Study: 38% of Private Employers to Cut Jobs if Wage Increase

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Now that's a solution I haven't heard.

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They can do what a lot of illegal aliens do. Double up on living quarters, work two jobs, have as many family members as possible work. Or they can do what a lot of us did. Get a job that pays more than minimum wage
 
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The employment crisis began when companies started sending jobs overseas. Outsourcing started a horrible domino effect in the American economy. To me, that is the single biggest hurdle the US needs to overcome, because it is a problem that continues. When the job market is scarcer, people take minimum wage jobs. Who can live on such a paycheck? But, the solution isn't raising the minimum wage, it's getting government out of the way of organic business growth and bringing jobs back to America.

My pennies worth. :)

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The egocentrism just baffles me.

"You can get ahead, who cares about the people who will do the job you can't afford to keep? Let them suffer and collect your paycheck so that you can keep your standard of living, they will just have to settle for the crumbs."
 
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I tend to chuckle like a little girl, every time mach suggest that those who are struggling on minimal wage "Get a job that pays more than minimal wage".
Right, as it it were easy to get one in the first place.

I should trademark that.
I chuckle( admittedly not like a little girl) when people act like they've never heard of working your way up :doh:
 
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So how does that work in Randland?

1. Get government out of way
2.
3. Jobs come back to America
4. Profit!

I'm not a Bush supporter, but the first thing he did as president, before all of the terrible things he did, was to cut taxes, offer tax incentives for businesses, and cut government regulations. The result was record growth.

What happened in the 80s under Reagan? Same thing.

You know all those jobs Emperor Obama keeps bragging about "creating"? Most of them are coming from Texas, which is extremely business friendly.

It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that when businesses have fewer regulatory and tax restrictions, they grow.

The one question nobody in the Obama cabal is asking, that they should be asking, is how can we make America a place that encourages businesses to grow. Why isn't anybody in Washington asking themselves what Texas is doing right and how to copy that?

But, of course, they ll never ask that because, to them, business and industry and entrepreneurs are the bad guys.

I tend to chuckle like a little girl, every time mach suggest that those who are struggling on minimal wage "Get a job that pays more than minimal wage".
Right, as it it were easy to get one in the first place.

I should trademark that.

Why does it have to be easy? That's the part I don't get. Why can't they work hard?

Do minimum wage workers have any responsibility to help themselves?

Your attitude is a perfect example of how the participation trophy generation is going to destroy our republic and our society.
 
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I'm not a Bush supporter, but the first thing he did as president, before all of the terrible things he did, was to cut taxes, offer tax incentives for businesses, and cut government regulations. The result was record growth.

What happened in the 80s under Reagan? Same thing.

You know all those jobs Emperor Obama keeps bragging about "creating"? Most of them are coming from Texas, which is extremely business friendly.

It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that when businesses have fewer regulatory and tax restrictions, they grow.

The one question nobody in the Obama cabal is asking, that they should be asking, is how can we make America a place that encourages businesses to grow. Why isn't anybody in Washington asking themselves what Texas is doing right and how to copy that?
I'm an Australian, so it's not that I don't believe you, I'm just unfamiliar with the changes to business tax rates. Any chance you have a graph of how they've grown and shrunk under different admins?
 
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I chuckle( admittedly not like a little girl) when people act like they've never heard of working your way up :doh:

Everyone who has worked Minimum Wage does want to move up.

The issue is that there are few opportunities. As there are fewer jobs and more people looking for a job then available. Additionally, the job market is over saturated with baby boomers that are working past retirement, holding up higher positions for the 20 and early 30 year olds of today that desperately need those positions to open.
 
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I'm not a Bush supporter, but the first thing he did as president, before all of the terrible things he did, was to cut taxes, offer tax incentives for businesses, and cut government regulations. The result was record growth.

What happened in the 80s under Reagan? Same thing.

You know all those jobs Emperor Obama keeps bragging about "creating"? Most of them are coming from Texas, which is extremely business friendly.

It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that when businesses have fewer regulatory and tax restrictions, they grow.

The one question nobody in the Obama cabal is asking, that they should be asking, is how can we make America a place that encourages businesses to grow. Why isn't anybody in Washington asking themselves what Texas is doing right and how to copy that?

But, of course, they ll never ask that because, to them, business and industry and entrepreneurs are the bad guys.
Does the country really want Texas' lack of regulations? Where toxic wastewater from fracking can be dumped into municipal treatment plants illegally, or even dumped on our public roads, and the agencies here shift blame back and forth denying they are responsible? Not to mention the horrific air pollution from the petrochemical plants outside Houston.
 
