Did God decree Lucifers transgression ? if so...by what means.

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Did God decree Lucifers transgression ? if so...by what means.

It is my understanding and belief that God decreed that Lucifer would transgress.

Lucifer did indeed transgress.

What means or methodology did God employ (in that decree) that His purpose for Satan would be accomplished ?

What defence is there (then) against the charge that that would make God the author of sin ?

Is a defence even necessary (required at all)...seeing that God is sovereign ?
 
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From the W.C.O.F.,

Of the Fall of Man, of Sin, and the Punishment thereof

I. Our first parents, being seduced by the subtilty and temptations of Satan, sinned, in eating the forbidden fruit.[1] This their sin, God was pleased, according to His wise and holy counsel, TO PERMIT, having purposed to order it to His own glory.[2]

Regarding your questions about God as the 'potential' author of sin I would also refer to the Westminster Confession regarding second causes of sin but it's a really deep subject as God is no doubt Sovereign over all things from alpha to omega.

Nice post, wish I had all the answers.
 
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Thanks for the reply...I appreciate your comment that the matter concerned is a really deep subject and hence quite controversial and disturbing to some. Never the less...the WCF recognises and affirms that;

The whole counsel of God, concerning all things necessary for his own glory, man’s salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men.

To continue on then with my enquiry.

The following scripture appears in your post...With him is strength and wisdom: the deceived and the deceiver are his. (Job 12:16) ... lets consider some of the implications of that statement.

It seems to me to be primarily a statement concerning ownership, not only that, but it seems to me that it is required (then) that the principle of ownership extends naturally to the means and methods employed, the devices if you will, that the deceiver employes as his tools, by which, he accomplishes his tasks, they being varied and multitudinous in their scope and degree.

It may be argued that the context confines the application to the human arena alone, and to extend it into the angelic realm removes it from the authors sphere of intent.

I contend rather, that the application of this scripture necessarily extends into the angelic realm, and most certainly incorporates Satan, his means and devices, and their application, all being inclusive in the authors sphere of intent. This is confirmed by the most extensive personal dialogue between Satan and the LORD God Almighty recorded in scripture being found in the opening chapters of job.

Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the Lord hath wrought this?
In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.
(Job 12:9-10)

Does not the argument for secondary causes, though applicable pragmatically, not obscure this fundamental ?


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Sin is anything contrary to the character of God. He is not the supporter of things contrary to his own character. In his creation he has decided to demonstrate the flaws that are in opposition to his character through his fallen creatures. When he makes all things new in absolute accordance with his character this time will be remembered as a time God was glorified in demonstrating goodness and the failures of ungoodness to his eternal family.
 
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Such a discussion necessarily depends on a right understanding of the omniscience and wisdom of God. God's omniscience isn't that He knows what will happen but that He knows the outcome of every contingency and act. He knows what can happen not just what will happen. He is aware of every outcome to every possible thing. There is nothing that is hid from Him including the ramifications of all possible actions, thoughts and motives.

His wisdom then takes that which He knows and uses it in the best possible way. Hence His decrees. If He decreed the fall of Lucifer, which of course He did, then it is for the glory of His name and the everlasting good of His people. It can be no other.
 
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Such a discussion necessarily depends on a right understanding of the omniscience and wisdom of God. God's omniscience isn't that He knows what will happen but that He knows the outcome of every contingency and act. He knows what can happen not just what will happen. He is aware of every outcome to every possible thing. There is nothing that is hid from Him including the ramifications of all possible actions, thoughts and motives.

His wisdom then takes that which He knows and uses it in the best possible way. Hence His decrees. If He decreed the fall of Lucifer, which of course He did, then it is for the glory of His name and the everlasting good of His people. It can be no other.


Excellent.
 
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