meat or not for God hath receive the herbevour and the one who eateth the meat and veges.
 
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mark 7:15-20


The Pharisee condemn Jesus and his disciple for eating with unwashed hands, but Jesus made them to understand that a man is not defiled by what goes in a man but what comes out for it comes out from the heart sin! So in other words you were not a sinner or spiritually defiled as the Pharisee were implying just by eating with unwashed hand or cups and bowls the Pharisee were really extreme back then just as many morden day Pharisees appear to be now. So the context of this script wasn't at all talking about unclean and clean meats but rather unclean hands and pots and bowls etc. wen eating.
 
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The Pharisee condemn Jesus and his disciple for eating with unwashed hands, but Jesus made them to understand that a man is not defiled by what goes in a man but what comes out for it comes out from the heart sin! So in other words you were not a sinner or spiritually defiled as the Pharisee were implying just by eating with unwashed hand or cups and bowls the Pharisee were really extreme back then just as many morden day Pharisees appear to be now. So the context of this script wasn't at all talking about unclean and clean meats but rather unclean hands and pots and bowls etc. wen eating.
The point of the scripture was not about food or pots and plates, or even unwashed hands. The scripture describes what is more important to God. It is the condition of your heart and the nature of our heart that we are judged by. It does not make sense if someone follows the laws and never ate pork but speaks hate and lies.
 
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The point of the scripture was not about food or pots and plates, or even unwashed hands. The scripture describes what is more important to God. It is the condition of your heart and the nature of our heart that we are judged by. It does not make sense if someone follows the laws and never ate pork but speaks hate and lies.


I won't argue with you sir you made a valid point about it being the condition in which Christ was pointing out to the Pharisees which I also stated as well, I was only highlighting details in which the Pharisees were making it an issue and condemning Jesus and his disciples with the unwashed hands and stuff coz it was a tradition or commandment of them to do so back then.
 
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I won't argue with you sir you made a valid point about it being the condition in which Christ was pointing out to the Pharisees which I also stated as well, I was only highlighting details in which the Pharisees were making it an issue and condemning Jesus and his disciples with the unwashed hands and stuff coz it was a tradition or commandment of them to do so back then.

*Condition of the heart
 
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Exactly. I just couldn't understand why some feel that pork and shrimp are a sin when it can't get much clearer in acts, mark, and romans.


Shrimp have fins and large scales.

Lev_11:9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.

Lev_11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

Lev_11:12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Deu_14:9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:

Deu_14:10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.


scales


7193

07193 qasqeseth {kas-keh'-seth}

by reduplication from an unused root meaning to shale off as
bark
; TWOT - 2082a; n f

AV - scale 7, mail 1; 8

1) scale (of fish, water animals)



Note that not only fish may have scales. We have to remove the traditional blinders concerning only fish being what is clean in the waters because God didn't limit clean food in the waters to only fish. God did not give scales and fins only to fish!




OT:7193
qasqeseth (kas-keh'-seth); by reduplication from an unused root meaning to shale off as bark; a scale (of a fish); hence a coat of mail (as composed of or covered with jointed plates of metal):


KJV - mail, scale.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)


Strong goes into more detail comparing scales to a coat of mail which is metal plates bound together to make an outer (exoskeleton) layer of protection.



A fish's scales are an outer or exo protection albeit not as strong as the outer scales of a Prawn or shrimp but the function is the same.


A scale is something covering the animal that "flakes" off in pieces as bark does a tree when agitated or intentionally disturbed, also similar to a "coat of mail" with overlapping pieces of metal that act like scales. That describes the scales of a shrimp perfectly. Bark is the "exoskeleton" of a tree! It is essentially a solid mass of bark but when you break the bark off the tree it comes off in pieces of varying sizes. Scales of fish and shrimp like creatures are also bound together in a solid outer piece helping to protect the animal but these individual scales can also be removed and broken off. Fish tend to have more of smaller scales and the shrimp variety have less of larger scales.

The scales of water animals do not "look" exactly like bark or like chain mail per se' but they have similar functions which is a light "armor" of protection made up of a bunch of smaller items. Bark comes off in pieces and that is why it was used in comparison. Chain mail is small pieces of steel that are put together to form a light exo-armor. Both of these are similar to what scales are for. The scales of fish are very similar to the scales on the exterior of shrimp only differing in size and strength.



Based on that I submit that Prawns and Shrimp etc are clean foods because they do have scales (large thick ones) and they do have fins. I have cleaned enough of them to know.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NCI_steamed_shrimp.jpg


You can see the fins in the tail in this picture.



Here you can see the tail fins as well.


Leviticus 11:9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.


There is a very good reason why this verse says "whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters" are clean to eat rather than "only fish that hath fins and scales in the waters" are clean to eat. It's simply that there are other creatures in the waters that are clean to eat besides certain fish. Fish aren't the only things we can eat from the water!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_cave_shrimp



"Characteristics that tell the Alabama cave shrimp from the Kentucky cave shrimp are that it usually lacks abdominal scales, with fewer scales on the back."



All shrimp have scales on their bodies. Some have more and some have less but scales and tail fins are common to all forms of shrimp and prawn.



And, while all fish have fins not all have scales. Therefore some fish are clean and some are unclean, and some non fish are clean such as shrimp while many non fish are unclean such as clams.
 
