MArtial arts has no place in a holy Spirit filled life

Alithis · May 6, 2015

Boidae said:
You are forgetting the other person's free will which God is not going to go against. I trust God that he will give me the strength to defend my family against aggressors. What kind of husband would I be if I allowed my wife or children to be injured or worse when I stood there and did nothing, when I could have done all I can to keep them from harm? If my wife was to divorce me because of something like that, I would probably help her to do so, because I am not much of a husband if I allowed them to come to harm.

What is martial arts mainly considered?

It's used for self defense. At least when I had started to take a course in Tae Kwon Do back in college that is what was said time and time again. If is for self defense or defense of others only. It is never used to start a fight. I never finished the class as my class load was too high and I had to drop it.

and after you became a Christian ( A follower of the lord Jesus ,devoted to him in love, laying down your own life and will to seek him and his will from hence forth ,baptized into his Kingdom to do the work he has planed for you to do before the foundation of the world ).. at what point did you take it to the lord in prayer and ask him ? you have not yet displayed that you even care what HIS will is ...
and the same question applies .. the topic is after all "martial arts has no place in a Holy Spirit filled life ".. (and are you a spirit filled believer?-if so,then please show me from scripture what rightful place it has ... !

please, tell me why i should not trust God instead of the arm of flesh ,.. please tell me when it became too difficult for God to look after me and my family when all things which are possible for God suddenly became .. God cant be trusted so i need to train in self defense and do it myself ?
where are these things in the bible ?what would you have me do ? cast off faith because Gods not big enough to look after us ?

shall we lean on the pride of the flesh?..where will all your training & efforts be when you are 90 and frail and helpless ..will your high ideals of self efforts still apply then ? shall the 5 yr old child stave off the attacker with the strength of the arm ?
what would you have me teach my family ? that God cannot be trusted ?that he cannot defend us ? and if he cant do that he probably cant provide nor heal nor deliver nor save ..no we must do all these things ourselves -for if we cannot trust him in one area how can we truly trust him in any part of life .

No ! I will trust in the lord and not in the arm of the flesh .

Psalm 28:7
The Lord is my strength and my shield; in him my heart trusts, and I am helped; my heart exults, and with my song I give thanks to him.

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.

Psalm 118:8
It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man.(includes self being a man)

Isaiah 12:2
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and will not be afraid; for the Lord God is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation.

Psalm 118:14
The Lord is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.

Psalm 118:6
The Lord is on my side; I will not fear. What can man do to me?

Boidae · May 6, 2015

Alithis said:
and after you became a Christian ( A follower of the lord Jesus ,devoted to him in love, laying down your own life and will to seek him and his will from hence forth ,baptized into his Kingdom to do the work he has planed for you to do before the foundation of the world ).. at what point did you take it to the lord in prayer and ask him ? you have not yet displayed that you even care what HIS will is ...
and the same question applies .. the topic is after all "martial arts has no place in a Holy Spirit filled life ".. (and are you a spirit filled believer?-if so,then please show me from scripture what rightful place it has ... !

please, tell me why i should not trust God instead of the arm of flesh ,.. please tell me when it became too difficult for God to look after me and my family when all things which are possible for God suddenly became .. God cant be trusted so i need to train in self defense and do it myself ?
where are these things in the bible ?what would you have me do ? cast off faith because Gods not big enough to look after us ?

shall we lean on the pride of the flesh?..where will all your training & efforts be when you are 90 and frail and helpless ..will your high ideals of self efforts still apply then ? shall the 5 yr old child stave off the attacker with the strength of the arm ?
what would you have me teach my family ? that God cannot be trusted ?that he cannot defend us ? and if he cant do that he probably cant provide nor heal nor deliver nor save ..no we must do all these things ourselves -for if we cannot trust him in one area how can we truly trust him in any part of life .

No ! I will trust in the lord and not in the arm of the flesh .

Psalm 28:7
The Lord is my strength and my shield; in him my heart trusts, and I am helped; my heart exults, and with my song I give thanks to him.

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.

Psalm 118:8
It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man.(includes self being a man)

Isaiah 12:2
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and will not be afraid; for the Lord God is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation.

Psalm 118:14
The Lord is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.

Psalm 118:6
The Lord is on my side; I will not fear. What can man do to me?

You do love to ignore statements that prove you are wrong, don't you? Your also love to presume so much about someone and bear false witness against them. That Michaelmynameis is sin.

