subtle bullying in church?

seeingeyes · Apr 18, 2013

TravelerFarAwayFromHome said:
just like i have heard many times that straight Christians refer themselves to as straight.

I have never in my life heard anyone refer to themselves as a "straight Christian". Not even someone who was vehemently anti-gay-folks. Has your experience been different?

And yes, there are many who would say that 'gay Christian' is an oxymoron, but you aren't that worried about their opinions are you. You have been washed in the blood of Christ, so the understanding of those who refuse to act like Christ should be of no hindrance to you.

But since your freedom has been granted you by Christ, you may want to consider not prefacing your 'Christian' title with anything else. Gay, straight, tall, or left-handed, nothing nothing nothing comes between us and our Lord.

It's an issues of semantics, to be sure, but it's a perspective to mull over.

God bless you, brother.

TheyCallMeDave · Apr 18, 2013

TravelerFarAwayFromHome said:
no it does not,

because this is not what I am talking about at all

I made it very clear that I am celibate.

I have nothing to repent of

I am talking about ability to be tempted, still have flesh but not give in.

no one have right to condemn other person ability to be tempted.

I have not given in, I have not sinned

Well, i think that is great you are mastering your temptations then. Glad you are celibate for the glory of God and for your own protection too.

Concerning our thought-life ; God calls us to retrain our Mind and refocus our thoughts away from things that are not good, immoral, unethical, or unpalatable ...and to work at getting good wholesome thoughts in us ... as much as it depends on us. All Christians need to get away from 'stinkin thinkin' and its a problem to everyone to some degree.

Id encourage you to try Celibrate Recovery which is national becuase they deal with such issues . It is distinctly christian .

Lastly, i didnt assert to judge another professed Christian based on temptations....but i showed scripture which says to do so based on immoral lifestyle addictive ACTION which is occuring .

While its true you dont have anything to repent of, having wrong thoughts and dwelling on them (if you do) is unpleasing to God and something we should all confess, ask forgiveness over, and seek God for victory IF we are entertaining such wrong thoughts by marinating in them . , for, the thoughts are of the lustful type whether its toward the same sex or opposite.

aiki · Apr 18, 2013

sorry, let say you are a gay Christian,

"Gay Christian" is a contradiction in terms. No where in Scripture do I encounter such a phrase. Consider the following passage:

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

The apostle Paul clearly states here that the Christian believers to whom he was writing were - past tense - adulterers, homosexual, etc. He goes on to explain that they have been "washed," and sanctified, and justified through Christ by God's Spirit. As a result, they are no longer the people they once were. Paul doesn't say that they are homosexual Christians, or adulterer Christians, or drunkard Christians. In fact, in Paul's second letter to the Corinthian church he writes,

2 Corinthians 5:17
17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

The idea of a "new creature" is that of complete metamorphosis, like the transformation of a caterpillar into a butterfly. At the moment of salvation one becomes a transformed creature, fundamentally different from the person one was before accepting Christ. There is no homosexual Christian, then; no adulterer Christian; no drunkard Christian, only new creatures in Christ in whom old things are passed away and all things are become new.

The idea that one can be a believer forever afflicted with an "orientation" toward homosexuality is, then, not in accord with God's Word.

and some of your fellow Christian knows that, and they keep saying things that make you feel uncomfortable, such as it is wrong for you keep saying you are gay Christian, because as Christians, they insist by saying you are a gay Christian, you are identify with your sinful nature, and that they believe you chose to be this way, and the fact you are still is gay is a sign that you are actively indulge your mind ( they make it sounds like you are actively checking other guys out, as if you walked in the room, you are thinking to yourself, well, I wonder who is the cutest guy in the room????)

Well, a lot of what they are saying is true. Sometimes the truth can make us extremely uncomfortable. But it is better to be made uncomfortable by the truth than put at ease by a lie. The truth, however uncomfortable, has the capacity to set a person free and to deliver them from condemnation to salvation. A lie, on the other hand, has the capacity to bind, and imprison, and cast a person into hell.

A wise man once said, "The me I see is the me I'll be." If one is constantly saying to one's self, "I am a gay Christian," one can be sure one will never be just a Christian.

and they went on insist because of that, you are not qualified to entre certain ministry in the church because you are still gay and it is a sign you are not trying your best?

