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I believe that too but I think differently than you do. I believe no one comes to God without the prompting of the Holy Spirit given by God's grace.

If that call is irresistible where is the choice?
Your beliefs are not in dispute:
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Deu 30:19 `I have caused to testify against you to-day the heavens and the earth; life and death I have set before thee, the blessing and the reviling; and thou hast fixed on life, so that thou dost live, thou and thy seed,

choose life: Jos_24:15-22; Psa_119:30, Psa_119:111, Psa_119:173; Pro_1:29, Pro_8:36; Isa_56:4; Luk_10:42

2Co 5:18 And the all things are of God, who reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and did give to us the ministration of the reconciliation,
2Co 5:19 how that God was in Christ--a world reconciling to Himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses; and having put in us the word of the reconciliation,
2Co 5:20 in behalf of Christ, then, we are ambassadors, as if God were calling through us, we beseech, in behalf of Christ, `Be ye reconciled to God;'
2Co 5:21 for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin, that we may become the righteousness of God in him.

You all made a choice whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
There are over a billion websites online you can go to. Can't you give just one place where others in agreement don't have to deal with your need to disagree? You think we haven't heard this "unique" argument before? Must we deal with it day in and day out just because it's a game to you?
 
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I did not "need" God in any way. My choice was "no".

So, what happened?
2Pe 3:9 the Lord is not slow in regard to the promise, as certain count slowness, but is long-suffering to us, not counselling any to be lost but all to pass on to reformation,

God is long suffering, only He knows when a man has hardened his heart to where he will never humble himself before God. Until then the Holy Spirit will keep convicting the sinner, keep speaking of the righteousness of Christ, and keep warning. John 16:7-11

John MacArthur gave a sermon on not hardening ones heart against the gospel.
"And so in verse ? He says, "Harden not your hearts as they did in the day of provocation in the day of trial in the wilderness". You know, hardening your heart is also a matter of personal action. In I Tim.
I think it's chapter 4 isn't it verse 2 where Paul says that the heart of a man or the conscience of a man can become seared as with a hot iron like scar tissue? You can harden yourself against the gospel."
http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/1608/harden-not-your-hearts
Your beliefs are not in dispute:
Arminian Statement of Faith
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There are over a billion websites online you can go to. Can't you give just one place where others in agreement don't have to deal with your need to disagree? You think we haven't heard this "unique" argument before? Must we deal with it day in and day out just because it's a game to you?
Well, we have a "captive audience" here at CF, so we should take every word captive for the glory of God and be good stewards of the free time God has granted us to present the true teachings of Holy Writ wherever that opportunity arises and we are so provoked by the Spirit to do so.

God Bless All of You, in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord and our Savior
 
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2Pe 3:9 the Lord is not slow in regard to the promise, as certain count slowness, but is long-suffering to us, not counselling any to be lost but all to pass on to reformation,

God is long suffering, only He knows when a man has hardened his heart to where he will never humble himself before God. Until then the Holy Spirit will keep convicting the sinner, keep speaking of the righteousness of Christ, and keep warning. John 16:7-11

John MacArthur gave a sermon on not hardening ones heart against the gospel.
"And so in verse ? He says, "Harden not your hearts as they did in the day of provocation in the day of trial in the wilderness". You know, hardening your heart is also a matter of personal action. In I Tim.
I think it's chapter 4 isn't it verse 2 where Paul says that the heart of a man or the conscience of a man can become seared as with a hot iron like scar tissue? You can harden yourself against the gospel."
http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/1608/harden-not-your-hearts

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So, why did my heart unharden in a minute, after 30 years of being hardened? As I said, if it was a choice that was mine to make, then that was not the choice I would have made. My life since then has become harder, much more complicated--not because of any worldly thing changing for the worse. In fact, it has all gotten better on the average. But, now the things of the spirit weigh on me. I didn't ask for that. Some days, I still don't want it. But I have an irresistible calling to follow.
 
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So, why did my heart unharden in a minute, after 30 years of being hardened? As I said, if it was a choice that was mine to make, then that was not the choice I would have made. My life since then has become harder, much more complicated--not because of any worldly thing changing for the worse. In fact, it has all gotten better on the average. But, now the things of the spirit weigh on me. I didn't ask for that. Some days, I still don't want it. But I have an irresistible calling to follow.
I have been told that I am playing games with God's Word. If that is the impression that I an giving then I need to just stop talking.
God Bless you and keep you, Bryan
 
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I have been told that I am playing games with God's Word. If that is the impression that I an giving then I need to just stop talking.
God Bless you and keep you, Bryan
Going back to the original concept of this thread, (and I really was lurking just to enjoy some of the conversation), this could be part of the problem too. An inability to hear what is being said vs. trying to prove a point? I think quite often they're so busy trying to prove they're right, they don't have time to listen to what's being said.

It was a game. The game was "I'll prove you wrong." That was translated into "I have been told that I am playing games with God's Word." Too often the debate gets knocked down to "you said," and "no I didn't," just to avoid the actual context of what was truly being said.

Which was why I was lurking. It is so refreshing to me to see a full thread without someone busy defending the opposite of what was said.
 
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