How old is the earth? And does this matter?

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Wrong. Evidence for an ancient earth came about before the theory of evolution.
Not really. Here's a quote from the same articles:
In the 19th century, scientific realms established the age of the Earth in terms of millions of years. That's the same time as Darwin's Theory was presented.
 
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So I'm not sure if I believe the earth was created literally in 7 or really 6 days and it's only like 6000 years old. I think it could be possible that God just took his time to make earth perfect for his perfect creation (well that was until they ate the apple) and maybe the bible supports what modern science tells us after all. Well me thinking this brought up another problem after I said this to my girlfriend. Now she's telling me I'm not a christian and I'm basically going to hell even though I absolutely believe that God created everything and Jesus died for our sins. Should things like this really matter what Christians believe as long as they believe God created Heaven and Earth,believe Jesus Christ died for our sins and live our lives to be as much like him as possible?

The earth, which came from the sun is 4+ billion years old, the sun came from other space material and events which are much, much older.

Genesis was written by the literate priest class in Babylon for the child like mind of Bronze age sheep headers. It's not literal, its just a story using parts and pieces from the distant past on our evolved planet.
 
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Not really. Here's a quote from the same articles:
In the 19th century, scientific realms established the age of the Earth in terms of millions of years. That's the same time as Darwin's Theory was presented.

Same century, though that does not change the fact that people believed the earth was older then 6,000 years, before 1859 (when Darwin published his theory). There accepting of an older earth was not because of evolution.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geohist.html
 
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Genesis was written by the literate priest class in Babylon for the child like mind of Bronze age sheep headers. It's not literal, its just a story using parts and pieces from the distant past on our evolved planet.

Colter,
Higher Criticism was thoroughly debunked LONG, LONG, AGO. Why are your reviving their fallacies and misleading yourself and others? Higher Criticism was a child of Theological Liberalism, and it has little or no value in understanding the Bible. In common parlance, it is BUNK.

Moses wrote the Torah (the first five books of the Old Testament) by DIVINE INSPIRATION. This has been the conservative Jewish and Christian view for almost 3,500 years. This is clearly stated in the Jewish Encyclopedia (below).

The traditional view is that the Pentateuch in its entirety emanated from God, every verse and letter being consequently inspired; hence the tannaitic statement that "he who says the Torah is not from Heaven is a heretic, a despiser of the Word of God, one who has no share in the world to come" (Sanh. xi. 1; ib. Gemara, 99a) is expressly explained to include any one that says the whole Torah emanates from God with the exception of one verse, which Moses added on his own responsibility, or any one that finds verses like Gen. xxxvi. 12 and 22 too trivial to assign to them a divine origin (Shab. 99a, b).

The Pentateuch passages are quoted in the schools as the sayings of God ("amar Raḥmana" = "the Merciful One has said," B. M. 3b, and often). Moses wrote the whole Pentateuch at God's dictation, even, according to R. Simeon, the last eight verses, relating to his own death (B. B. 14b). On the other hand, some held that the curses in Lev. xxvi. were pronounced by "the mouth of the Divine Power," whereas those in Deut. xxviii., by Moses, were of his own prompting (Meg. 31b; but see Tosafot, "this does not exclude divine inspiration"). Every letter of the Torah was fixed by the Masorah and counted by the Soferim (Ḳid. 30a), and on each particle, such as "et," "we," "gam," "af" ("and" or "also"), were based important laws (Pes. 22b; Sanh. 70a); even the Masoretic signs formed the basis for halakic or haggadic interpretations in Akiba's system (seeAkiba). The division of the Pentateuch into verses was ascribed to Moses (Meg. 22a). The final letters, also (
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), were fixed by the Prophets, and were therefore inspired (Shab. 104a; Yer. Meg. i. 71d; Gen. R. i.). R. Ishmael said to R. Meïr while the latter was occupied with the professional work of a scribe, "Be on thy guard concerning thy sacred task, for if thou omittest or addest one single letter to the Law thou destroyest the whole world" ('Er. 12b).