Well, I don't know that it is a sign that you aren't trying your best, but identifying as a "gay Christian" indicates a certain lack of understanding about God's truth and an immaturity spiritually that warrants exclusion from leadership in ministry. I don't think you should be prevented from serving in a non-leadership capacity in the church, however.

I often find such assertions incredibly hurtful, because I am not sinning, why cant they just leave me alone? Not only that, they have to resort twisting scripture to discriminate me from serving in some capacity in church.

If you want to be "left alone," why have you entered into the community of believers, the Church?

As for twisting Scripture, well, I think that the things you're complaining about do not twist Scripture but generally stand in accord with it.

Don't get wrong, many straight Christians don't agree with this kind garbage that essentially condemns the other person for their sinful nature which they can do nothing about,

And here is where you show again that you're not well-versed in God's Truth. In fact, Scripture tells us (Ro. 6:6; Ga. 2:1; 5:24; Col. 3:3) that a believer's sin nature has been "crucified with Christ" and rendered powerless to control the believer any longer. A follower of Christ has been made "dead to sin but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." All that remains for the believer to begin to experience these truths in their daily living is to reckon them to be true. It is quite false, then, to say that nothing can be done about one's sin nature.

I guess I am writing this because I have had enough of having to deal with this kind bullying from some of my fellow Christians, and I want to get it off my chest.

This isn't bullying. This is truth-telling. Good grief! What is the world coming to when merely making a person uncomfortable with their sin is considered "bullying." If this is bullying, then God is the biggest, meanest bully in the universe! He is going to make a great many sinners extremely uncomfortable when they one day stand before Him to be judged and suffer His eternal wrath upon their sin!

This applies to gay non believers too, if church have enough grace to extends to straight non believers, and allow them to attend church and allow God to touch their heart in His own time, the same grace should be extended to gay non believers, not trying to set some of time line for them to repent in our time, not Gods time.

I agree. But while a person is still struggling with the sin of homosexuality, they should not expect to be encouraged in it or permitted access to positions of leadership within the church.

It is like this youtube video I have seen, where this preacher talking about generally church have no problem with straight non believer couples holding hands in church, but when it comes to gay non believers, all hell broke loose, why is that?

If you are asking this question, it is likely you will not comprehend the answer. Two homosexuals holding hands in a place dedicated to the worship and service of the God who condemns homosexuality is hugely inappropriate. This seems very obvious to me...

Selah.

TravelerFarAwayFromHome · Apr 18, 2013

aiki said:
"Gay Christian" is a contradiction in terms. No where in Scripture do I encounter such a phrase. Consider the following passage:

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

The apostle Paul clearly states here that the Christian believers to whom he was writing were - past tense - adulterers, homosexual, etc. He goes on to explain that they have been "washed," and sanctified, and justified through Christ by God's Spirit. As a result, they are no longer the people they once were. Paul doesn't say that they are homosexual Christians, or adulterer Christians, or drunkard Christians. In fact, in Paul's second letter to the Corinthian church he writes,

2 Corinthians 5:17
17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

The idea of a "new creature" is that of complete metamorphosis, like the transformation of a caterpillar into a butterfly. At the moment of salvation one becomes a transformed creature, fundamentally different from the person one was before accepting Christ. There is no homosexual Christian, then; no adulterer Christian; no drunkard Christian, only new creatures in Christ in whom old things are passed away and all things are become new.

The idea that one can be a believer forever afflicted with an "orientation" toward homosexuality is, then, not in accord with God's Word.

Well, a lot of what they are saying is true. Sometimes the truth can make us extremely uncomfortable. But it is better to be made uncomfortable by the truth than put at ease by a lie. The truth, however uncomfortable, has the capacity to set a person free and to deliver them from condemnation to salvation. A lie, on the other hand, has the capacity to bind, and imprison, and cast a person into hell.

A wise man once said, "The me I see is the me I'll be." If one is constantly saying to one's self, "I am a gay Christian," one can be sure one will never be just a Christian.

