American Sniper movie "postponed" at Univ of Maryland by Muslim complaints

NightHawkeye said:

'American Sniper' events derailed by Muslim student complaints at University of Maryland - Washington Times

“American Sniper only perpetuates the spread of Islamophobia and is offensive to many Muslims around the world for good reason. This movie dehumanizes Muslim individuals, promotes the idea of senseless mass murder, and portrays negative and inaccurate stereotypes,” the university’s Muslim Students Association said in its petition, Fox News reported Thursday.​

The movie does not dehumanize Muslims. The movie depicts the atrocities committed by Islamists in the mideast.

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Schindler's list dehumanized Nazis.

Senator Cheese said:

Schindler's list dehumanized Nazis.

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Not entirely.

Schindler, after all, was a Nazi.

NightHawkeye said:

'American Sniper' events derailed by Muslim student complaints at University of Maryland - Washington Times

“American Sniper only perpetuates the spread of Islamophobia and is offensive to many Muslims around the world for good reason. This movie dehumanizes Muslim individuals, promotes the idea of senseless mass murder, and portrays negative and inaccurate stereotypes,” the university’s Muslim Students Association said in its petition, Fox News reported Thursday.​

The movie does not dehumanize Muslims. The movie depicts the atrocities committed by Islamists in the mideast.

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Saw the movie three times. I know it virtually word for word.

Not one of the claims that the movie is "anti" anything is true.

It's not anti-Islam. In fact, one of the most gut wrenching scenes in the film is where Kyle desperately tries to save a Muslim father and son while being pinned down by sniper fire, himself.

This scene follows the scene in which he promises to help save a Muslim family from the warlord who is terrorizing their neighborhood.

Another is where he agonizes over whether or not to kill a Muslim child who has innocently picked up a Soviet RPG.

These things are not "anti-Muslim".

To the contrary, he is trying to stop atrocities done to Muslims.

As for Maryland, I lived in Maryland for fourteen years. You see "fear the turtle" bumper stickers everywhere, referring to University of Maryland sports teams.

How am I supposed to fear somebody who has no principles, but backs down at the slightest provocation?

That somebody has an irrational fear is not a valid excuse to withdraw the screening of a movie. If people are frightened of a movie, they belong in a mental institution, not a university.

The ironic thing is that, about five minutes before I read this story on TruthRevolt, I was here, being lectured about what a bad parent I am because I don't believe college should be mandatory. The person doing the lecturing insisted my children must go to college to "open their minds". This is precisely the opposite of that. The U of M isn't teaching students to open their minds. It's teaching them to run away from anything that might be scary, thought provoking, or of another view point.

It's just one more example of American colleges infantilizing our culture and crippling students.

And, of the Muslims who believe the movie is too "pro-American", if they're not pro-American, then why are they here?

South Bound said:

And, of the Muslims who believe the movie is too "pro-American", if they're not pro-American, then why are they here?

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Not all Muslims are immigrants.

Anyway, on topic, the people protesting it probably haven't even seen it which is the ironic part.

Denny Crane said:

Not all Muslims are immigrants.

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Nobody said they are.

Anyway, on topic, the people protesting it probably haven't even seen it which is the ironic part.

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Clearly.

hmm, Muslims overseas see the sniper as killing terrorists, the US Muslims see it as killing Muslims.
Do US Muslims feel closer to extremist terrorists that say they are Muslims, more then people in country do?
hmmmm.

It just makes me appreciate Jim Harbaugh all the more. And I can't stand Michigan.

American Sniper only perpetuates the spread of Islamophobia and is offensive to many Muslims around the world for good reason. This movie dehumanizes Muslim individuals, promotes the idea of senseless mass murder, and portrays negative and inaccurate stereotypes,” the university’s Muslim Students Association said in its petition, Fox News reported Thursday.