This whole view of plenary inspiration was in the main (though the passage regarding the counting of the letters by the Soferim, Ḳid. 30a, includes the Prophets and Hagiographa) strictly held only in regard to the five books of Moses—the Torah. Upon the absolute completeness of the Torah rested the fundamental rabbinical principle, "No prophet after Moses was allowed to change anything in the Law" (Shab. 104a; Yoma 80a; Meg. 2b; based upon Lev. xxvii. 34 or Num. xxxvi. 13). Whatever is written in the other holy writings must therefore, somewhere or somehow, have been alluded to in the Torah (Ta'an. 9a).

To the Pentateuch or Torah a higher degree of divine inspiration is accordingly ascribed than to the Prophets and Hagiographa, which are often called "dibre ḳabbalah" = "words of tradition" (see Zunz, "G. V." p. 44), or simply "sefarim" = "books" (Meg. i. 8, iii. 1), or "ketubim" (see Bible Canon). All the canonical books are "kitbe ḳodesh" = holy writings" (Shab. xvi. 1), and were read at divine the service as the divinely inspired Word ("Miḳra" = "the recited Word of God").

The prophetical and hagiographic books are implicitly included in the Torah (Tan., Re'ch, ed. Buber, p. 1), but the Torah is the standard by which their value or holiness is judged and gaged (see Shab. 13b, 30b; Meg. 7a; Ab. R. N. i.; Tos. Meg. iv. 19; Yer. Meg. iv. 73d). The final composition as well as the writing of the Hagiographa was ascribed to the "men of the Great Synagogue." who also were regarded as working under the influence of the Holy, or prophetic, Spirit, having among them the last of the Prophets (B. B. 15a; see Synagogue, Great).
 
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Colter,
Higher Criticism was thoroughly debunked LONG, LONG, AGO. Why are your reviving their fallacies and misleading yourself and others? Higher Criticism was a child of Theological Liberalism, and it has little or no value in understanding the Bible. In common parlance, it is BUNK.

Moses wrote the Torah (the first five books of the Old Testament) by DIVINE INSPIRATION. This has been the conservative Jewish and Christian view for almost 3,500 years. This is clearly stated in the Jewish Encyclopedia (below).

No, higher criticism or the documentary hypothesis is a consensus view among contemporary scholars as well as people with common sense. It's only those who practice the idolatry of book worship that maintain a form of beligerant denial about the Hebrews exagerated history.

And why would anyone care what the Jews think, they killed the answer to Abrahams faith.

Moses the reformer predates the Hebrew language by 500 years, whatever he wrote was redacted in Babylon. I take it with a grain of salt.

Heresy is a creation of the evil re-Sanhedrin church who fears the loss of its control of the profitable message.
 
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So I'm not sure if I believe the earth was created literally in 7 or really 6 days and it's only like 6000 years old. I think it could be possible that God just took his time to make earth perfect for his perfect creation (well that was until they ate the apple) and maybe the bible supports what modern science tells us after all. Well me thinking this brought up another problem after I said this to my girlfriend. Now she's telling me I'm not a christian and I'm basically going to hell even though I absolutely believe that God created everything and Jesus died for our sins. Should things like this really matter what Christians believe as long as they believe God created Heaven and Earth,believe Jesus Christ died for our sins and live our lives to be as much like him as possible?

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. The age of the earth is immaterial. What modern science says is immaterial.
 
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Science has proven without a doubt that the earth is MUCH older than ten thousand years. Heck, there is evidence that MEN lived in NORTH America over 16,000 years ago.
So the idea of a six thousand year old earth is LUDICROUS. We know that animals that men hunted became extinct over 12.000 years ago. And we also KNOW that man and dinosaurs NEVER lived together at the same time. If they did, then the layer of their bones would also be scattered with the bones of MEN as well. The idea that the flood killed the dinosaurs is therefore completely fabricated. For there would be evidence of MEN found right beside the dinosaurs if they ALL died together in the flood. Since there are NO human remains found beside the dinosaurs, they did NOT live together.
It took BILLIONS of years for this earth to be READY to support MEN.


Sigh... Science is once again revising their theories.

Soft tissues has been found in a number of dinosaur bones in more recent investigations from already existing bones dug up much earlier.

Carbon-14 found in Dino bones clearly suggests they went extinct not more than 50,000 years ago.

