Background:
I am struggling with the modern idea and use of the term 'Church', as used by Church leaders, especially in the way they tend to control perceptions about who people are before God and each other, and how people may see themselves as individuals and together.
Tension for me arises out of the claim that ... a small group gathering, especially one sponsored or organised by a local church (such as a mid-week home group or Bible study), IS NOT to be considered 'a/the church/ekklesia' in that place at that time but must defer to the local Church and it organisational identity.
For discussion, I refer to this group as proponents of the anti-ekklesia model.
My present view:
It is self-evident that any such group, big or small, is inherently, by the fact of its existence, the/a gathering of the ekklesia. Maybe I am wrong.
Definition:
ekklesia, I mean 'church' according to Jesus' understanding, as referenced in Mat 16:18: And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my ekklesia, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
I am interested, therefore, in ANY discussion on this topic whether well thought thru or not, as that can be helpful to developing the idea. So no need to think you have to have it all sorted in your mind. Yet, the more Biblical informed your ideas, in my view, the more beneficial.
Hope we can keep it fun and encouraging and not disparaging of alternatively-held views. It will also be good to discover and consider objections to my view as well as supporting opinions.
So I ask ....
WHAT is the justification to support any claim that a group of Christians meeting together, formally or informally, other than in a purposefully organised and directed 'local church meeting', is ABLE to be, or NOT to be understood as being a gathering of a/the ekklesia, with the inherent identity and functional responsibility of ekklesia?
Furthermore, what agenda (stated or otherwise) could be behind the 'anti-ekklesia' proponent's desire to limit understanding to the formally recognised local church community?
Thank you so very much for your discussion,
Peter Johnson
Newcastle, Australia.
I am struggling with the modern idea and use of the term 'Church', as used by Church leaders, especially in the way they tend to control perceptions about who people are before God and each other, and how people may see themselves as individuals and together.
Tension for me arises out of the claim that ... a small group gathering, especially one sponsored or organised by a local church (such as a mid-week home group or Bible study), IS NOT to be considered 'a/the church/ekklesia' in that place at that time but must defer to the local Church and it organisational identity.
For discussion, I refer to this group as proponents of the anti-ekklesia model.
My present view:
It is self-evident that any such group, big or small, is inherently, by the fact of its existence, the/a gathering of the ekklesia. Maybe I am wrong.
Definition:
ekklesia, I mean 'church' according to Jesus' understanding, as referenced in Mat 16:18: And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my ekklesia, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
I am interested, therefore, in ANY discussion on this topic whether well thought thru or not, as that can be helpful to developing the idea. So no need to think you have to have it all sorted in your mind. Yet, the more Biblical informed your ideas, in my view, the more beneficial.
Hope we can keep it fun and encouraging and not disparaging of alternatively-held views. It will also be good to discover and consider objections to my view as well as supporting opinions.
So I ask ....
WHAT is the justification to support any claim that a group of Christians meeting together, formally or informally, other than in a purposefully organised and directed 'local church meeting', is ABLE to be, or NOT to be understood as being a gathering of a/the ekklesia, with the inherent identity and functional responsibility of ekklesia?
Furthermore, what agenda (stated or otherwise) could be behind the 'anti-ekklesia' proponent's desire to limit understanding to the formally recognised local church community?
Thank you so very much for your discussion,
Peter Johnson
Newcastle, Australia.