Doctors, Vaccines, Revoking Doctors License and Free Speech

Drekkan85 · Feb 14, 2015

MachZer0 said:
I don't see the unfortunate circumstances of one person as sufficient cause to deny liberty to another.

I recall a line about swing fists and hitting noses....

MachZer0 · Feb 14, 2015

Drekkan85 said:
I recall a line about swing fists and hitting noses....

Doesn't apply. Swinging a fist requires an action, not getting a vaccination is a non-action

OGM · Feb 14, 2015

I wonder what percentage of anti-vaxxers are against ALL vaccines? I know some of them just don't like the MMR.

Drekkan85 · Feb 14, 2015

MachZer0 said:
Doesn't apply. Swinging a fist requires an action, not getting a vaccination is a non-action

It involves a choice to not get vaccinated.

MachZer0 · Feb 14, 2015

Drekkan85 said:
It involves a choice to not get vaccinated.

That's called liberty

Audacious · Feb 14, 2015

MachZer0 said:
That's called liberty

Move to Somalia, where there's all the liberty you want; you can do virtually anything if you have enough money and weapons.

There aren't even any pesky police or paved roads to get in your way.

MachZer0 · Feb 14, 2015

Audacious said:
Move to Somalia, where there's all the liberty you want; you can do virtually anything if you have enough money and weapons.

There aren't even any pesky police or paved roads to get in your way.

Perhaps it's you who should move to Somalia rather than try to restrict the liberties of Americans

blueapplepaste · Feb 14, 2015

MachZer0 said:
Perhaps it's you who should move to Somalia rather than try to restrict the liberties of Americans

No, we're trying to restrict disease outbreaks that have zero business happening were it not for a bunch of scientifically illiterate people.

MachZer0 · Feb 14, 2015

blueapplepaste said:
No, we're trying to restrict disease outbreaks that have zero business happening were it not for a bunch of scientifically illiterate people.

Forcing people to submit to a medical procedure they don't want is a tyrannical method for restricting disease. Odd though isn't it, that when proposals were made to quarantine men with AIDS and do contact tracing, the same people who want to restrict liberty now were all opposed to those restrictions then

Drekkan85 · Feb 14, 2015

MachZer0 said:
Forcing people to submit to a medical procedure they don't want is a tyrannical method for restricting disease. Odd though isn't it, that when proposals were made to quarantine men with AIDS and do contact tracing, the same people who want to restrict liberty now were all opposed to those restrictions then

Smallpox.

Also this is something that is safe and without major negative effects which would be involved with your quarantine methods.

NotreDame · Feb 14, 2015

MachZer0 said:
C, S. Lewis: Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

Fantastic poetic and beautiful rhetoric that does absolutely nothing to resolve the issue. Mandatory vaccinations has absolutely nothing to do with the notion of "moral busybodies." Limiting the free speech rights of doctors to preclude them from making false medical claims and assertions to patients similarly doesn't constitute as "moral busybodies."

super animator · Feb 14, 2015

MachZer0 said:
That's called liberty

No, it's called stupidity.

MachZer0 · Feb 15, 2015

NotreDame said:
Fantastic poetic and beautiful rhetoric that does absolutely nothing to resolve the issue. Mandatory vaccinations has absolutely nothing to do with the notion of "moral busybodies." Limiting the free speech rights of doctors to preclude them from making false medical claims and assertions to patients similarly doesn't constitute as "moral busybodies."

I haven't made any reference to what doctors say. I'm addressing the freedom for people to choose whether or not to vaccinate their children.

MachZer0 · Feb 15, 2015

super animator said:
No, it's called stupidity.

Liberty indeed = stupidity to some people

Audacious · Feb 15, 2015

MachZer0 said:
I haven't made any reference to what doctors say. I'm addressing the freedom for people to choose whether or not to vaccinate their children.

You're talking about the freedom for people to choose whether or not to put their kids and everyone around them at needless risk for diseases which could easily be eliminated through vaccinations and herd immunity.

Last time I checked, liberty didn't typically expand to harming other people, especially children.

What if someone applied your liberty argument to seatbelts? "I'm addressing the freedom for people to choose whether or not to have their children use seatbelts in cars." You'd be against that, right?

MachZer0 · Feb 15, 2015

Audacious said:
You're talking about the freedom for people to choose whether or not to put their kids and everyone around them at needless risk for diseases which could easily be eliminated through vaccinations and herd immunity.

Last time I checked, liberty didn't typically expand to harming other people, especially children.

What if someone applied your liberty argument to seatbelts? "I'm addressing the freedom for people to choose whether or not to have their children use seatbelts in cars." You'd be against that, right?

Life is a risk. It's not the government's job to force people to take fewer risks

Audacious · Feb 15, 2015

MachZer0 said:
Life is a risk. It's not the government's job to force people to take fewer risks

So parents should be allowed to put children at needless risk? What about the child's freedom to not be purposelessly injured by a negligent parent?

MachZer0 · Feb 15, 2015

Audacious said:
So parents should be allowed to put children at needless risk? What about the child's freedom to not be purposelessly injured by a negligent parent?

What gives you the right to determine what is needless. High school football carries a risk. Ban it?. Really want to reduce risk? Ban bathtubs.

Audacious · Feb 15, 2015

MachZer0 said:
What gives you the right to determine what is needless. High school football carries a risk. Ban it?. Really want to reduce risk? Ban bathtubs.

How do you feel about child services taking kids away from their parents when the parents sexually abuse or beat them? I mean, what gives the government the right to decide what "bad parenting" is?

Blue Wren · Feb 15, 2015

MachZer0 said:
Life is a risk. It's not the government's job to force people to take fewer risks

Seat belts, speed limits - should they, be done away with also?

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