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Everyone who has worked Minimum Wage does want to move up.

The issue is that there are few opportunities. As there are fewer jobs and more people looking for a job then available. Additionally, the job market is over saturated with baby boomers that are working past retirement, holding up higher positions for the 20 and early 30 year olds of today that desperately need those positions to open.
If there are few opportunities, a specious concept actually, then this is the perfect tiem to prepare one's self for opportunities to come.
 
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I'm not a Bush supporter, but the first thing he did as president, before all of the terrible things he did, was to cut taxes, offer tax incentives for businesses, and cut government regulations. The result was record growth.

Yes, in the housing bubble which then crashed and took a good portion of the worlds economy with it. Not exactly a ringing endorsement here.

What happened in the 80s under Reagan? Same thing.

Savings and loan crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You know all those jobs Emperor Obama keeps bragging about "creating"? Most of them are coming from Texas, which is extremely business friendly.

Have a citation for that?

It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that when businesses have fewer regulatory and tax restrictions, they grow.

I will agree that it is one of multiple factors that can affect business growth. But to claim that simply removing regulation and taxes will cause business to grow is wrong.

The one question nobody in the Obama cabal is asking, that they should be asking, is how can we make America a place that encourages businesses to grow. Why isn't anybody in Washington asking themselves what Texas is doing right and how to copy that?

Who says they are not?

But, of course, they ll never ask that because, to them, business and industry and entrepreneurs are the bad guys.

South Bound, if you are so deep in denial that you honestly believe democrats hate business then you might want to rethink your view of the world since you have left rationality behind.


Why does it have to be easy? That's the part I don't get. Why can't they work hard?

Do minimum wage workers have any responsibility to help themselves?

Your attitude is a perfect example of how the participation trophy generation is going to destroy our republic and our society.

Have you ever worked for minimum wage? I have and I will tell you it was not easy work. Nor would increasing minimum wage have disincentivised me from getting a better job. Why must minimum wage be so low that it is impossible to live off of it? Especially since those jobs you were touting earlier are in the service sector that tends to be on the lower end of the wage scale.
 
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Does the country really want Texas' lack of regulations? Where toxic wastewater from fracking can be dumped into municipal treatment plants illegally

How can something be illegal if there is a "lack of regulation"???
 
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Yes, in the housing bubble which then crashed and took a good portion of the worlds economy with it. Not exactly a ringing endorsement here.

Actually, no. The record growth was in the economy, not in a housing bubble.


And that has what, exactly, to do with what I said?

I will agree that it is one of multiple factors that can affect business growth. But to claim that simply easing regulatory and tax burdens will cause business to grow is wrong.

If it's wrong, then why is it working everywhere it's been tried?

Who says they are not?

I say they're not, based on the fact that, not only is there no record of anyone saying it, but also on the fact that Texas is frequently mocked and demonized in Washington.

South Bound, if you are so deep in denial that you honestly believe democrats hate business then you might want to rethink your view of the world.

Actually, I never mentioned Democrats. But it's interesting that you heard "oppressive regulation and stifling tax burden" and immediately thought of Democrats. Wonder what Freud would say about that.

Have you ever worked for minimum wage?

Yes. You asked this before and I answered you, explaining that I have worked for minimum wage before. In fact, as a bartender, I often worked for less than minimum wage.

Especially since those jobs you were touting earlier are in the service sector that tends to be on the lower end of the wage scale.

Which jobs were I touting?

:confused:

You are aware that the economy was driven by a housing bubble which crashed and caused a recession, correct?

Actually, it was industry that took advantage of those tax cuts and deductions.

You said that the same thing happened under Reagen, I was agreeing. The lack of regulation caused the S&L Crises which hit the economy hard.

So, you were "agreeing" by stating the opposite?

Simple, it's not.

I'm sure "nuh-uh" is considered to be a compelling argument on your playground, but in the world of grownups, it isn't.

Yes, because it is not a democratic administration currently.

I didn't say "the administration". I said "Washington".

Spare me the disingenuous protestations especially since you never mentioned "oppressive regulation and stifling tax burden" either.

I see. So why did you respond to it when I said it, if I didn't say it?

The ones you claim are mostly in Texas that you did not bother supporting with a citation.

