The seperation of light and darkness will be a two way street.

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Well but the truth is I'm only comparing it to other sub forums here on CF, so I don't think that is true.

The Spirit-Filled forum at CF is not immune from participation inequality. This is a well-documented phenomenon that dates back to the days of Usenet newsgroups and BBS usage. It's really quite an interesting topic to read about;

How to Overcome Participation Inequality

You can't.


The first step to dealing with participation inequality is to recognize that it will always be with us. It's existed in every online community and multi-user service that has ever been studied.
Source: http://www.nngroup.com/articles/participation-inequality/

Anyhow, that's enough of a bunny trail about that. Back to the topic. Sorry OP...

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I know you don't really believe that. Many, many new people have come to this subforum for a little while and then leave.

Don't make this about Jesus. That conversation will go downhill quick. Jesus talked way more about love than sin. Way more about mercy than reprimand.
hmmm.well actually i DO believe that . it would be like me going to the catholic threads ..im going to be offended there because almost everything about their teachings offends me so i would not stay even if i visited .i simply choose not to fellowship there as i feel there is no fellowship in the lord .. (they fellowship under the "their church " not under the lord imo)

an no one is making it about the lord Jesus ..but about peoples right or wrong response to him .
i feel the truth is .. most people come to this sub forum and leave .. because it is a sub forum . even i do not dwell here. i post in other forums when and where the topic interests me and also at http://www.christianityhaven.com/forum.. but the topic is not why folks come here or not .

its about separation of light from darkness in our lives and the church as a whole and that separation is increasingly exponentially now and those that don't follow the lord into that holiness will follow the secular apostate church into damnation.-the wheat will be separated from the chaff in these last days .
 
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Sin is one of the main control mechanisms of abusive churches these days. It get's the person to concentrate on themselves and their sins and away from the important work that God has given us to do. I think the narrow path that the bible talks about is for the less self-centered Christian who is beyond thinking that the entire kingdom of God is going to fall down each time they sin. Some like to play pastor/teacher and regurgitate what is in their own hearts and minds. Maybe it makes them feel better, I just move around to other subforums who have more interesting discussions.

You are RIGHT. You can always find self-centered sin talk here. What do they feel guilty about? Hmmm.

They scare away any new visitors we have with what seems like an overly self-righteous attitude. It's sad really.
I think in all this we need to consider what the word of God says. It tells us that in the last days, because sin shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Let's note that it does not say that it is the talk about sin, or warnings about continuing in sin that will drive people away. It is sin that hardens the heart, and the elect long for victory, yet the modern church is simply silent on the subject.

We as God's people are supposed to possess the cure for sin, are we not? Is that not the real good news of the gospel? God promises that we are to be overcomers! Yet today, in most churches in America, once we get people saved, how do we equip them to fight the devil? If we are not to be ignorant of satan's devices, if we are to be vigilant in our saying no to the temptations he tries to offer us, if we are to resist him steadfast in the faith, if we are to 'sin not', how exactly do you accomplish that without instructions as to how to walk with the world, the flesh and the devil under our feet? It is not like that subject has been mastered yet, amen?

Do we hear talk about fighting our good fight of faith, or of warring a good warfare? Do we truly have deep study on equipping ourselves with the whole armor of God so we will not be slain in battle? Do we even believe we an ever walk safe from the power of darkness still siding inside us? As the word says:

"My people perish from lack of knowledge."


So when the present time finds the vast majority of believers still sitting in their prison cells, bound by the very same sins they were bound by when they first came to Christ, and taught to be content with their pardon they are clutching in their hands because Jesus really can't set them free indeed, should we simply bite our tongues and not raise a voice to alert them that Jesus has promised us more? Shall we ignore scriptures that warn of dire consequences for any who think grace makes our need for purity of heart now a non issue?

There can be no doubt that some churches do indeed control their people by pressing upon them the need for legalistic effort, where life itself is one big guilt and repentance party. Does this mean that repentance and turning whole heartedly from sin is bad, and therefore 'let's simply ignore sin'. Is the solution to just promote the feel goods, thinking that will produce holiness? It may makes us happier, but it doe nothing to make us holier.