Soft tissue would not have survived if the samples were many millions of years old.


http://newgeology.us/presentation48.html


There has been conspiracies of coverups of dinosaur bones found with man's bones. Why was it such a huge deal???

Because it provided a clue to the nature of "the fall" of creation, and we might be related to them than we could possibly imagine.

Evolution is real and if we're speaking of just thousands of years time frame, we could be expecting another huge "hiccup" anytime soon. Our recessive dino genes might re-surface again. Watch out for the ladies though. Nature or something else like cybernetics assimilation will arm them to the teeth this time around and they will be Earth's new overlords, thus, ending the reign (of terror) of man. This was prophesied in the Book of Micah.
 
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Let there be light follows the statement the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. It is obviously declaration his Devine presence? Yes/No

No.

You clearly are not reading the text in context.

Gen 1: 2-5 Now the earth was formless and desolate,* and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep,*+ and God’s active force*+ was moving about over the surface of the waters.+3 And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light.+4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God began to divide the light from the darkness.5 God called the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.+ And there was evening and there was morning, a first day.

Context: God turns his attention to the earth. God see's the earth covered in darkness so God declares "Let there be light (Upon the darkened earth). God then see's that the light that he has just declared and brings about, is good, so he then divides the light he has just declared and brings about into Day and Night (Which therefore cannot be his presence but is actual light). Unless you feel God divided his actual presence into two and named it Day and Night.
 
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No.

You clearly are not reading the text in context.

Gen 1: 2-5 Now the earth was formless and desolate,* and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep,*+ and God’s active force*+ was moving about over the surface of the waters.+3 And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light.+4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God began to divide the light from the darkness.5 God called the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.+ And there was evening and there was morning, a first day.

Context: God turns his attention to the earth. God see's the earth covered in darkness so God declares "Let there be light (Upon the darkened earth). God then see's that the light that he has just declared and brings about, is good, so he then divides the light he has just declared and brings about into Day and Night (Which therefore cannot be his presence but is actual light). Unless you feel God divided his actual presence into two and named it Day and Night.

The symbology shows the start of creation. The big bang, that is, let there be light. Who triggered it and what was the source of light if there was no light before the declaration. The language has the light come to what is described as a void that is emptyness.
The language is saying the source of light is there before it actually happens, read and study the concrete functional language of that day.
 
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So I'm not sure if I believe the earth was created literally in 7 or really 6 days and it's only like 6000 years old. I think it could be possible that God just took his time to make earth perfect for his perfect creation (well that was until they ate the apple) and maybe the bible supports what modern science tells us after all. Well me thinking this brought up another problem after I said this to my girlfriend. Now she's telling me I'm not a christian and I'm basically going to hell even though I absolutely believe that God created everything and Jesus died for our sins. Should things like this really matter what Christians believe as long as they believe God created Heaven and Earth,believe Jesus Christ died for our sins and live our lives to be as much like him as possible?
The problem...is that Time is a complete illusion.

Science will tell you on one hand that the universe is billions of years old, and on the other hand, tell you that time is a non-existent illusion. With such schizophrenia, science is certainly no authority on the subject.

But if the illusion that science claims is true...then it really doesn't matter which illusion one chooses, whether it be 6000 years or billions.

But what does the fact of time being an illusion say of God? ... It says, EXACTLY what He says of Himself: He doesn't say I was, I am, I will be...He just says "I am."...which of course is [time]less. He also said He "created" Time, meaning He made the whole thing up...and He made it in His "image", meaning it is a mere image, a picture...an illusion.

BUT...having said all that...we must remember that even though God may have made up this illusion to show a picture of things...this is His story (history)...and because He is real, the story...is real. He's God.

So, pick your preferred illusion story...and no one can [factually] tell you, you are wrong. :)
 
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Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. The age of the earth is immaterial. What modern science says is immaterial.
That's it in a nutshell. And a further warning to those who refuse to believe (Jn 3:36): He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
 
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Should things like this really matter what Christians believe as long as they believe God created Heaven and Earth,believe Jesus Christ died for our sins and live our lives to be as much like him as possible?

It matters if you're driling for oil or mining for minerals.
 
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Just as Evolution is a myth, Theistic Evolution is equally a myth. We either believe the Bible as it is written, or we dismiss it altogether as mythology and fables. There is no middle ground.