Actually, I never touted any jobs in Texas. I just said that Texas is an attractive business environment.

Do you think the dumping of toxic chemicals should be legal? Of course you don't. But, who's in charge?
Down the Drain: Who’s Watching Chemicals Used in Oil Drilling?
A case of alleged dumping of possibly thousands of gallons of chemicals into Odessa’s sewer system has local officials wondering who’s supposed to police the drilling industry.

“We’re finding that there’s so much confusion in this area of law regarding who is responsible for what,”
You'll note in the article that the two major agencies are doing nothing more than passing the buck leaving prosecution of the dumping to local authorities. But hey, maybe this is just plain biblical, one hand not knowing what the other is doing.

And in the end, who is it that gets in trouble?
State Issues Fine, But Against the City, Not Oilfield Company

So far, there has been one fine issued that relates to what’s in Odessa sewage. Over a year ago, the TCEQ fined the City of Odessa $6,350 for exceeding levels of ammonia nitrogen in the wastewater released from the city’s treatment plant. Now, city officials say they believe that it was the illegal dumping of chemicals into their sewers that caused the treatment plant to malfunction, resulting in the violation.
Yup, Texas, the land of lack of regulation. Just don't drink the water, and remember the air may kill you too.

Wow. seems like an awful lot of effort just to avoid answering such a simple question.
 
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Actually, jobs were outsourced because of high taxation, restrictive regulations, and unions.
I thought it was mostly due to people in developing countries being prepared to work for a fraction of the wage?
 
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Have you ever worked for minimum wage? I have and I will tell you it was not easy work. Nor would increasing minimum wage have disincentivised me from getting a better job. Why must minimum wage be so low that it is impossible to live off of it? Especially since those jobs you were touting earlier are in the service sector that tends to be on the lower end of the wage scale.

I would like to know as well. I too have worked at minimum wage, and can tell you first hand how difficult that is.

People always want more. More money. More food. More. SO even if minimum wage was $50 people would still want more.

You can't live off of minimum wage. Period.
 
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Actually, no. The record growth was in the economy, not in a housing bubble.

:confused:

You are aware that the economy was driven by a housing bubble which crashed and caused a recession, correct?

And that has what, exactly, to do with what I said?

You said that the same thing happened under Reagen, I was agreeing. The lack of regulation caused the S&L Crises which hit the economy hard.

If it's wrong, then why is it working everywhere it's been tried?

Simple, it's not. Your confirmation bias non withstanding.


I say they're not, based on the fact that, not only is there no record of anyone saying it, but also on the fact that Texas is frequently mocked and demonized in Washington.

Ipsie dixit is not a great argument.


Actually, I never mentioned Democrats. But it's interesting that you heard "oppressive regulation and stifling tax burden" and immediately thought of Democrats. Wonder what Freud would say about that.

:doh:

Yes, because it is not a democratic administration currently. Spare me the disingenuous protestations especially since you never mentioned "oppressive regulation and stifling tax burden" either.


Yes. You asked this before and I answered you, explaining that I have worked for minimum wage before. In fact, as a bartender, I often worked for less than minimum wage.

I have never asked you this question before.

Which jobs were I touting?

The ones you claim are mostly in Texas that you did not bother supporting with a citation.
 
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How can something be illegal if there is a "lack of regulation"???
Do you think the dumping of toxic chemicals should be legal? Of course you don't. But, who's in charge?
Down the Drain: Who’s Watching Chemicals Used in Oil Drilling?
A case of alleged dumping of possibly thousands of gallons of chemicals into Odessa’s sewer system has local officials wondering who’s supposed to police the drilling industry.

“We’re finding that there’s so much confusion in this area of law regarding who is responsible for what,”
You'll note in the article that the two major agencies are doing nothing more than passing the buck leaving prosecution of the dumping to local authorities. But hey, maybe this is just plain biblical, one hand not knowing what the other is doing.

And in the end, who is it that gets in trouble?
State Issues Fine, But Against the City, Not Oilfield Company

So far, there has been one fine issued that relates to what’s in Odessa sewage. Over a year ago, the TCEQ fined the City of Odessa $6,350 for exceeding levels of ammonia nitrogen in the wastewater released from the city’s treatment plant. Now, city officials say they believe that it was the illegal dumping of chemicals into their sewers that caused the treatment plant to malfunction, resulting in the violation.
Yup, Texas, the land of lack of regulation. Just don't drink the water, and remember the air may kill you too.
 
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