Oh yes there is.
That may be where it comes from, but it doesn't explain what it means now or as used in scripture.
BTW, this is the Bridge Builders' forum for Moderate Christians. What bridges do you think your broadside against the conventional Christian churches is building and with whom?
No show me in scripture and history where the modern clergy laity division came from. Jesus warned serverly against having authority and rule over others dominating them as the gentile rule was. This should not be like this in the church.
The history of how the high men exalted over all came into the church is a sad and dark history starting a bit earlier than 325 Ad with constantine but thats when it really took off.
and the bridges being built are bridges that lead back HOME, literally to gather in homes following the apostolic order from God and to allow Christ as the head to work in the body and for all to be free on any gathering to edify and minister to one another and to have a meal together and fellowship, pray and worship. The bridge is an escape from man made religion and Babylon. God tells his people to come out of her . And yes we would need a whole thread to discuss Babylon the Great Mother of harlots. But know this, that Gods people are in Her and he says for them to come out. The word the Great, seems to express the worldwide expanse of this confusing religious system.
and as far as my "broadside against the conventional religious systems. it is not a broadside. I come strait forward with truth, it is like a sharp two edged sword or a shaking from the word to let all things that can be shaken be shaken so that all we see is the glorious image of Christ
For far too long have exalted men taken from the believers and fed themselves often and bound believers up under their money laws and drawing men unto them. In their castles and huge cathedral structures they sit as Lords over the flock and they take such high titles, as reverend or master of Divinity, or his holiness etc.
This call is for a total reformation of the gathering of believers, I truly believe that Jesus stands out side knocking wanting to come into believers in the midst of them and sup with them and to participate with them. Ephesians 4:15,16
and i ask you as i have asked others
show me one verse that says ( or even remotely says) that there is one man over a entire church called the pastor, and that he gets a regular salary.
And I am not talking about history, or so called "church fathers", or traditions of men. Scripture, from the apostolic order in the NT is what I seek. I have many scriptures that say the opposite of a one man pastor gift over the whole church.
I want to see this one man ministry called The Pastor", in scripture over all and getting a salary. Specifically I speak of the man who dominates all christendom, not teachers evangelist apostles, prophets etc, but that Pastor role.
what I find amazing and I marvel at it. is how so many people when they see the clear scriptures i give and the biblical order and joy of body ministry under Christ headship and all care for one another, no one man getting paid over all. They argue and defend their tradition, often just simply denying scripture and the clear exhortations from it. How many think that they are rich and increased with goods and have need of NOTHING. If Jesus was knocking they would say, what were doing great.
