When were the pyramids built? More importantly, how did the pyramids not get washed away or eroded into nothingness during the deluge?
Upvote
0
Chimp and human species look nothing alike
- Thread starter dad
- Start date
JonFromMinnesota
Well-Known Member
Why did you link it then? My claims have supporting evidence. Yours do not.
I don't think you understand the definition of CD.
It's holding inconsistent beliefs. You know....rejecting something, even if the evidence suggests that you're wrong. Kind of like what you're doing.
An example would be someone who continues to smoke cigarettes even though it's been demonstrated to be harmful to your health.
Dementia is a serious mental disorder. For you to suggest that following evidence to it's logical conclusion in regards to the age of the earth = dementia, it is not only insulting but very, very wrong.
How is it using it against me? You provided links that demonstrated that your timeline is incorrect. If anything, it was using it against yourself to show you that you're wrong. Cognitive dissonance my friend.... you have it.
As science makes more and more discoveries, our knowledge expands. It's not lying, it's obtaining a better explanation for what we know. If you're not willing to change your understanding of the world around you based on the evidence, that makes you a dishonest person.
I'll give you a personal example:
I once took a puck off my skate when playing hockey. I went in and got Xrays. The doctor said that it was a bone bruise. After the swelling went down, I asked to get another Xray because it was extremely painful. With the swelling down the Xray revealed a broken bone. Should this doctor go with his original diagnosis of a bone bruise or treat me for a break?
What does this even mean?
Evolution explains the diversity of life on earth. You are contradicting yourself. First you say evolution is a God given trait, indicating that you accept the theory of evolution (Theist evolution) but then you go on to say when it's credited for the diversity of life on earth it's, rejecting God. You have demonstrated you have NO IDEA what you're talking about.
Or doing important research since biology is really important in today's world.
What does this even mean? Please try to make more sense. You seem very agitated in this post. Could you please try to calm down a little bit.
Upvote
0
JonFromMinnesota
Well-Known Member
Upvote
0
Barry Desborough
Person
There are many similarities and differences between chimps and humans - as you would expect if evolution were to be true, and they had recent common ancestors.
Upvote
0
The ratios are interpreted as peaks on a mass spectrometer which gives you the atomic weight and amount. Decay has nothing to do with measuring ratios.
Do you accept the scientific method? Or is that something else your religious beliefs will not allow?
You tell us. I have explained it several times, yet you still refuse to understand it.
Will a 50:50 ratio of K/Ar produce the same date as a 99:1 ratio of K/Ar?
What pattern would they be in, and why? If the K/Ar ratio was 50:50, what would the U/Pb ratio be, and why?
Upvote
0
There are many similarities and differences between chimps and humans - as you would expect if evolution were not true,and a common creator was responsible. There are similarities between many creatures and man.
Upvote
0
Your claims are ridiculous religion. Your claims are all based on a past nature and laws you cannot prove. Why did I link sites that show that they toss millions of years around? To show what absolute rubbish they spout.
Kidding one self.
Do not even use the word evidence. You have shown you are hopelessly confused as to where evidence starts and your strong unsupported beliefs end.
Not as serious as believing in the fables of so called science. Deathly lies keep folks away from God. Mere head troubles do not.
False. My citing ignorant so called science claims shows that they are even internally discordant. Citing the foolish fables could never show God's time line was wrong.
Don't hold your breath they can NEVER EVER come to a knowledge of the truth, and I already have.
Calling godless and baseless dreams a better explanation is doing violence to the language. Doublespeak.
It means you need to get off the same state past belief parade, stop waving away the truth of the matter here...that you have nothing at all but a belief system that is foisted onto evidences...and get real.
Evolution after creation week that happened fast in the former nature explains life on earth. Get in line.
No. All evolving happened after creation week, and most of it in the former nature. Evolving is a part of creation, it did not create life.
Stop pretending you know something that you can't post.
It means God told us how creation came down and we need no 'christian' to tell us. Their job is to believe it.
Upvote
0
Then why do you need ratios?! What do you think they went to all the trouble of getting them for? So they could impose the same state past belief on them! To interpret the ratios as time, because they claim decay over time caused them.
I accept that method in it's little place and balanced with other methods. It's place is the present state. Other methods include God's word.
Get over the ration thing. Ratios have no meaning regarding time beyond any time when this present state did not exist. Period.