Would you even believe me if i said that I took it to prayer and what I received was in self defense only and in the defense of your family and other innocents? Must I tell you everytime I take something to prayer? What authority in my life do you claim to have for such power over my life?

So I receive that revelation by the Holy Spirit by faith, and that which is of faith is not sin.

I am in the clear.

Alithis · May 6, 2015

Boidae said:
You do love to ignore statements that prove you are wrong, don't you? Your also love to presume so much about someone and bear false witness against them. That Michaelmynameis is sin.

Would you even believe me if i said that I took it to prayer and what I received was in self defense only and in the defense of your family and other innocents? Must I tell you everytime I take something to prayer? What authority in my life do you claim to have for such power over my life?

So I receive that revelation by the Holy Spirit by faith, and that which is of faith is not sin.

I am in the clear.

read above ..i already said i will believe you .. state such a thing in the name of the lord Jesus and let your yes be yes and your no be no.. -if one is going to insinuate ambiguously they have done a thing..the they will have no problem stating it openly if it be true .
and as stated -that which is not of faith is sin.. but of faith in whom? God .or ones own abilities ?
why so defensive .Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? "If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up?

but no one has offered testimony ..no one has said they took it to the lord in prayer ..no one has testified of it .. so it seems that everyone is trying to convince me they have not inquired of the lord but rather do whatever pleases themselves according to their own will in this matter of martial arts .
and then they defend it Almost vehemently ..

Whats the problem .. are we not ones who love the lord Jesus ,are we not ones who ,in love for him, will do whatever he desires of us and not seek to please ourselves but our Lord and God ?
that martial arts has no place in a Holy Spirit filed life is an obvious point .

if you disagree then show from scripture where its place is .
but it is not in scripture ,it is worldly .
trust God ..love Him first and only

Dave-W · May 6, 2015

Alithis - what do you think of packing a 9 mil semi-auto? (assuming it is legal in your jurisdiction)

Would that not be the current day equvalent of Our Lord telling the disciples to go buy a sword?

Boidae · May 6, 2015

Alithis said:
read above ..i already said i will believe you .. state such a thing in the name of the lord Jesus and let your yes be yes and your no be no.. -if one is going to insinuate ambiguously they have done a thing..the they will have no problem stating it openly if it be true .
and as stated -that which is not of faith is sin.. but of faith in whom? God .or ones own abilities ?
why so defensive .Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? "If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up?

but no one has offered testimony ..no one has said they took it to the lord in prayer ..no one has testified of it .. so it seems that everyone is trying to convince me they have not inquired of the lord but rather do whatever pleases themselves according to their own will in this matter of martial arts .
and then they defend it Almost vehemently ..

Whats the problem .. are we not ones who love the lord Jesus ,are we not ones who ,in love for him, will do whatever he desires of us and not seek to please ourselves but our Lord and God ?
that martial arts has no place in a Holy Spirit filed life is an obvious point .

if you disagree then show from scripture where its place is .
but it is not in scripture ,it is worldly .
trust God ..love Him first and only

Yes, I took it to God in prayer and what I received was in self defense, and in defense of my family and the innocent. By Jesus name I state this.

Boidae · May 6, 2015

Also read my signature, read John 15:13.

I have used that as my signature ever since I prayed about what we have been speaking about. Along with what I received, I was given this verse as confirmation from the Lord.

hislegacy · May 6, 2015

Alithis said:
if bowing down is not an act of giving worth (worship) and an act of being submissive to something other then God [\B]..then prove it . save it for the lord Jesus only and do not do it any more .. wont be a problem .
put the claims to action .. actions speak louder the words .

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Im done, it's obvious if I have said it four times, it will not be heard the fifth sixth or seventh.

As to act of being submissive.

Do we follow directions of Police officers? Do we submit ourselves to our bosses? Do we have a job? Why? Don't we trust God to supply our needs. Has our employer or government taken the place of God for provision?

Alithis · May 6, 2015

DaveW-Ohev said:
Alithis - what do you think of packing a 9 mil semi-auto? (assuming it is legal in your jurisdiction)

Would that not be the current day equvalent of Our Lord telling the disciples to go buy a sword?

who cares what i say.. live by it ..die by it .. -its what the lord says that matters

Alithis · May 6, 2015

Boidae said:
Yes, I took it to God in prayer and what I received was in self defense, and in defense of my family and the innocent. By Jesus name I state this.

so to clarify - you went to the lord in prayer and he told you to continue in the ways and practices and philosophies of an eastern religion ?
but thats not what you said is it .

what you said it - "what I received was in self defense, and in defense of my family and the innocent"
so I believe it is what you received.. but what did the Lord say ?