Well, I don't know that it is a sign that you aren't trying your best, but identifying as a "gay Christian" indicates a certain lack of understanding about God's truth and an immaturity spiritually that warrants exclusion from leadership in ministry. I don't think you should be prevented from serving in a non-leadership capacity in the church, however.

If you want to be "left alone," why have you entered into the community of believers, the Church?

As for twisting Scripture, well, I think that the things you're complaining about do not twist Scripture but generally stand in accord with it.

And here is where you show again that you're not well-versed in God's Truth. In fact, Scripture tells us (Ro. 6:6; Ga. 2:1; 5:24; Col. 3:3) that a believer's sin nature has been "crucified with Christ" and rendered powerless to control the believer any longer. A follower of Christ has been made "dead to sin but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." All that remains for the believer to begin to experience these truths in their daily living is to reckon them to be true. It is quite false, then, to say that nothing can be done about one's sin nature.

This isn't bullying. This is truth-telling. Good grief! What is the world coming to when merely making a person uncomfortable with their sin is considered "bullying." If this is bullying, then God is the biggest, meanest bully in the universe! He is going to make a great many sinners extremely uncomfortable when they one day stand before Him to be judged and suffer His eternal wrath upon their sin!

I agree. But while a person is still struggling with the sin of homosexuality, they should not expect to be encouraged in it or permitted access to positions of leadership within the church.

If you are asking this question, it is likely you will not comprehend the answer. Two homosexuals holding hands in a place dedicated to the worship and service of the God who condemns homosexuality is hugely inappropriate. This seems very obvious to me...

Selah.

so letting two heterosexual non believers holding hands is not condoning heterosexual fornication?

sin of homosexuality?

what sin, I have not given in, I have not sinned?

neither am I obsessed with homosexual thoughts day and night

nor more than you are obsessed by heterosexual thoughts towards beautiful women

a person is only an adulter if they have given in and sinned

otherwise you would be an adulter too since you can still be tempted by beautiful women

unless of course, you have leave you flesh behind already?

please, enough with the accusation that for me, sin is the norm rather than exception

you don't even know me.

TravelerFarAwayFromHome · Apr 18, 2013

seeingeyes said:
I have never in my life heard anyone refer to themselves as a "straight Christian". Not even someone who was vehemently anti-gay-folks. Has your experience been different?

And yes, there are many who would say that 'gay Christian' is an oxymoron, but you aren't that worried about their opinions are you. You have been washed in the blood of Christ, so the understanding of those who refuse to act like Christ should be of no hindrance to you.

But since your freedom has been granted you by Christ, you may want to consider not prefacing your 'Christian' title with anything else. Gay, straight, tall, or left-handed, nothing nothing nothing comes between us and our Lord.

It's an issues of semantics, to be sure, but it's a perspective to mull over.

God bless you, brother.

thank you, finally someone who is standing on the words of God

yes, now you put it this way, i'll consider it

as for the straight Christian remark, that happens in situations when I have discussion with them on certain issues, and I think used it to differentiate themselves from the gay community as well as me I guess

but you are right, they do not go around and refer themselves as straight Christiasn on a daily basis

but the point is I guess they do use it.

seeingeyes · Apr 18, 2013

TravelerFarAwayFromHome said:
thank you, finally someone who is standing on the words of God

yes, now you put it this way, i'll consider it

as for the straight Christian remark, that happens in situations when I have discussion with them on certain issues, and I think used it to differentiate themselves from the gay community as well as me I guess

but you are right, they do not go around and refer themselves as straight Christiasn on a daily basis

but the point is I guess they do use it.

Well, here's the thing. When you call yourself a 'gay Christian' your intention is to emphasize that 'gay' is not antithetical to 'Christian'.

But in the minds of some folks 'Christian' by default means 'straight Christian' (since no one calls themselves this, no matter how 'straight'), and the result is that your qualifier 'gay' in fact emphasizes that such a qualifier is necessary.

In a sense, you are doing their work for them.

So be a Christian, follow your Lord, and let the Enemy worry about how to divide the church. Your Father will sort out the wheat and the chaff in His own good time. Trust Him, even as He passes you through these flames. You will come out shining, my brother.