Oh please. For me, the earth is 4.5 billion years old, Genesis is an allegory, and Jesus is our savior. It's not that difficult.
 
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Oh please. For me, the earth is 4.5 billion years old, Genesis is an allegory, and Jesus is our savior. It's not that difficult.

Scientists are recently finding soft tissue such as red blood cells, blood vessels, and bone tissue of dinosaurs from previously dug-up bones.

Note, these bones weren't found on ice, they were dug up from dry ground in non-permafrost conditions! They weren't mummified either!

The presence of Carbon-14 in dino bones means they could have walked the Earth as recently as 12,000 years ago.

Besides, how could soft tissue have survived if dinos died millions of years ago?

Revision of our history is already in order starting with the dates. The bad news is, the next major cataclysm will happen much sooner than we think.
 
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Oh please. For me, the earth is 4.5 billion years old, Genesis is an allegory, and Jesus is our savior. It's not that difficult.
If Genesis is an allegory, then the Gospel cannot be true, and there is no need for Jesus as Savior. Think it about that.
 
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The symbology shows the start of creation. The big bang, that is, let there be light. Who triggered it and what was the source of light if there was no light before the declaration. The language has the light come to what is described as a void that is emptyness.
The language is saying the source of light is there before it actually happens, read and study the concrete functional language of that day.

Your making it up as you go along and it is completely unscriptural.

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."+

There, the stars exist there is light in the universe.

After the creation of the univers which include the earth and the stars that have brought light into the universe the bible now focuses on the earth and states that it is still covered in darkness.

Gen 1: 2 Now the earth was formless and desolate,* and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep,*+ and God’s active force*+ was moving about over the surface of the waters.+3

For life to exist on earth God must remove the darkness and let the already existing light shine on the earth, and so he declares "Let there be light".

Genesis 1: 3,4 And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light.+4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God began to divide the light from the darkness.5 God called the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.+ And there was evening and there was morning, a first day.

After clearing away the darkness the light now shines onto the surface of the earth. God then divides the light into Day and Night.

This is what the bible really teaches as confirmed by the genesis text. What you state is nowhere found in scripture, you are simply giving an opinion, your making it up as you go along.
 
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Your making it up as you go along and it is completely unscriptural.

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."+

There, the stars exist there is light in the universe.

After the creation of the univers which include the earth and the stars that have brought light into the universe the bible now focuses on the earth and states that it is still covered in darkness.

Gen 1: 2 Now the earth was formless and desolate,* and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep,*+ and God’s active force*+ was moving about over the surface of the waters.+3

For life to exist on earth God must remove the darkness and let the already existing light shine on the earth, and so he declares "Let there be light".

Genesis 1: 3,4 And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light.+4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God began to divide the light from the darkness.5 God called the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.+ And there was evening and there was morning, a first day.

After clearing away the darkness the light now shines onto the surface of the earth. God then divides the light into Day and Night.

This is what the bible really teaches as confirmed by the genesis text. What you state is nowhere found in scripture, you are simply giving an opinion, your making it up as you go along.

Abstract language of today.

The cat sat on the mat.

Functional concrete language.

On the mat sat cat.

The creation was not yet (void) then Let there be light from a functional concrete language is

Let there be light the creation there. Simple language! Baby talk.
 
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Abstract language of today.

The cat sat on the mat.

Functional concrete language.

On the mat sat cat.

The creation was not yet (void) then Let there be light from a functional concrete language is

Let there be light the creation there. Simple language! Baby talk.
Abstract language of today.

The cat sat on the mat.

Functional concrete language.

On the mat sat cat.

The creation was not yet (void) then Let there be light from a functional concrete language is

Let there be light the creation there. Simple language! Baby talk.

Nice "scriptural" rebuttal there. It has become apparent that, rather than the word of God, you simply teach the philosophy of men, (the wisdom of the world which is foolishness with God 1 Cor 3:19).
 
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Nice "scriptural" rebuttal there. It has become apparent that, rather than the word of God, you simply teach the philosophy of men, (the wisdom of the world which is foolishness with God 1 Cor 3:19).

Ok your wise, I'm an amateur and I admit I don't have all the answers but I'm learning.
 
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