Alithis · May 6, 2015

Simply Put said:
Im done, it's obvious if I have said it four times, it will not be heard the fifth sixth or seventh.

As to act of being submissive.

Do we follow directions of Police officers? Do we submit ourselves to our bosses? Do we have a job? Why? Don't we trust God to supply our needs. Has our employer or government taken the place of God for provision?

have a look at the picture some are presenting me ..
to get so upset because someone suggests you do not bow down on your knees and then bow your head to the floor ...because it is an act of worship .
-speaks very clearly .

if it had no worth in ones life -one would not care about it ,but the fact that one cares so deeply, displays one holds the act in high regard, one ascribes it a great amount of worth in their life ..and that .. is worship. one is devoted to it and devoted to defending it in their life . but it is not the Spirit of God because he only ever glorifies the lord Jesus .he will not ever lead us to bow our head to the ground subservient to another (and even pay money to do so )
if it has no worth to person then they would not hesitate to say ..i love you lord Jesus i didn't realize i was bowing to other things ..i will not do it any more ..
that is the usual response when a person loves the lord Jesus above all else.
this is how we avoid being demonically tangled by honey traps ,changed in appearance to look nice and chrsitian ..but they are snares .
life in the Holy Spirit-walking filled with the Holy Spirit has no need of the arm of the flesh .we are not unawares of the wiles of the devil .

" For my eyes are toward You, O GOD, the Lord; In You I take refuge; do not leave me defenseless. Keep me from the jaws of the trap which they have set for me, And from the snares of those who do iniquity. Let the wicked fall into their own nets, While I pass by safely."psalm 141

its about loving the lord JESUS above all else in every area of our life ..
remember that -for he gace up everything to die on that cross for us .. why would we even consider not giving up something as fickle and as spiritually useless (though spiritually effective by the enemy) as martial arts .

i would rather be on my knees under the anointing of the presence of the Holy Spirit any day ,then spend a second on my knees in a dojo emptying my mind for every manner of evil spirit to fill it ..( do not presume to think the devil does not use every opening he can delude his way into )
we are to be filled with the Spirit of the Living God - is that not why we post in the charismatic "spirit filled " forums "? because we are people who believe in being Filled with the Holy Spirit and walking under the lord ship of JESUS by listening to and obeying the Holy Spirit .because we care more for his will then our own..
it is all about love for him and that Jesus is Lord .. not I am lord .

we will not lose anything by ceasing martial arts and denouncing it .we will only gain more of the one true living and eternal God .
ands that is what life in the Holy Spirit is all about , being ever sanctified ..we are saved by grace that we may grow in it ,that we may then go on to be transformed into the image of Christ Jesus and thereby do in the world what he did in the world and greater . not remain stagnant

hislegacy · May 6, 2015

Alithis said:
have a look at the picture some are presenting me ..
to get so upset because someone suggests you do not bow down on your knees and then bow your head to the floor ...because it is an act of worship .
-speaks very clearly .

Please also have a look at the picture being presented. And I'll state a fourth time -I'm not mad nor upset - getting frustrated, but anger is not part of the equation at this time.

To state plainly now FIVE TIMES that bowing is not an act of worship and the response given saying time and again it is without a doubt being ignored and it gets frustrating.

The practice makes discussion impossible. That is why I am bowing out. In my opinion, this is not discussion, but pontification.

Good luck with your quest.

Boidae · May 6, 2015

Alithis said:
so to clarify - you went to the lord in prayer and he told you to continue in the ways and practices and philosophies of an eastern religion ?
but thats not what you said is it .

what you said it - "what I received was in self defense, and in defense of my family and the innocent"
so I believe it is what you received.. but what did the Lord say ?

I believe I have already said I do not know any martial arts. The fighting that I do know is the fighting that you learn as a child.

I told you what the Lord said, I also said it by Jesus' name. Did you not read that? I also told you the verse that was given to me for confirmation. It is in everyone of my posts that I make.

I will gladly lay my life down if it comes to it in order to protect my family. I would be fulfilling Jesus' own words in John 15:13.

