Greetings Saints , “ O.T. Theophanies vs Incarnation of Jesus; Any Different? “
God appeared as a man multiple times as recorded in the O.T.. These are commonly thought to be the Son of God in the Trinity.
How are these any different than when Jesus was born? I do not ask about the purpose/task that was done, just the essence of being both God and man.
To me they seem to be the same. The Son of God was both God and man at the same time when he appeared to Abraham as when he was born.
Question 2. When God returned to heaven after these multiple appearances in the O.T., do you think he still had his fleshy body?
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Mark 12 , (ISR)
23“In the resurrection then, when they rise, whose wife shall she be? For seven had her as wife.”
24And
יהושע answering, said to them, “Is this not why you go astray, because you do not know the Scriptures
a nor the power of Elohim?
25“For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are
as messengers in the heavens.
26“And concerning the dead, that they rise – have you not read in the book of Mosheh, at the bush, how Elohim spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the Elohim of Aḇraham, and the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Ya‛aqoḇ’?
27“He is not the Elohim of the dead,
but Elohim of the living. You, then, go greatly astray.”
28And one of the scribes coming near, hearing them reasoning together, knowing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “Which is the first command of all?”
29And
יהושע answered him, “The first of all the commands is,
‘Hear, O Yisra’ĕl, יהוה our Elohim, יהוה is one.
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Why would a Spirit filled Believer think our Master , “ The First Born from The DEAD “ would be any different than YAHshua's description in verse # 25 ? ;
Romans 8 ,
29 Because those whom He knew beforehand, He also ordained beforehand to be conformed to
the likeness of His Son, for Him to be the first-born among many brothers. ;
Hebrews 4:
13And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account.
14Therefore, since we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens,
יהושע the Son of Elohim, let us hold fast our confession.
15For we do not have a
High Priest unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who was tried in all respects as we are, apart from sin.16Therefore, let us come boldly to the throne of favour, in order to receive compassion, and find favour for timely help. ; Galatieans 4 , But when the completion of the time came, Elohim sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under Torah,
5 to redeem those who were under Torah, in order to receive the adoption as sons.
6And because you are sons, Elohim has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!”.
John 17:
11“And I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Set-apart Father, guard them in
Your Name which You have given Me, so that they might be one,
a as We are. :
20“And I do not pray for these alone, but also for those believing in Me through their word,
21so that they all might be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, so that they too might be one in Us, so that the world might believe that You have sent Me.
22“And the esteem which You gave Me I have given them, so that they might be one as We are one,
23“I in them, and You in Me, so that they might be perfected into one, so that the world knows that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
24“Father, I desire that those whom You have given Me, might be with Me where I am, so that they see My esteem which You have given Me, because You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
25“O righteous Father, indeed the world did not know You, but I knew You, and these knew that You sent Me.
26“And I have made Your Name known to them, and shall make it known,
a so that the love with which You loved Me might be in them, and I in them.”
Matthew 3:
13Then
יהושע came from Galil to Yoḥanan at the Yardĕn to be immersed by him.
14But Yoḥanan was hindering Him, saying, “I need to be immersed by You, and You come to me?”
15But
יהושע answering, said to him, “Permit it now, for thus it is fitting for us to fill all righteousness.” Then he permitted Him.
16And having been immersed,
יהושע went up immediately from the water, and see, the heavens were opened, and He saw the Spirit of Elohim descending like a dove and coming upon Him,
17and see, a voice out of the heavens, saying, “This is My Son, the Beloved, in whom I did delight.”
4:
1Then
יהושע was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tried by the devil. ,
15“Land of Zeḇulun and land of Naphtali, the way of the sea, beyond the Yardĕn, Galil of the gentiles –
16the people who sat in darkness saw a great light, and upon those who sat in the land and shadow of death, light arose to them.”
a 17From that time
יהושע began to proclaim and to say, “Repent, for the reign of the heavens has drawn near.”
Incarnation is in "one" translation "once", therefore it's like many other's , for me it's a none "word". ( [SIZE=+1]Noun,3952,parousia> [/SIZE]
see COMING (Noun), No. 3.)
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1 Corinthians 15:27For “He has put all under His feet.” But when He says “all are put under Him,” it is clear that He who put all under Him is excepted.
28And when all are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself shall also be subject to Him who put all under Him,
in order that Elohim be all in all.
29Otherwise, what shall they do who
are immersed for the dead, if the dead are not raised at all? Why indeed are they immersed for the dead?
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There's no "flesh" persons in Pardise !
There is ONE ELOHIM YAH , HalleluYAH !