God bless

Spunkn · Apr 18, 2013

Think of it this way, we are not to cause weaker brothers to stumble.

What if, someone, upon hearing that there is a gay Christian in the church, decides that homosexuality is okay, because there's a gay Christian in the church. Once you decide it's okay to be labeled as a gay Christian, then others decide to be labeled that. Then someone else decides to start a church, for gay Christians. Then the entire message of what you stand for is perverted and goes horribly wrong.

This is an extreme example, but how do you want to appear to your brothers and sisters in Christ? Do you want to be a good example for them? Or do you want to make them stumble?

You can be honest about your struggles with homosexuality without having the need to label yourself as a "gay Christian". By labeling yourself as such, you are already giving power to it. Stop giving those words power over you. You are a Christian. That's the only label you need.

aiki · Apr 18, 2013

so letting two heterosexual non believers holding hands is not condoning heterosexual fornication?

No. How would one know that the heterosexual couple holding hands is fornicating? Hand-holding among heterosexuals isn't of itself wrong. It signifies an affection between a man and a woman that is perfectly in accord with God's design. Not so the homosexual who is holding hands with his partner. Just the hand-holding itself is indicative of a relationship that God condemns. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It seems very obvious to me...

sin of homosexuality?

what sin, I have not given in, I have not sinned?

Identifying as a homosexual is itself sin. God did not make anyone homosexual. Homosexuality is a demonic lie. God calls it an abomination. Why would a follower of Christ want to identify themself as something which God has so clearly despised? And what about the things I pointed out from Paul's writings to the Corinthians? He certainly did not believe there were homsexual Christians.

neither am I obsessed with homosexual thoughts day and night

nor more than you are obsessed by heterosexual thoughts towards beautiful women

Since you have absolutely no idea what the state of affairs is concerning my attitude toward beautiful women, you cannot properly make a comparison between your thoughts and mine. I am glad, though, to hear you aren't obsessing homosexually.

a person is only an adulter if they have given in and sinned

False.

Matthew 5:28
28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

unless of course, you have leave you flesh behind already?

Working on it. How about you?

please, enough with the accusation that for me, sin is the norm rather than exception

you don't even know me.

Please show me where I made this accusation in my last post.

Selah.

Inkachu · Apr 18, 2013

TravelerFarAwayFromHome said:
being tempted without given in is not sin

by not given in I meant in all sense of the word

for example, when I see an attractive men , I do not actively check him out, I do not have mental sex with him, much less physical sex.

I have not given in

I have sinned.

change?

Scripture clears says that the battles of the flesh and spirit will be an on going one until the day we die

anyone who say we are sinless are lying, the truth is not in them

change?

you do realize heterosexual orientation in itself could also lead to sin right
even I love women right now, my attraction could still lead to sin

not condemning

maybe you should start by stop falsely accuse me of sinning when I in fact have not.

being tempted without giving in is not a sin period.

Actively identifying yourself by a sinful lifestyle is not sinful in your opinion? I could call myself a "pedophile Christian" or a "stealing Christian", but if my rationale is that I don't actively indulge in the behaviors, does that mean I'm in good standing with God?

I'm starting to get confused by your back-tracking. You say you don't indulge in homosexual acts, you don't have sexual thoughts about men... then... how do you define yourself as homosexual? Is it based SOLELY on the fact that you find men attractive (though from your posts, this attraction is completely non-sexual)? I'm wondering if you're tweaking your descriptives as this conversation develops in order to continue justifying yourself.

seeingeyes · Apr 18, 2013

aiki said:
Identifying as a homosexual is itself sin. God did not make anyone homosexual. Homosexuality is a demonic lie. God calls it an abomination. Why would a follower of Christ want to identify themself as something which God has so clearly despised? And what about the things I pointed out from Paul's writings to the Corinthians? He certainly did not believe there were homsexual Christians.

Here you are basically accusing the OP of adopting the widely accepted usage of an English word.

What do you call a man whose sole sexual attraction is for other men, even if he does not act on it? Well, in 2013, in the U.S., you'd say that man is 'homosexual' or 'gay'.