If you're going to continue to question me, even after I told you the way you wanted it told, then our dialogue will end.

I am also going to forgive you for beating false witness against me in the pm that you sent. I was not the one that contacted you via pm, that was you who initiated.

Alithis · May 6, 2015

Simply Put said:
Good luck with your quest.

how many times .since your into counting , have i simply said martial arts has no place in a Holy Spirit filed life . and how many times has any one shown from scriptures that it does ?

you keep saying don't make it personal . then you keep making it personal..
address the topic . if you agree ,agree. if you disagree ..then show from the Scriptures what part it plays in a Holy Spirit filled life .

we only defend that which we love in our lives .

Alithis · May 6, 2015

Boidae said:
I believe I have already said I do not know any martial arts. The fighting that I do know is the fighting that you learn as a child.

I told you what the Lord said, I also said it by Jesus' name. Did you not read that? I also told you the verse that was given to me for confirmation. It is in everyone of my posts that I make.

I will gladly lay my life down if it comes to it in order to protect my family. I would be fulfilling Jesus' own words in John 15:13.

If you're going to continue to question me, even after I told you the way you wanted it told, then our dialogue will end.

I am also going to forgive you for beating false witness against me in the pm that you sent. I was not the one that contacted you via pm, that was you who initiated.

i read the post ..it didnt mention what the lord said .
laying down ones life for others is fine .. But again. as iv just said . what does it have to to with martial arts not being a part of a Holy Spirit filled life ?

giving has a part has a part in a Holy Spirit filled life
reading the scriptures,
learning of God,
teaching ,
praise has a part
edification ,
exaltation,
admonition ,
adoration of the lord Jesus Has a part ,
loving the lord God and him ONLY has a part
as does prophecy, dreams, visions,(as inspired by the holy Spirit)
healing, restoration,reconciliation, words of knowledge ,interpretation of tongues ,discernment of spirits (knowing when evil spirits are at work)
ministering to one another ,speaking the truth of the lord Jesus.
love peace joy ..
all these things have a rightful part in a Holy Spirit filled life

martial arts - has no part- in living a Holy Spirit filed life .

folks are getting so uppity and defensive they are missing the topic .

Truthfrees · May 6, 2015

Jesus told us to take up a sword (martial arts, self defense arts, lethal force arts).

It'd have to be for 1. self-defense, 2. to save a life, or 3. as capital punishment.

Scripture is clear that the Lord trains our hands to war (in self defense or to save life), and HE fights FOR us in these circumstances.

According to God the sword isn't to be used for violence (loving to shed blood), or to oppress people, but to save them.

All right and wrong use of taking life is detailed in scripture.

The reason Jesus didn't want Peter to use a sword to save HIS life is because He had to die for our sins.

:clap:

"He who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." - Luke 22:36

"When those around Him saw what was going to happen, they said to Him, “Lord, shall we strike with the sword?” 50 And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. 51 But Jesus answered and said, “Permit even this.” (Allow them to take Me.) And He touched his ear and healed him." - Luke 22:49-51

"Do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54 How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?" - Matthew 25:53-54

"Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed (Capital punishment); For in the image of God He made man." - Genesis 9:6

"If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed (Self defense)." - Exodus 22:2

"He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death (Capital punishment)." - Exodus 21:16

"By these letters the king permitted the Jews who were in every city to gather together and protect their lives—to destroy, kill, and annihilate all the forces of any people or province that would assault them (Self defense), both little children and women, and to plunder their possessions." - Esther 8:11

"Blessed be the Lord my Rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle." - Psalm 144:1, Psalm 18:34

"14 Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, great and awesome, and fight for your brethren, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your houses. (Self defense) 20 Wherever you hear the sound of the trumpet, rally to us there. Our God will fight for us." - Nehemiah 4:14, 20

"Do not envy the oppressor [violent man], And choose none of his ways." - Proverbs 3:31, Proverbs 1:16, Romans 3:15

Here's a link to an article on Biblical self-defense. It explains how RIGHTLY using the sword is much different than being a violent person who's swift to shed blood: Biblical Self-Defense: What does the Bible say about self-defense? Bible study about self-defense questions: Can a Christian own a gun? What do the Scriptures say about using lethal force for self-protection?

I agree with the scriptural reasoning of these following posts.

Simply Put said:
Luke 22:36 Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.

