I really don't think one should mix up the practice of the Pesach Seder (which remembers the exodus) with the eucharistic ceremony (which remembers the Cross and anticipates the second advent).
Whether or not the eucharistic celebration was insituted on Pesach or not, it is not intended to remember the exodus in the way a Pesach seder does. It has another function. They may have some common form, but they have different functions and are instituted for different purposes. This is why I think both should be done at their own appointed times.
A lot of people get stuck in the either/or paradigm. Either it's all about Pesach or it's all about communion. I say it's both/and.
Good points and thanks for sharing them.
There are some good threads that give good information on the issue - such as in threads like #1, #11, #81, #427, Was the Lord's supper Passover?
and What is your personal view on Communion/Eucharist/L-rd's Supper? [
For Jews coming from a background of liturgy/mysticism, it is natural for them to see no issue with things concenring Eucharist.
There are many Messianics who celebrate Eucharist, although they may differ in their understanding of it than others who do so. Passover can vary, although most note where Christ is the Passover Lamb and the focus...as with all OT types pointing to Him and all things done in remembrance of him. The Lord's Feast (per I Corinthians 11 ) - which was deemed as SEPERATE from Passover in the early Jewish communities - is something many choose to do either weekly, monthly or every other month. Many don't have a set schedule - but they do take seriously what Paul noted when it comes to not sinning against the Body of the Lord by mistreating others and acting as if the event is merely an exercise in symbols instead of a truly HOLY event amongst believers. In early Jewish culture, there have been debates on the frequency of how much the event should be done
Many people, from what I understand, don't really care to do things like Communion/the Last SUpper due to the belief that anything/everything from the Torah itself is the only thing that should be celebrated. Moreover, in their minds, most of what they see with Communion is not to be tolerated since the think it is not truly "Jewish."
This is seen, for example, whenever others have raised issue saying "Communion itself done by Churches is fake since they use wafers rather than REAL bread like the OT culture!!!!". I disagree with them whenever they've done that (as it's mainly Gentiles saying such)---and many Jewish brothers/sisters have never had an issue trying to celebrate both in a godly manner. For those who are
Hebrew Catholics and who saw wafers just as they saw unleaven bread broken, that is something I'll not dismiss quickly.
There was an excellent read you may be interested in, called "The Blessing of Bread: The Many Rich Traditions of Jewish Bread Baking Around the World " which described one type of bread in Israel that was a precursor to waffers (as it
discussed here). The example of Manna comes immediately to mind since
Exodus 16:30-32 says it was "white like
coriander seed and tasted like
wafers made with honey." As manna was given in the wilderness to provide for God's people (
Numbers 11,
Deuteronomy 8,
Nehemiah 9:19-21 Psalm 78:23-25 ) and the Lord described Himself as the Manna--the BRead--that came from Heaven to feed the people (
John 6:57-59 /
John 6,
Revelation 2:16-18, etc )..and as the Last Supper incorporated the same theme of believers partaking of the Lord symbolically, it's why waffer's are utilized in remembrance when it comes to celebrating. It is indeed apart of a Jewish heritage..and something to take seriously as with other things connected to Yeshua (as
I Corinthians 11:17 notes).
As it concerns seeing things differently than before, Yeshua had the same dynamic go down when he instituted the Last Supper and did it DIFFERENTLY than a traditional passover was done with the drinking of wine/the cup he used. Christ did not eat matzah at the Last Supper, which was not the Passover Meal. He was crucified on the eve of Passover, before the Passover Meal. The afikomen and cups of wine WERE added to the Passover feast. The fact that Jesus used the cups of wine shows that He had no heartburn with them, but incorporated the wine into His Communion Supper with His disciples--which we remember to this day, every time we partake of the bread and wine in Holy Communion. It was a new ritual 'the cup of the new covenant'. Mosaic Torah does NOT command drinking the fruit of the vine at a Pesach Seder commemorating the Egyptian Exodus -- BUT Messiah DOES command drinking the fruit of the vine during the L-RD'S Supper at His Table commemorating Yeshua's death according to Matthew 26:26-32 and 1st Corinthians 11:23-29
To be clear, Yeshua's usage of wine was not fully disconnected from all aspects of the Hebrew traditions, as the betrothal period is spent in the parents' home preparing and being prepared for life as a wife or husband. When remembering that and seeing what occurred in the Last Supper in places like John 13 and John 14.2-3, one can see aspects of betrothal language.
The bridegroom would go to his father's house and prepare a place for his bride to live and work to provide for her needs, and he was only allowed to go and get his Bride when his father said he was ready to take care of her. Yeshua cannot return for his Bride, for whom he is preparing a place, until his Father says, "Go and bring your Bride."
The 'cup after supper' that Yeshua passed was a part of the betrothal tradition, as the potential groom would bring a cup of wine and sip it. He would then hand it to the potential bride. If she sipped it, she was accepting his proposal of marriage and from that moment they were legally hitched. Combined with Jn.14.2-3, and the probability that the disciples understood all this tradition, every one of the disciples who drank of that cup knew what it was - including Judas.
I've heard that Yeshua's use of bread and wine at Pesach signified a change in the priesthood. Malki-Tzedek, a cohen of El'Elyon, had served bread and wine to Avram when he blessed him (Genesis 14:18-20). Now Yeshua served the same to his talmidim (Matthew 26:26-29), and he has been made cohen forever, a different kind of cohen, like Malki-Tzedek (Hebrews 7-8). Cool to consider, of course. But all of that is to say how certain aspects of Jewish tradition were never meant to occur the same in all cases.
For some good resources to review:
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