The time to 'dig deep' is now and expose the real reason why repentance alone leaves us worn out. It is because we have not done the second step, for after repentance comes BELIEVE. I pray readers do not throw the baby out with the bath water here, for sin is being talked about only because it is still here, inside the hearts of believers. The black dog, the 'old us', is still alive and kicking and the white dog inside us knows nothing of victory. Can we say that we believe truthfully that we are no longer in the flesh and owe it nothing? Can we say that we believe our shield of faith will quench ALL the fiery arrows of the enemy? God says He will not allow us to be tempted above our ability to resist it. Ok.... do we believe that? That is the faith we have not coupled with our repentance.

Our solution has been to lower the standard. God is about to raise it in these last days, and praise God, then to lift us up to fulfill it. For all who love the light, this is truly an exciting time. There may be tears as we break before Him in hunger and confession and desperation, beseeching Him as wretched men to do just as He promised and 'cause us' to walk as overcoming obedient children, but those tears are precious to our Father, and He promises to replace our tears with overwhelming joy and victory. Pretty hard to spin that any way but awesome. :)

Blessings,

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failing to pray in faith for everyone i know
I started again. If I'm too lazy at night I do it during the day. The revival is at an outbreak. I Always have to pray alone, can never attend church prayer meetings, but I joined this Facebook group of enthousiastic praying people who go out. Just 150 widows and orphans got saved and healed when they went to Uganda. This one guy he's so full.
Years ago God showed me all my collegues and the whole street full of people, they were lying on the floor in a church in the Glory of God.
 
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I started again. If I'm too lazy at night I do it during the day. The revival is at an outbreak. I Always have to pray alone, can never attend church prayer meetings, but I joined this Facebook group of enthusiastic praying people who go out. Just 150 widows and orphans got saved and healed when they went to Uganda. This one guy he's so full.
Years ago God showed me all my colleagues and the whole street full of people, they were lying on the floor in a church in the Glory of God.

its so encouraging to hear ..because at times the prayers meeting i attend has been me and the lord ... few seem to commit to turning up and at times it feels very lonely ,even though i know im never really alone :) ....(its a western thing ,i recall before the iron curtain fell in east germany believers would gather in the freezing winter in the forest to fellowship and pray ..they would go to great lengths and effort to do so letting not even the fear of capture and imprisonment deter them . the western church is deterred by a favorite tv show on that night .. -and some say its a bride already purified .??.its so entangled in the world it can't see even itself any more .
 
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What is going on here? We aren't supposed to be angry with one another. The real enemy is out there, using people like God our Father, but for his own gain - because he mocks the Father! Do not be deceived because you think your message isn't heard or getting through to your brothers or sisters. The real blocker is Satan!

Matthew 5:22 "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."
~KJV

Colossians 3:15-16
"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord."
~KJV

To say that no one cares what anyone has to say sounds a lot like Satan talking, doesn't it? How can anyone say they love Christ and say they don't care about what a "poster" (Just by saying "poster" takes away the person behind the screen) has to say?
If you don't know how to respond/reply to someone without being worldly, talk to God first. I say all of this with earnest love, and do not ever take your eyes off of Him.
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and find what he shares very well balanced within the context of those who need to hear it .. if it convicts a person they get upset then go and get right with the lord and go on to be joyful in the lord ..if it convicts a person they may also get all uppity and rebel and not listen to the message then start to be angry at the messenger .. sometime in the old testament they had the messengers put to death because they did not like the message ... it all comes down to out hearts response to the message .
i never consider myself so holy within my own ability that i need not obey the holy Spirit and thus allow him to bring about further change in transforming me into the image of Christ Jesus. though i fully recognize that "by faith" should i die this moment i will be found IN CHRIST to be perfect in HIS righteousness ..but while i inhabit this frail being i have not yet attained that righteousness .so forgetting that which lays behind i press onward, ever being transformed into the image of the lord Jesus .
thus admonishment to do so is always required and Godly and in line with the perfect will of God - for the moment i consider myself to have achieved what i cannot achieve in the flesh i will have deceived myself .

Seconded.
 
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And we have the right to disagree. So we are. If you do not mind the whole 'church is dead' than I do. Funny how you pick up something that is so thinly veiled behind the rest of what he is saying.