If we are not to defend ourself - why did Jesus tell them to arm themselves?

Boidae said:
I guess the real question is, will God always keep us from harm even when it involves someone else's free will to harm us.

Back when I was a teenager is jumped by six other teenagers, one wielding a baseball bat. I guess I could have let them beat me to a bloody pulp, but I chose to defend myself. I went after the kid with the bat first add I needed to even up the odds some. By the end either they were running away or on the ground sobbing. Me, I just got a couple bruises.

I will continue to tell my kids that they aren't to ever start a fight, however they can defend themselves to keep from injury. That lesson will not change as I know what it's like to get a beating from being bullied. I will not allow my kids to know what that feels like a we cannot control another person's free will, nor do I believe God does either.

Simply Put said:
Amen!

I would gladly pay my life down for my faith. If offered physical death or renouncing my faith, my faith will stay in line.

However, if I am attacked I can and will defend myself.

Isa 1:17. God commands us to defend the fatherless

2 Chron 11:5 Rehoboam built cities for defense.

Throughout the centuries, including the first church that warriors,. Soldiers and mighty men of valor took up arms to defend themselves, the weak and their faith.

These broad brush assertions disparage and disgrace their love of God and faith. This broad approach, to sustain its validity has to ignore the ministers of the Gospel and the fruit of their ministries. It is just not a sustainable position.

Couple that with the author of the arrival having no credibility make it a religious sounding, but unsubstantiated claim.

Boidae said:
I will defend myself and family from a threat to our life and limb.

I do not believe God wants us to stand there and just let our family be slain. If that's what you want to do, by all means, go ahead. Me? Nope, I will defend us, and if I do die doing that, I will die knowing I did all I could to defend us.

We're to love our wives as Christ loved the church and gave His life for it. What part of allowing her to come to harm is us lying our lives down for her?

Boidae said:
You are forgetting the other person's free will which God is not going to go against. I trust God that he will give me the strength to defend my family against aggressors. What kind of husband would I be if I allowed my wife or children to be injured or worse when I stood there and did nothing, when I could have done all I can to keep them from harm? If my wife was to divorce me because of something like that, I would probably help her to do so, because I am not much of a husband if I allowed them to come to harm.

What is martial arts mainly considered?

It's used for self defense. At least when I had started to take a course in Tae Kwon Do back in college that is what was said time and time again. If is for self defense or defense of others only. It is never used to start a fight. I never finished the class as my class load was too high and I had to drop it.

Simply Put said:
Are there some schools that get spiritual and promote Eastern theology. Sure there are. Those are the ones we shouldn't get involved with.

However, There are numbers of others who have taken what the devil meant for bad and transformed it into a tool for God. They are still considered Martial Arts, but focus on physical training and mediating on scripture - yes, the very Word of God is being taught in these dojo's

The teaching thread point out only one side and completely ignores what Spirit filled and Spirit lead Believers are doing in the Martial Arts.

Boidae said:
Yes, I took it to God in prayer and what I received was in self defense, and in defense of my family and the innocent. By Jesus name I state this.

Alithis · May 6, 2015

here iss an example .. i give no defense for some accusations some are trying to make against me personally . because innocence needs no justification.

it is only when our conscience is uncomfortably goaded that the flesh rises up belligerently.

id some one says you should not go and see a particular movie because it dishonors God .. then i will say ..lord ? what say you .... what i wont do is say .. blah blah you can t tel me what to do i will do what I will to do -that's just a a prideful rebellious spirit .we must say .. IF the lord wills and we must pray LOrd ..THY will be done .
we must be honest and truthful before God .

it is honest and truthful to say .."martial arts has no place in a Holy Spirit filled life " for what fellowship does light have with darkness .. ? we do not invite the devil in . we do not take up fire and think we will not be burned by it .

Boidae · May 6, 2015

Alithis said:
i read the post ..it didnt mention what the lord said .
laying down ones life for others is fine .. But again. as iv just said . what does it have to to with martial arts not being a part of a Holy Spirit filled life ?

giving has a part has a part in a Holy Spirit filled life
reading the scriptures,
learning of God,
teaching ,
praise has a part
edification ,
exaltation,
admonition ,
adoration of the lord Jesus Has a part ,
loving the lord God and him ONLY has a part
as does prophecy, dreams, visions,(as inspired by the holy Spirit)
healing, restoration,reconciliation, words of knowledge ,interpretation of tongues ,discernment of spirits (knowing when evil spirits are at work)
ministering to one another ,speaking the truth of the lord Jesus.
love peace joy ..
all these things have a rightful part in a Holy Spirit filled life

martial arts - has no part- in living a Holy Spirit filed life .

folks are getting so uppity and defensive they are missing the topic .