Why fry your little brain worrying about how things might be? How about look at how they are?! They look fine to me, thank you very much. God made things a certain way. Do not just look at how things now work (decay) and assume all things got here that way. Simple.
Upvote
0
JonFromMinnesota
Well-Known Member
There's nothing to suggest the laws of nature were different than what they are today. You're claiming they are. Demonstrate this with evidence. Just saying it doesn't make it true. You are not immune to criticism when you make claims like that. Demonstrate it with evidence. Otherwise you're just special pleading.
Define in your own words what evidence would look like that would make you change your world view. I don't think you understand what evidence is. I'd be interested in what you think it is.
Science is based on evidence. Can you demonstrate your claims to be true using the scientific method?
You did not demonstrate how the ages presented in the articles you cited are incorrect. Would you like to attempt to do so now? Just saying it is incorrect, doesn't make you right. You must demonstrate this with evidence. Which you have failed to so. When you're ready to stop arguing your claim ad-nauseam and are ready to present evidence to support your claim, i'm all ears.
Those who claim to know everything, usually know nothing. Demonstrate your claims with evidence.
Claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The burden of proof is on you.
Once again, science is not a belief system. It is based on evidence. Yours is not. It is now documented that you've been explained that science is not a belief system. Next time you try to claim science is a belief system, I will reference this post to demonstrate that you are deliberately lying.
Prove it. Show us your evidence.
Describe what you think "evolving" means. Also Evolution does not explain how life began. You demonstrated again, you don't know what you're talking about. Before we continue, i'd like you to demonstrate that you know what evolution by natural selection is.
Your job is to provide evidence for this claim. I have no reason to believe any of it to be true until you demonstrate it is with evidence. "It's true because scripture says it's true" is circular reasoning and a logical fallacy. If you cannot understand this very simple concept, then there is no reason to continue this discussion.
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
Why do you say that? The construction of the pyramids occurred prior to the flood.
And how could pyramids be built on a sandy desert after the floodwaters would have certainly swept all of the sand into the abyss of the oceans?
Upvote
0
There's nothing to suggest the laws of nature were the same as what they are today. You're claiming they are. Demonstrate this with evidence. Just saying it doesn't make it true. You are not immune to criticism when you make claims like that. Demonstrate it with evidence. Otherwise you're just special pleading. Get it pal??
Define to us what evidence would look like that clearly shows that the nuclear forces and others were exactly the same in the far past? If you have something get to it. Would not science need something to build ALL claims of the past and origin of life on it??
Great so have you evidence for a same state past?
Let's see it quit the quacking.
God never used man's methods to tell us about how it was actually created. They do not apply to the far past.
Focus. That was not the point...the point was that they are a ridiculous discordant ever changing mess internally.
The so called dates are ALL belief in a same state past based, so are utterly worthless.
Then prove your invisible unevidenced and claimed same state past. Hoisted on your own petard.
I can go with standard terms and definitions. Look at the medical field, they work with evolved little bacteria and whatnot...no??
Great. Then what does the little pike do in your mind? Do you think flatworms are your ancient relatives??
Boy are you getting beat something fierce here!
Upvote
0
Oh? Based on what? You think they were under miles of water??
Last time I checked beaches had sand and sand exists in oceans. Besides, how much sand was there then?
Upvote
0
JonFromMinnesota
Well-Known Member
Parroting my reply. How mature of you. Our of curiosity how old are you?
Anyway, I never claimed that the laws of nature have always been the same. I don't know if they were or not. Nothing suggests they were different, I have no reason to believe they were. You're the one being so adamant that they were different....i'm interested in what evidence you might have for that. If you have the evidence are you willing to write a paper and submit it for peer review in the relevant field of study?
You're avoiding the question. Answer it please. Or are you not confident in the claims that you make?
Yes, there have been experiments with bacteria. I am asking you to demonstrate you know what evolution is and how it works. Please elaborate.
All living things on earth share a common ancestor. So, yes we are very very distantly related. As a human species we are more closely related to chimpanzees and bonobos. Our next closest relatives in the tree of live are gorillas and orangutans. This is demonstrated in the fossil record and even more evident in DNA.
Human Chromosome #2-
Scientific peer reviewed paper- http://www.pnas.org/content/88/20/9051.full.pdf
And an easier reference to understand- http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
Upvote
0
Science does basically. It also uses that premise for ALL models of the past. No model is better than that premise.
