Any answers?

savedbygrace05 said:

I am interested to know what answers that humanists/atheists have for the following?

genocide, wars, murders etc...

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There are a multitude of reasons for these.

The oldest was conflict over land, because the land was hunting ground, herding pasture land or farm land. So it was an over population issue. Many birds have territories for exactly that reason; to ensure they have a food supply.

Then there is the empire building, where a dominant military finds it is easier to steal from the population of a weaker neighbour, in which case killing is not the aim but control

heck, doesn't this thread belong in history?

savedbygrace05 said:

I am interested to know what answers that humanists/atheists have for the following?

genocide, wars, murders etc...

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Humanity being a pain as usual.

savedbygrace05 said:

Not really, and your answers are hardly valid for 2014!

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Well what we have currently includes the war in Iraq and the one in Afghanistan. Both were started by Christians, Tony Blair a firm High Anglican now Catholic, and G W Bush the first Born-again and also walks daily with Jesus Christian we have had the honour to have in the White House.

They didn't do a good job of dealing with Islamic militarism.

Going behind the scenes a bit, it is about resources again, sort of like I mentioned in post 2, but it is a somewhat artificial situation because a sensible use of petroleum and the arrival of alternative energy sources makes the resource issue go away.

But if you follow US politics, it is the American Christian Fundamentalists who oppose conservation and alternative energy and, well just everything that makes sense.

If you could have a word with them, you'll most likely get accused of working for Satan and sent packing, but I'm sure you have a better chance of success than I did.

savedbygrace05 said:

Silly me! Of course! It is all the fault of Christians, Christianity
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There were wars before there were Christians. All that could reasonably be blamed on Christians is either making it worse in some cases, or failing to prevent it in others.

Probably comes out on balance about even once you include some of the World's best peacemakers such as Nelson Mandela and Mohandas Ghandi

savedbygrace05 said:

I am interested to know what answers that humanists/atheists have for the following?

genocide, wars, murders etc...

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Don't do them?



Seriously though, if you could reason with those American Christian Fundamentalists that really is the best reason for having a forum like CF

They live in the Bible belt and red states mainly, have the lowest incomes, lowest standard of education, highest divorce rates, highest murder rates and are giving both Christianity and 'Merica as they call it, a bad name, heck they're even giving guns a bad name.

I know they are very religious so I posted in Mature Singles, it's down on page 4 now 'Is there a prohibition against Christians learning about Buddhism?' in the belief that they would be interested in religion and Buddhism certainly should give them some more ideas about peace.

It didn't go down very well so I'm completely out of ideas now.

all the best, Mork

savedbygrace05 said:

I am interested to know what answers that humanists/atheists have for the following?

genocide, wars, murders etc...

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What exactly is the question? Why they exist, what do about them or something else?

You're question isn't very clear. What do you mean 'what answers' we have?

People are are sociopaths, ignorant, extremely biased, brainwashed, or overemotional so they end up killing people.

I say it is immoral (and I have reasons for thinking that), if that's what you're asking.

savedbygrace05 said:

I am interested to know what answers that humanists/atheists have for the following?

genocide, wars, murders etc...

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Believing God told them to?

Less pointedly, clashing over resources and meeting material needs, differences in ideologies, mental neglect affecting development in the case of individual murders etc.

"Sin" is a childish, oversimplistic answer, though, and humanism/atheism failing to provide an answer for something does not mean the answer asserted by the variant of Christianity that sbg05 believes in is necessarily correct

People do and have done horrific things to each other. Sometimes as a collective in support of some cause.

savedbygrace05 said:

Or, we could call it for what it is - sin.

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How is it possible for a non-believer to sin?

On the basis of your theory then, only religious types commit these terrible acts?

savedbygrace05 said:

Rom 3: 23 (God's word for all human beings, everywhere), "...for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"

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Somebody's missing the point. How can a non-believer fall into that category?

If sin isn't recognised how can an individual commit it?

King Mob said:

Somebody's missing the point. How can a non-believer fall into that category?

If sin isn't recognised how can an individual commit it?

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Excellent point, and one that I often raise. The first sentence is a very important point for all believers to consider, the second may be equated to committing a crime when the individual is unaware of such ruling. The crime is still committed.

Nige55 said:

Excellent point, and one that I often raise. The first sentence is a very important point for all believers to consider, the second may be equated to committing a crime when the individual is unaware of such ruling. The crime is still committed.

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Crime yes, I fully agree that is committed. However a `sin` whatever that IS, is not committed in the eyes of non-believers .