Here is what I said, "Yes, I took it to God in prayer and what I received was in self defense, and in defense of my family and the innocent. By Jesus name I state this."

Sure looks like I said what the Lord said to me.

hislegacy · May 6, 2015

Boidae said:
Here is what I said, "Yes, I took it to God in prayer and what I received was in self defense, and in defense of my family and the innocent. By Jesus name I state this."

Sure looks like I said what the Lord said to me.

If it helps, I have heard you every time you've said it. Thank you.

I've shared before that I have the ability to conceal carry and open carry if I want to. I don't often carry, but there are times that God speaks to me about carrying my pistol. A number of years ago, it was that prompting of the Holy Spirit that saved a man's life.

Alithis · May 6, 2015

Truthfrees said:
Jesus told us to take up a sword.

It'd have to be for 1. self-defense, 2. to save a life, or 3. as capital punishment.

Scripture is clear that the Lord trains our hands to war (in self defense or to save life), and HE fights FOR us in these circumstances.

According to God the sword isn't to be used for violence (loving to shed blood), or to oppress people, but to save them.

All right and wrong use of taking life is detailed in scripture.

The reason Jesus didn't want Peter to use a sword to save HIS life is because He had to die for our sins.

"He who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." - Luke 22:36

"When those around Him saw what was going to happen, they said to Him, Lord, shall we strike with the sword? 50 And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. 51 But Jesus answered and said, Permit even this. (Allow them to take Me.) And He touched his ear and healed him." - Luke 22:49-51

"Do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54 How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?" - Matthew 25:53-54

"Whoever sheds mans blood, By man his blood shall be shed (Capital punishment); For in the image of God He made man." - Genesis 9:6

"If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed (Self defense)." - Exodus 22:2

"He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death (Capital punishment)." - Exodus 21:16

"By these letters the king permitted the Jews who were in every city to gather together and protect their livesto destroy, kill, and annihilate all the forces of any people or province that would assault them (Self defense), both little children and women, and to plunder their possessions." - Esther 8:11

"Blessed be the Lord my Rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle." - Psalm 144:1, Psalm 18:34

"14 Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, great and awesome, and fight for your brethren, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your houses. (Self defense) 20 Wherever you hear the sound of the trumpet, rally to us there. Our God will fight for us." - Nehemiah 4:14, 20

"Do not envy the oppressor [violent man], And choose none of his ways." - Proverbs 3:31, Proverbs 1:16, Romans 3:15

Here's a link to an article on Biblical self-defense. It explains how RIGHTLY using the sword is much different than being a violent person who's swift to shed blood: Biblical Self-Defense: What does the Bible say about self-defense? Bible study about self-defense questions: Can a Christian own a gun? What do the Scriptures say about using lethal force for self-protection?

I agree with the scriptural reasoning of these following posts.

and reconcile it to .. the weapons of OUR warfare are not carnal but spiritual ... we do not war against flesh and blood .. being taught to fight by the Lord under a life in the HOLY SPIRIT ..(spirit not flesh) is learning as the lord teaches us ..how to fight in the spiritual ..never the carnal .to fight flesh with flesh will only ever bear the fruits of the flesh .
try and bear witness to the love of God to the mother whose son you just killed via an aggressive defensive act (even though it be legally justified )

martial arts has usurped a place into many christian lives.. it just has no rightful place in a Holy Spirit filled life ..for we are called to walk after the Spirit (of GOD) not in the ways of the spirit of this world .
when we use the scripture to promote the outer carnal action and we ignore the eternal aspect of the Spiritual realm ..we miss the point .

Boidae · May 6, 2015

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If it helps, I have heard you every time you've said it. Thank you.

I've shared before that I have the ability to conceal carry and open carry if I want to. I don't often carry, but there are times that God speaks to me about carrying my pistol. A number of years ago, it was that prompting of the Holy Spirit that saved a man's life.

Thank you. At least I know that it wasn't invisible... lol.

MArtial arts has no place in a holy Spirit filled life

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