I do not think it is possible for someone led by the Spirit to consider such thing's as Christ's church is dead to be acceptable. This is the type of stuff that makes people flee from the Spirit Filled Forum.

I think the church that Jesus envisioned died with Constantine, does that make me a heretic or deceived?

THAT church? Brought Rome to it's KNEES. If you read Foxe's book of martyrs they had to stop feeding us to lions b/c of the way they faced death. (I spent a LONG time looking for this info, ch 8 iirc)

THIS church? pfftt. We have mini-cafes in some of them & we STILL can't attract ppl. Care to guess why?

I have a brother from Kenya who is here as a missionary. a MISSIONARY, to THIS country!

You think Gids is hard? Ask a missionary not from America what do they think of "church" here. Bring a sandwich, you'll be there for awhile.
 
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Actually I agree in context it has merit but Gideon doesnt provide context but puts all the church in the same category which is a big part of why what he says isnt balanced.
Many have mentioned this to him but like the verses he quotes to everyone else he himself is stiff necked and has never listened to those who have mentioned this major flaw in his delivery.
What many do not understand is that what God beginning to do is to awaken ALL of the church, for all sleep. Are there good people doing the work of the ministry as best they can? Absolutely! I thank God for every minister who does not approach their calling as their profession and who wrestle in prayer for their flock to walk with the Lord in wholehearted obedience. I thank God for every saint who, whether or not they are always successful, deep inside wants to walk totally pleasing to God no matter the cost. But ere can be no denying that as a whole, we have simply not been told HOW to walk as new creatures.

The best we can do is tell people to 1) Pray 2) Read the Bible 3) Go to church. All of these things are good things. But there can be no doubt that something is lacking, because following this path, few if any are found being planted in victory, able to keep their bodies under, walking out their time here as living sacrifices. There is something we have missed, and praise God, He is now awakening us to it.

The word tells us this about our God:

"The eyes of the Lord search to and fro across the whole earth, seeking those on whose behalf He can show Himself strong."

How we have misunderstood what God wants from us. He does not want superhuman effort. No, He wants us to admit that even that is not enough to walk pleasing to Him. He wants us to see it is our old nature that is the issue and that having a new nature.... and putting it on by faith..... is the only way we can live as He desires. Yes, we are saddled temporarily with fleshly bodies, and will till Jesus returns for us. But He has made our spirit new, and self and sin have no power over this magnificent creation.

Some seem to think I am slandering the church when I say that we are as a whole lukewarm, walking in defeat to our fleshly man. But my heart cries out for His bride, and the only reason I say what I say is that in order for a man to want something more, he must first admit that what he has, good as it may be, is not enough to make us free indeed.

People will argue that they are free, totally righteous in God's sight, but until our flesh, the old us, the natural us, is dealt with, and put off, never to be put on again, sin and self-will will rule at times over the will of God in our lives. When people got upset with the Lord when He told them he could set them free, they were greatly offended, saying they were already free. But here is how Jesus defined the free indeed He referred to in the 8th chapter of John.

"He that commits sin is a slave to sin, and the slave does not abide in the house all the time."

This state of sleep we are in is not just the "non-Charismatic" churches. The need to be made free indeed is for ALL of us. It has been pre-destined that at this time, all in the body of Christ will awake to the call for whole-hearted holiness and singleness of eye, with Jesus made Lord of our lives as well as savior. We cannot remain in charge, for we do not own us. He does. It is this call that will divide sheep and the goats, the wheat and the tares. The wheat shall fall on the stone and be broken, and in that hunger and brokenness, be blessed beyond measure as they by faith light their lamps and literally PUT ON the Lord Jesus Christ as their life, their armor. The tares on the other hand will hate such a message, for pride and love of self and the freedom to choose sin when it is convenient will cause them to dig in their heels and say "Let's leave everything just as it is. We are fine. We have need of nothing." This is dangerous ground, and if one does not find repentance, they will, on the last day, be shocked at what awaits. I pray that NONE remains oblivious to the exceedingly great eternal danger.


This message upsets some people. It divides. I fully understand that. But.... it is supposed to! Those hungry saints, not content with bus passes to heaven, but who truly hunger and thirst for real righteousness and pure hearts, they WILL be filled, glory to God! When we, like Paul, are found crying out to our God as wretched men longing to be delivered from our old fleshly natures, hating the old us, amazing changes are coming.