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To be honest I can go tic for tac.... Scripture per scripture.... U can back up your belief in scripture all day long n so can I, however; context means everything n all the laws are life not death... I take your pretense as was holy to only make it more holy or better yet is to once sanctify n made uncommon to sanctify every thing n everything is just common.... Yahweh never changes his creed.

You made the accusation that the scripture I posted was out of context. This is now the second time I have asked for you to show me how they are out-of-context. Since you continue to talk about this, that and the other and not back up your accusation I can only conclude that it was a false accusation.

Most Christians do not even know the feast days n what was fulfilled n what is to come n the rehearsals are Yahweh's not the Jews....

However know pagan holidays..., Christmas n Easter etc

Nonsense! Please show me where any gentile Christian in the gentile cities to whom the epistles were addressed e.g. Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Philippi, Thessolonika, etc, were ever commanded to keep the feast days, etc. As for so-called pagan holidays more blasphemous nonsense. Christmas commemorates the birth of Jesus. The day commonly called Easter which, because of all the rubbish maliciously attached to it, I prefer to call resurrection Sunday commemorates the resurrection of Jesus. Neither one corresponds to any ancient pagan observance in any era. If you wish to contest this please feel free to provide credible, verifiable, historical evidence to support your assertion. Copy/pastes from anonymous blogs does not constitute evidence.
 
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Christmas commemorates the birth of Jesus.


It does, yet he was not born in Decemeber, as well some pagan gods were said to be born on Dec 25th, so it's littered with pagan things.

The day commonly called Easter which, because of all the rubbish maliciously attached to it, I prefer to call resurrection Sunday commemorates the resurrection of Jesus. Neither one corresponds to any ancient pagan observance in any era. If you wish to contest this please feel free to provide credible, verifiable, historical evidence to support your assertion. Copy/pastes from anonymous blogs does not constitute evidence.

Just google it. Easter is related to the goddess Ishtar a fertility god. The festivals used rabbits and eggs to symbolize fertility etc. The true holiday is Passover, Pasha in the Greek but someone intentionally mistranslated it into Easter to further pervert the holiday. It is not even kept on the true Passover anymore but on the day Ishtars/Eaters fertility celebrations occurred. Christians unwittingly do observe many pagan holidays.
 
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It does, yet he was not born in Decemeber, as well some pagan gods were said to be born on Dec 25th, so it's littered with pagan things.



Just google it. Easter is related to the goddess Ishtar a fertility god. The festivals used rabbits and eggs to symbolize fertility etc. The true holiday is Passover, Pasha in the Greek but someone intentionally mistranslated it into Easter to further pervert the holiday. It is not even kept on the true Passover anymore but on the day Ishtars/Eaters fertility celebrations occurred. Christians unwittingly do observe many pagan holidays.
Ppl will not Google it n I gave them some videos.... Ppl like living under or with lies bc there is no accountability to a lie... They can u tube truth or traditions but they like where they are at.... If one doesn't understand where content begins where should I begin teaching them my perspective?
 
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It does, yet he was not born in Decemeber, as well some pagan gods were said to be born on Dec 25th, so it's littered with pagan things.

I asked for credible, verifiable, historical evidence, what I'm getting is the same old rubbish found on any atheist, agnostic website. To the best of my knowledge there was no pagan god born on Dec 25. And oh by the way you left out the claim that Christmas was borrowed from Saturnalia which also was not on Dec 25. There are a lot of things which secular society has attached to Christmas, Christmas trees, wreaths, yule logs, etc. But the fact that secular society has corrupted Christmas does not mean when the church commemorates the birth of Jesus that there is anything pagan about it. Christians and the church are not responsible for what secular society does with Christmas or any other church observance.


Just google it. Easter is related to the goddess Ishtar a fertility god. The festivals used rabbits and eggs to symbolize fertility etc. The true holiday is Passover, Pasha in the Greek but someone intentionally mistranslated it into Easter to further pervert the holiday. It is not even kept on the true passover anymore but on the day Ishtars/Eaters fertility celebrations occurred. Christians unwittingly do observe many pagan holidays.

More of same! I said credible, verifiable, historical not some nonsense which pops up on google. That is nonsense about "Ishtars/Eaters[sic] fertility celebrations." I am not aware of any such celebrations. Jesus rose the day after Passover, our resurrection commemoration is about the time of Passover When the church commemorates the resurrection of Jesus there is absolutely nothing associated with Ishtar about it. As with Christmas, Christians and the church are not responsible for how secular society has corrupted the commemoration of Jesus' resurrection.

I have been a Christian since Johnson was president and I have never seen rabbits, eggs, etc. associated with the Christians commemoration of the resurrection of Jesus. Ask a 100 people who Ishtar was and I doubt more 5-6 have even heard of her. What Ishtar might have meant to some pagan society 100s of years ago has absolutely nothing to do with the resurrection of Jesus. Here is an example that might help. What does the word truck mean? I doubt if any English speaker would not think of a large wheeled vehicle for carrying heavy loads. But in the early years of this country truck meant vegetables. To say that Ishtar and Easter are related is the "Illegitimate Totality Transfer" fallacy which "assumes that all the uses that occur at a given time apply in any given instance;" Today truck does not mean vegetables and Ishtar has nothing to do with the commemoration of the birth of Jesus.

 
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