You can make up a new word if you like, but until that new word catches on we are stuck with the definitions we have.

aiki · Apr 18, 2013

Here you are basically accusing the OP of adopting the widely accepted usage of an English word.

What do you call a man whose sole sexual attraction is for other men, even if he does not act on it? Well, in 2013, in the U.S., you'd say that man is 'homosexual' or 'gay'.

You can make up a new word if you like, but until that new word catches on we are stuck with the definitions we have.

I don't buy into the idea that a person who has homosexual thoughts is undeniably and permanently homosexual. As I pointed out from Scripture, Paul the apostle did not think that a saved person who had been homosexual in their conduct was still a homosexual after their conversion. His words indicate that he believed a fundamental change had been made by a person's conversion such that the former sinful things of a person's life no longer applied or defined them.

I would call a man who believes he is homosexual a grossly deceived person who is living in accord with a lie. This is even more the case for one who believes he is both a follower of Christ and irremediably homosexual. A man who reinforces in his thinking that he is homosexual will inevitably be shaped by that thinking. It is just the way God has made us. As I said, "The me I see is the me I'll be." Instead of saying "I am a homosexual Christian," a believer would be much better served to emphasize their "new creation" status as a born-again follower of Christ, acknowledging that old things are passed away and all things are become new.

Every sin begins with embracing a lie. The actions that follow are just the result of the lie one has adopted. It is a false thing to say that embracing the lie that one is gay is morally innocuous, that it has no moral weight. It does. Just as a man who embraces adultery in his thoughts is guilty of adultery, so too a man who embraces homosexuality in his thoughts is guilty of homosexuality.

Don't get me wrong: I don't think having homosexual thoughts intrude into one's mind is a sin. Capitulating to them, surrendering to them as the truth about oneself, is where the sin begins.

Selah.

trulyconverted · Apr 18, 2013

TravelerFarAwayFromHome said:
being able to tempted by the same sex is not a sin, giving to the temptation is.

why are you all trying to condemn me?

repent for what, may i ask?

If you were to tell me that you were gay, my answer to you would be "so?".

It is only Jesus who saves, not me, not others, not our sexual orientation, actions, nor righteous works, or whatever else.

Only Jesus.

If it gives you peace to call yourself gay then do so, if it gives you peace to not mention the fact then do so. God called us to peace.

And to those who are quick to judge... Look at James 4:11:

11 Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.
12 There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Who are we indeed to judge our neighbour? We are little nobodies who pretend to be somebodies.

Don't we realize we are less than nothing without Christ?

You are a person and if you are in Christ then that is the only thing that matters - not my opinion nor anyone else's.

And if anyone here can give me bible verses that says being a homosexual is sin (without the homosexual acts or lustful thoughts), please do so because I have been curious where in the bible you see it, coz I have'nt seen it. Now, I am not asking for your opinion, I want verses please. I want to read it myself.

I do not consider myself gay, but it does not matter. Lets have a look at what the bible says. Please show me.

trulyconverted · Apr 18, 2013

1 Cor 6:9-11 seems promising in answering my question - but comparing different translations shows the mention of the acts not just the orientation. Hope someone here well-versed with greek/hebrew can give me the greek or hebrew versions. I am curious.

TravelerFarAwayFromHome · Apr 18, 2013

trulyconverted said:
If you were to tell me that you were gay, my answer to you would be "so?".

It is only Jesus who saves, not me, not others, not our sexual orientation, actions, nor righteous works, or whatever else.

Only Jesus.

If it gives you peace to call yourself gay then do so, if it gives you peace to not mention the fact then do so. God called us to peace.

And to those who are quick to judge... Look at James 4:11:

11 Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.
12 There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Who are we indeed to judge our neighbour? We are little nobodies who pretend to be somebodies.

Don't we realize we are less than nothing without Christ?

You are a person and if you are in Christ then that is the only thing that matters - not my opinion nor anyone else's.

And if anyone here can give me bible verses that says being a homosexual is sin (without the homosexual acts or lustful thoughts), please do so because I have been curious where in the bible you see it, coz I have'nt seen it. Now, I am not asking for your opinion, I want verses please. I want to read it myself.