Hard things must be spoken, things our flesh is not going to like one bit. They are not meant to hurt but to open us all up to the miracle we thought we would get at our salvation....brand new natures. Fear not, even if you are the weakest one here. The truth is that you weakness makes you a perfect fit for what God has for us all.

May God bless every reader with wisdom and lea them into the rest that remains for the people of God.

Gideon
 
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I think the church that Jesus envisioned died with Constantine, does that make me a heretic or deceived?

THAT church? Brought Rome to it's KNEES.

With Jesus being God, I don't think that He had a vision for the church as you have said. I think that Jesus was more worried about living a sinless life and becoming the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.

When we bring Jesus down to our level (us who have sinned) than that is where we begin to go wrong. The Holy Spirit convicts us of sin and guides us. Jesus Himself knew what the world would be like in the end of days and prophesized to His disciples what the end of days would be like. That is in the Word.
 
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What many do not understand is that what God beginning to do is to awaken ALL of the church, for all sleep.

This is a prophecy that you see happening which is your opinion that you are entitled to. I say it is a prophecy because the Word does not talk about such a thing happening.

I'm sure you can understand why many of us do not agree with your point of view on this since it is not in the Word.
 
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This is a prophecy that you see happening which is your opinion that you are entitled to. I say it is a prophecy because the Word does not talk about such a thing happening.

I'm sure you can understand why many of us do not agree with your point of view on this since it is not in the Word.
The parables of Jesus oftentimes revealed many deep things that we would not know otherwise. One such parable is the parable of the 10 sleeping virgins, a type of the church. All 10 were asleep when the cry went forth that the master, who had been on a long journey, was coming back. Five, half of them, had oil in their lamp, and five did not. When the cry went forth "the master cometh!", the five lit their lamps so they could see... and be seen. The five without oil could not. No fire. No light. And as they went to get some, the gates were opened and the five wise virgins went in and the gates were then shut. They had a name that they live, but in truth, they were dead. They drew near Him with their lips, but their hearts were far from Him. Their lives denied Christ. In the end, even though they thought themselves saved, they were the ones who will hear the words "Depart from me, all ye that work iniquity". (sin)

We can either seek God's face for the meaning of this, or we can plug our ears, cover our eyes, and deny that the awakening that is about to happen is not in the Bible. But consider:

Jesus said that we must watch and pray, for the enemy will steal from many in the last day.

Paul said that in the last day, the love of many shall wax cold. That word in the Greek is not phileo... brotherly love... but agape... the love of God.

We can deny we need to awake to righteousness, for to do so is to admit we are asleep. Our pride wants to step in and say "I am offended. I am certainly not asleep" and to any who thinks all is well, their attitude is eerily similar to the saints at Laodecia, who said "I am rich, and powerful and increased with good, and have need of nothing."

Ultimately, the dividing line will be between those who want to obey more than anything, hungering for righteousness, not just forgiveness, and those content with forgiveness, as if their continuing to sin and live for self is a badge of honor that somehow magnifies grace. What they forget is Paul warned of that specific situation when he warned us when he said there would be those that continuing in sin makes grace abound. However, God tells us clearly that real grace does the very opposite. it teaches us HOW to walk in holiness and righteousness. It is time we began to seek His face for Him to 'cause us' to walk as overcomers, victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil.

All this IS in the word. Are we listening?

Blessings,

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The parables of Jesus oftentimes revealed many deep things that we would not know otherwise. One such parable is the parable of the 10 sleeping virgins, a type of the church. All 10 were asleep when the cry went forth that the master, who had been on a long journey, was coming back. Five, half of them, had oil in their lamp, and five did not. When the cry went forth "the master cometh!", the five lit their lamps so they could see... and be seen. The five without oil could not. No fire. No light. And as they went to get some, the gates were opened and the five wise virgins went in and the gates were then shut. They had a name that they live, but in truth, they were dead. They drew near Him with their lips, but their hearts were far from Him. Their lives denied Christ. In the end, even though they thought themselves saved, they were the ones who will hear the words "Depart from me, all ye that work iniquity". (sin)

We can either seek God's face for the meaning of this, or we can plug our ears, cover our eyes, and deny that the awakening that is about to happen is not in the Bible. But consider:

Jesus said that we must watch and pray, for the enemy will steal from many in the last day.