Bingo. Yet science claims things based on the belief they were.
God suggests different. What you believe doesn't enter into it. What is known by science is what matters in a forum like this.
I have the glaring fact you don't know. You even admitted it in this last post of yours! I also have what God says the past was like. There is no need to lean on your hunches and since you admit not knowing, why not go with what God said??
The evolution that matters is all in the far past. Science has no way of knowing where that started or ended. The issue here is when people take the act of evolving and claim that this itself is responsible for life on earth today.
No. That is patently false.
Lurkers, for your information this poster is admitting he truly feels that flatworms are kin!
False. Evolution in the former state likely did not require getting it from parents. The creature itself may have rapidly evolved while alive! That would mean no common ancestry. Again your whole case resides on what you admitted NOT KNOWING!!!
See above, No all that is demonstrated is your blind belief in what you do not know and admit not knowing!
How sweet it is.
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
JonFromMinnesota
Well-Known Member
You're making a claim it was different. You haven't demonstrated evidence. Just circular reasoning "It's true because I say it's true" It's truly embarrassing that you think this constitutes as an argument.
No reason to believe that the laws of nature were different. This has been told to you on several occasions yet you plug your ears and close your eyes. Are you terrified that you are wrong? Maybe you know you're wrong but you think if you say what you hope to be true enough, it will make it true.
Why would I pretend to know? Those who pretend to know something are intellectually dishonest.
You have a double burden of proof. First, you must demonstrate with evidence this God exists and second, you must demonstrate your interpretation is correct. I will wait...I don't lean on hunches. I depend on what the evidence tells me.
Evolution makes no claims for the origin of life. It doesn't pretend to know like you do. Again, evolution never ended. You seem to think humans were an end goal in evolution. Evolution doesn't have a goal in mind. Thanks for demonstrating for the umpteenth time you have no clue what you're talking about.
Evolution is the explanation for the diversity of life on earth. It's demonstrated with overwhelming amounts of evidence which have been presented to you on several occasions. You can dismiss it until you're blue in the face. It won't change the fact that you're demonstrably wrong.
Demonstrably true.
Meet my friend. His name is evidence. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Common_descent
How did you say it at the end of your post? Oh yes.....how sweet it is
This is begging the question. It's a logical fallacy. You're putting your conclusion in the premise.
The evidence shows that you are wrong.
Upvote
0
Science and posters on this and other science forums are making a claim it was the same in the past. You haven't demonstrated evidence. Just circular reasoning "It's true because I say it's true" It's truly embarrassing that you think this constitutes as an argument.
The bible is proven reliable in countless ways over time and it indicates a certain nature in the past. If you, after admitting your ignorance here, blindly reject that evidence in lieu of any other available to man, that is darkness and ignorance.
Someone asked you what you believe???
Why claim things not knowing?!
In your case that would be true. However God does know, and not only are you not in a position to question His account, you already admitted abysmal ignorance of what state it was.
We need look no further than YOUR claim HERE that flatworms are relatives! That means life on earth for the most part, in your little mind and belief system descended from such relatives. That means you do claim life on earth at least the vast vast vast vast majority of life on earth came from evolution! Again, hoisted on your own petard.
Do not pretend that God doesn't know, Jesus rose from the dead and confirmed Moses and creation was right. Just because you admit NOT knowing! That only rules you OUT, not God.
You do not know what evolving was like on the unknown former nature. Therefore the slow evolution we see today is not what existed that we know. Since you admitted NOT knowing the past nature, you admit in effect not knowing what evolution WAS! You cannot say IT never ended!! In all ways you lose.
No, just one of the kinds at the starting gate. You guys do not know the tail from the head!
No evidence whatsoever anywhere exists for your claimed descent from worms or other low lifes! Your idea of evolution no more explains created life than a cereal box does.
When is he coming in to the party? Enough intros let's see the piker!
Upvote
0
Enough water to cover the highest peaks is enough to drown the pyramids.
On beaches, the water isn't thousands of feet above the shore.
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
True. But would that not leave some evidence?
Apparently in places there is sand under seas. There is also sand blowing on land and after the flood we would see blown sand also. In what way are you claiming sand in Egypt means the pyramids are pre flood exactly??
Upvote
0
Similar threads