I do not consider myself gay, but it does not matter. Lets have a look at what the bible says. Please show me.

thank you so much for your support, it amazes me how many people here would want find way to condemn me for my orientation.

which is entirely non biblical

quitespirit · Apr 18, 2013

If you believe homosexuality is a sin, and you do not entertain such thoughts or act on them, why do you identify yourself as gay? What is it that makes you gay? I don't understand.

Spunkn · Apr 18, 2013

quitespirit said:
If you believe homosexuality is a sin, and you do not entertain such thoughts or act on them, why do you identify yourself as gay? What is it that makes you gay? I don't understand.

That's what most of us have been trying to make him see. But he refuses to budge. He's convinced to label himself as gay, and for us to consider that a bad thing, we're somehow unbiblical.

My last post in this thread, I believe everyone has posted well enough reasons why that you should not label yourself as a "gay Christian".

There's a reason why you are bumping into so much oppositition to this label of yours. Because it's not correct!

TravelerFarAwayFromHome · Apr 18, 2013

quitespirit said:
If you believe homosexuality is a sin, and you do not entertain such thoughts or act on them, why do you identify yourself as gay? What is it that makes you gay? I don't understand.

you know, it is clearly a mistake to post something like this here.

I am getting the mod to close this.

I heard enough garbages for one day

and I have plenty of assignments I need to complete over weekend.

I don't have time for this.

TravelerFarAwayFromHome · Apr 18, 2013

Spunkn said:
That's what most of us have been trying to make him see. But he refuses to budge. He's convinced to label himself as gay, and for us to consider that a bad thing, we're somehow unbiblical.

My last post in this thread, I believe everyone has posted well enough reasons why that you should not label yourself as a "gay Christian".

There's a reason why you are bumping into so much oppositition to this label of yours. Because it's not correct!

according to whom

did God Himself forbids this?

if God Himself did not?

what makes you think I should let you boss me around? huh?

you can certainly give advice.

but trying to boss me around is crossing the line.

quitespirit · Apr 18, 2013

To say you want to please God with your sexuality, by forsaking your homosexual thoughts and desires, and then to turn around and demand to be accepted and recognized as a gay Christian is contradictory. Do you want to be gay? You don't act on your urges. You don't want to act on this temptation but want others to embrace you under a title of a sinful lifestyle? I imagine both you and those you make these statements to are both confused.

The stance that would make sense to me is this: You are a Christian. We all struggle with sin. I want to drink and be drunk. I may think on it, but I know it is sin to be drunk, so I don't. I do not call myself a drunk Christian. I want to have premarital sex. It's a sin, so I am waiting for marriage. I do not call myself a fornicating Christian. We are NOT defined by our past sin or our present repentance. We should walk in victory.

The fact that we struggle with sin as believers is a given. it's why Jesus died. We are not chained by our sin. We do not claim our sin as our title. You are a Christian. Identifying yourself by your sinful desires is edifying to NO ONE. It makes no sense. What is your point in doing so?

When you are in a context that it serves a purpose to edify or seek help it is fine to discuss your struggles with homosexuality. But just like fornication and drunkeness- if we forsake our sin we have no reason to wear that label as if it's some badge of honor, pride, or bondage.

TravelerFarAwayFromHome · Apr 18, 2013

trulyconverted said:
1 Cor 6:9-11 seems promising in answering my question - but comparing different translations shows the mention of the acts not just the orientation. Hope someone here well-versed with greek/hebrew can give me the greek or hebrew versions. I am curious.

hope this helps.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11

New International Version (NIV)

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Footnotes:

1 Corinthians 6:9 The words men who have sex with men translate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts.

subtle bullying in church?

Newbie

At your service....

Regular Member

Broken but loved

Broken but loved

Newbie

Newbie

Regular Member

Bursting with fruit flavor!

Newbie

Regular Member

Junior Member

Junior Member

Broken but loved

Trusting &amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp; amp; amp; amp;

Newbie

Broken but loved

Broken but loved

Trusting &amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp; amp; amp; amp;

Broken but loved

Similar threads

Trusting &amp;amp;amp;amp; amp; amp; amp;

Trusting &amp;amp;amp;amp; amp; amp; amp;