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Those real live actions (not a movie) that dehumanizes Muslim individuals, and promotes the idea of senseless mass murder are those Muslims that dropped chemical bombs on defenseless women and children in Syria (see 60-Minutes TV broadcast of 4-19-2015)

Are the Muslim students that demonstrated against the American Sniper doing the same regarding the Muslim mass killings of innocent women and children in Syria?

I was reading about this, and they received about 250 signatures to NOT show the movie.

Is that campus not very big? I thought it was large.

brewmama said:

It just makes me appreciate Jim Harbaugh all the more. And I can't stand Michigan.

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Michigan isn’t that bad, I look at it as being on the front lines for the battle of Christian Americas heart and soul against the godless evil hordes that are invading our shores to abolish the Christian faith and establish Shia law.

He is Risen 72 said:

Michigan isn’t that bad, I look at it as being on the front lines for the battle of Christian Americas heart and soul against the godless evil hordes that are invading our shores to abolish the Christian faith and establish Shia law.

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Well good luck to them. I happen to have a husband who is devoted to Ohio State, and I have to live with him, so "officially" we're anti-Michigan.

Billnew said:

hmm, Muslims overseas see the sniper as killing terrorists, the US Muslims see it as killing Muslims.
Do US Muslims feel closer to extremist terrorists that say they are Muslims, more then people in country do?
hmmmm.

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The man who threw the shoe at Bush (a recent interview from this month):

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"I did it because of the lies coming from George Bush, who told audiences that Iraqi citizens received him with roses. I did it also because the killing of more than 1.5 million Iraqis and displacement of more than 5 million, as well as making more than 5 million children orphans and more than 5 million women widows. And all that in addition to the theft of Iraq’s national resources, destruction and the splitting up of the country."

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"My stories were focusing on the American occupation and its atrocities against Iraqis, from the killing of children to the killing of women and of the elderly. They also focused on the demolition of houses, the brutalities caused by the American troops, the raping of women, including a girl whose name is Abeer El Janabi, who was 15 years old. She was raped by American troops. Then they killed her and killed her family and burned down the house. They then planted an Iraqi Kalashnikov in the house to make it look like a sectarian killing. So this is a story I uncovered. Every day I used to go and cover similar stories such as the lack of services, the administrative corruption caused by those who came with the American occupation. With the American occupation, the Americans stigmatized us by killing one million Iraqis, without being able to fight them back. And when Iraqis resist, America paints them with the same brush of terrorism."

So...really, the people in that country saw the snipers from an invading country as people who shot the "terrorists"?

NightHawkeye said:

Noting that while proclaiming the lies from Bush, he failed to see the lies coming from the other side.

Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(SNIP) Iraq Body Count project found 174,000 Iraqis reported killed between 2003 and 2013, with between 112,000-123,000 of those killed being civilian noncombatants.​

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The report conducts a critical review of previous death toll estimates of “war on terror” casualties. It is heavily critical of the figure most widely cited by mainstream media as authoritative, namely, the Iraq Body Count (IBC) estimate of 110,000 dead. That figure is derived from collating media reports of civilian killings, but the PSR report identifies serious gaps and methodological problems in this approach.

For instance, although 40,000 corpses had been buried in Najaf since the launch of the war, IBC recorded only 1,354 deaths in Najaf for the same period. That example shows how wide the gap is between IBC’s Najaf figure and the actual death toll – in this case, by a factor of over 30.

Such gaps are replete throughout IBC’s database. In another instance, IBC recorded just three airstrikes in a period in 2005, when the number of air attacks had in fact increased from 25 to 120 that year. Again, the gap here is by a factor of 40.

According to the PSR study, the much-disputed Lancet study that estimated 655,000 Iraq deaths up to 2006 (and over a million until today by extrapolation) was likely to be far more accurate than IBC’s figures. In fact, the report confirms a virtual consensus among epidemiologists on the reliability of the Lancet study.

