An argument against God

Just because you like a statement does not make it true.

I find both one and 2 dubious statements.

AskTheFamily said:

(1)If God exists, it would be a favor if humanity knew he existed beyond doubt.
(2) God can prove his existence beyond doubt.
(3) God being all benevolent would want to be bestow the favor of being knowing beyond doubt by all of humanity.
(4) He is not known beyond doubt by all of humanity.
(5) Therefore God doesn't exist.

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Wow. So many errors.

First of all, your first premise is based on your assumption that God wants everyone to know He exists. The Bible tells us that every already knows He exists.

Second, your third premise assumes God is "all benevolent" and that He has an obligation to do mankind a "favor". He is not and does not.

Therefore, your syllogism doesn't disprove the existence of God. It merely shows that God does not operate according to your approval.

AskTheFamily said:

What about Atheists and agnostics?

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What about them?

Well if he is ultimately great, then he is ultimately kind. That much is a given.

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First, you didn't say "ultimately kind". You said "all benevolent". That's very, very different.

Second, why must He be kind to be great?

Third, why must He be kind to the exclusion of all other attributes?

Fourth, define "kind".

AskTheFamily, I'm not going to bother to respond if you're not going to answer my questions. I got into this for a conversation, not an interrogation.

South Bound said:

The Bible tells us that every already knows He exists.

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So what? You must assume his existence in order to value that message. Logical fallacy.

South Bound said:

Second, your third premise assumes God is "all benevolent" and that He has an obligation to do mankind a "favor". He is not and does not.

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Then why worship him, and why quote The Bible in which Jesus DOES make that claim.
Are you advocating the worship of a God who's actions are despotic, selfish, mad and murderous?

South Bound said:

Therefore, your syllogism doesn't disprove the existence of God. It merely shows that God does not operate according to your approval.

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You are merely paraphrasing "God works in mysterious ways"
If so, nobody get's to claim they know how or even IF he works at all.

Too many assumptions made in your argument.

MehGuy said:

Too many assumptions made in your argument.

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I think that depends on who's version of God it applies-to, which wasn't stated.

VeroObscura said:

So what? You must assume his existence in order to value that message. Logical fallacy.

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OK. I'll bite: Why is that a logical fallacy?

Then why worship him, and why quote The Bible in which Jesus DOES make that claim.

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Please quote the verse in which Jesus makes that claim.

Are you advocating the worship of a god who's actions are despotic, selfish, mad and murderous?

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No. I'm advocating the worship of God.

You are merely paraphrasing "God works in mysterious ways"

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No. "God works in mysterious ways" is "God works in mysterious ways". "God works in ways you do not approve of" is "God works in ways you do not approve of", not "God works in mysterious ways".

And even if I had said "God works in mysterious ways", the point that his argument that God does not exist is fallacious would still stand because it still remains that God can exist and "work in mysterious ways".

Like the arguments for God, this one assumes too much.

AskTheFamily said:

(1)If God exists, it would be a favor if humanity knew he existed beyond doubt.
(2) God can prove his existence beyond doubt.
(3) God being all benevolent would want to be bestow the favor of being knowing beyond doubt by all of humanity.
(4) He is not known beyond doubt by all of humanity.
(5) Therefore God doesn't exist.

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For the way I know God, these arguments just do not work. A spiritual journey is not about God proving His existence. That perspective is upside down. It's really is about our proving to own self the existence of God.

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AskTheFamily said:

(1)If God exists, it would be a favor if humanity knew he existed beyond doubt.
(2) God can prove his existence beyond doubt.
(3) God being all benevolent would want to be bestow the favor of being knowing beyond doubt by all of humanity.
(4) He is not known beyond doubt by all of humanity.
(5) Therefore God doesn't exist.

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Sounds like one of William Lane Craig's arguments, only in reverse.

I wouldn't worry too much about the premises. You hear so much unsubstantiated stuff about God, that it's only fair to return the favour.

And as an aside, the premises sound good to me. I am almost sure I've heard all of them before (and their opposites) before.

dlamberth said:

For the way I know God, these arguments just do not work. A spiritual journey is not about God proving His existence. That perspective is upside down. It's really is about our proving to own self the existence of God.

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While the OP's post is not a great argument in my opinion, this is not about a spiritual journey it is about whether something is actually TRUE or not, or whether it can be known to be true.

AskTheFamily said:

(1)If God exists, it would be a favor if humanity knew he existed beyond doubt.
(2) God can prove his existence beyond doubt.
(3) God being all benevolent would want to be bestow the favor of being knowing beyond doubt by all of humanity.
(4) He is not known beyond doubt by all of humanity.
(5) Therefore God doesn't exist.

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The igtheist in me requires you to define "God" before I even consider your argument.