Paul said that in the last day, the love of many shall wax cold. That word in the Greek is not phileo... brotherly love... but agape... the love of God.

We can deny we need to awake to righteousness, for to do so is to admit we are asleep. Our pride wants to step in and say "I am offended. I am certainly not asleep" and to any who thinks all is well, their attitude is eerily similar to the saints at Laodecia, who said "I am rich, and powerful and increased with good, and have need of nothing."

Ultimately, the dividing line will be between those who want to obey more than anything, hungering for righteousness, not just forgiveness, and those content with forgiveness, as if their continuing to sin and live for self is a badge of honor that somehow magnifies grace. What they forget is Paul warned of that specific situation when he warned us when he said there would be those that continuing in sin makes grace abound. However, God tells us clearly that real grace does the very opposite. it teaches us HOW to walk in holiness and righteousness. It is time we began to seek His face for Him to 'cause us' to walk as overcomers, victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil.

All this IS in the word. Are we listening?

Blessings,

Gids

So why do you think that this parable from 2,000 years ago applies to the church today?

Seems to me that at any given second over the last 2,000 years this would have been applicable, so I don't see this as specifically applying to today more than any other time in history. In the days of Noah, things were so bad that Jesus used these days (during the days of Noah) to describe the level of sin and evil in the world.

I don't see this applying (10 virgins parable) to this time in history in particular.
 
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So why do you think that this parable from 2,000 years ago applies to the church today?

Seems to me that at any given second over the last 2,000 years this would have been applicable, so I don't see this as specifically applying to today more than any other time in history. In the days of Noah, things were so bad that Jesus used these days (during the days of Noah) to describe the level of sin and evil in the world.

I don't see this applying (10 virgins parable) to this time in history in particular.
If one does not think that the level of evil is at a different level altogether today, then the thief has done his job exceptionally well. The master IS coming, and here we sit, content with 90 minute church services, 2.8 hours of nightly television to numb us and to keep us asleep, thinking that we are no different than any other time in history. Business-as-usual Christianity is alive and well, and His own are for the most part visionless and passionless, thinking that God will change us when He is good and ready, so why sweat it?

We are told to watch and pray, to seek God with all that is within us to walk in holiness and righteousness, but we have already checked that box off, because Jesus has made us holy, right? But we are clearly told that if we continue to sow to the flesh, we shall reap corruption just like those in the world.

There is one fact satan wants to keep us asleep to, and that is that to whom we yield ourselves to is who we are really serving. If we are continuing to yield ourselves to self pleasure and sin, however small, and we are not bothered by this fact, we, like Samson, have been blinded, and we too are grinding out religious corn for the pleasure of our sworn enemy.

We are being asked to awake and cry out:

"Once more, Lord! Use me once more. Restore unto me what the enemy has stolen from me. Awaken me to righteousness and deliver me from the hand of evil, so that I might show others what Jesus can do to and through a child of yours who is totally yielded to Him. Deliver me from the misery of my Romans 7 life, and let me taste of the free indeed you promised to all who are truly your children. Let not the heathen rule over me any longer to bring reproach to your name."

All will awake. Wheat and tares alike. The wheat will choose to bow the knee and lay self rule on the alter, the tares will think it not necessary for they are already free.... positionally of course, and that is quite enough for them.

Blessings,

Gideon
 
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the 10 virgins is always applicable, some people pay their offerings or tithes to buy the infilling of the holy spirit, they see sunday as a time to re-fill their inner lamp with the oil of the holy spirit. But at churches people feed off the anointings of others, this is what is meant by "go and buy from those who sell" . When one is constantly connected to the Holy Spirit, there is always an infilling but one also realizes the "not so" of the parable .. that there is only enough provided for yourself. Each person needs to be born again, each person needs to be intimate with the Holy Spirit, this is the kingdom of God.

There will come times of sleep, but intimacy with the Holy Spirit, trust in God, and love in the present and moving forward with Joy are the main things that amount to a holy sunrise of the heart that casts out all darkness and fear.
 
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