Despite some legitimate criticisms, the statistical methodology it applied is the universally recognised standard to determine deaths from conflict zones, used by international agencies and governments."

Unworthy victims: Western wars have killed four million Muslims since 1990 | Middle East Eye

NightHawkeye said:

I noted that this biased reference also stated that western war on Muslims began with the 1991 invasion of Iraq. Somehow they forgot that that war was started by Saddam Hussein ... but oh well. It provides another 12 years of inflated casualty totals. It's for God's cause, right?

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Did you also happen to note the reference? Referring to Physicians for Social Responsibility, the "Nobel Peace Prize-winning doctors' group", the site mentions that PSR's report "is authored by an interdisciplinary team of leading public health experts, including Dr. Robert Gould, director of health professional outreach and education at the University of California San Francisco Medical Center, and Professor Tim Takaro of the Faculty of Health Sciences at Simon Fraser University."

and that "The PSR report is described by Dr Hans von Sponeck, former UN assistant secretary-general, as “a significant contribution to narrowing the gap between reliable estimates of victims of war, especially civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan and tendentious, manipulated or even fraudulent accounts".

Here's a link to the report:
http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/body-count.pdf

Feel free to read through their evidence.

Among it:

"According to the Najaf governorate's spokesperson Ahmed Di'aibil (member of the Supreme Islamic Coucil of Iraq), in this city alone, which has a population close to 600,000, 40,000 non-identified corpses were buried since the start of the war. The IBC database documents only 1,354 victims in Najaf.

.......The IBC estimates are also much lower than the numbers that were repeatedly published by the UN, which were based on the numbers from hospitals and morgues communicated by the Iraqi Ministry of Health. These reports are available only for certain years or quarter years, since the occupying power repeatedly banned the transmission of these figures. For 2006, the UN Assistance Mission for Iraq (UNAMI) put the total number of those murdered at 34,500; IBC gave a "maximum" of 23,000 for the same year."

I wonder what bone you'll have to pick with this group and their report.

How do they count all the people murdered by the terrorists, who hid amongst women and children, and killed them in order to blame the military?

As part of the total, right?

brewmama said:

How do they count all the people murdered by the terrorists, who hid amongst women and children, and killed them in order to blame the military?

As part of the total, right?

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Well, first of all, the suicide bombings and other indiscriminate attacks by Muslims against civilians were well-documented. Those who died at the hands of non-Muslims, on the other hand, are not nearly as documented in Western media.

Secondly, how did they count all the people murdered by the occupying forces (would you call them terrorists as well) who dropped bombs down onto women and children and blamed the Iraqis/insurgents? What about the areas that the invading forces didn't allow journalists into after reports of mass killings? They're not counted at all, right?

From pages 40-41 of the pdf linked to previously (and again in this post):

"Moreover, spot checks have shown very clearly how vast the gaps in the IBC database are - particularly among deaths for which the occupying forces were responsible.

One example is a U.S.-led attack on May 3, 2005, which was brought to public knowledge because the small U.S. aid organization No More Victims had treated one of the survivors. Little Alaa' Khalid had been severely wounded when a U.S. tank demolished her family's house in al-Qaim. Fourteen women and children were killed or wounded that afternoon; the men had not yet come home from work. Among the dead were two of Alaa's brothers and three of her cousins.

If anything, the media on that day only reported that U.S. troops had "killed nine insurgents" near al-Qaim. The Reuters news agency mentioned an additional three deaths and two wounded persons - one of them a six-year-old girl. The IBC database does not contain any evidence of this crime."

http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/body-count.pdf

NightHawkeye said:

I did. It did not enhance credibility.

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I'm not talking about the article (Unworthy Victims) but the PSR pdf about the body count. What qualms do you have with their report? Why are you more willing to accept IBC's versions despite what PSR (a group of physicians) released in this recent report that has been praised by former UN assistant secretary-general?

Already provided.

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No, actually, it hasn't been provided.