Would Jesus think this is okay????

Probably too many details are missing or need clarification at this point from the reader's perspective. You may want to ask your parents and/or seek pastoral counseling--someone wise and aware of details and context.

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Kormagh said:

Deuteronomy 22:5 ESV

"A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

Cross-dressing is sin.

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So is planting two kinds of seed in your vineyard, plowing with an ox and donkey yoked together, and wearing clothes of wool and linen woven together (oops). Oh--and if you come across a bird's nest beside the road, you can take the eggs, but you have to let the mother go in order for things to go well with you and to live a long life. (All according to Deuteronomy 22.)

As far as women not wearing men's garments...uh...haha (I'm the worst sinner of them all)! There isn't really much difference between the two these days, so I'm really not sure what the issue here is.

Can I humbly suggest we not take outdated and irrelevant laws directed to the ancient Israelites out of context? Especially when responding to advice-seekers.
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In response to GigglingMonster, I want to know if he does it as a joke (I know plenty of young men with off-beat senses of humor), or if this is a serious hobby of his? If it's the latter, he may have some identity issues and may benefit from counseling or seeing a pastor. Like someone else said, that's probably the best place for him to seek advice. That and he probably just needs time and maturity. Know that Jesus has nothing but love and compassion for your boyfriend and knows what's for the best if your boyfriend wants to seek him on the matter. However, if you personally are that bothered by your boyfriend's habits, you might want to ask yourself why you are in a relationship with him.

GigglingMonster said:

My boyfriend is a sissy boy. If you don't know what that is then it's a guy who like dressing and pretending to be a girl.

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"Sissy boy" is an insult-term. It doesn't mean a boy who pretends to be a girl.. it means you're degrading another human being with insults, and that's all it means.

A guy who dresses and pretends to be a girl may be a cross-dresser or perhaps even trans-gender.

Other than clarifying the terminology, I feel no reason to address this post due to how it was originally phrased. If you think so little of your supposed boyfriend, I suggest you go find someone else so that he can get on with his life in a positive manner.

GigglingMonster said:

My boyfriend is a sissy boy. If you don't know what that is then it's a guy who like dressing and pretending to be a girl. Is this okay to do? Would Jesus disapprove of it? Would Jesus want me to break up with my boyfriend? I don't want to do anything that Jesus might strongly disapprove of.... What do u guys think??? This has been bugging me a lot.

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If you are really young, Jesus does not want you to focus on boys and bfs for now but in Jesus and your school.
This boy can be your friend but there are more important things in life to focus on than bfs at this time.
So, he's cross dressing? Of course Jesus does not approve of it. If you care about this boy, speak to him about it, and pray for him. God can touch his life

Mairie said:

So is planting two kinds of seed in your vineyard, plowing with an ox and donkey yoked together, and wearing clothes of wool and linen woven together (oops). Oh--and if you come across a bird's nest beside the road, you can take the eggs, but you have to let the mother go in order for things to go well with you and to live a long life. (All according to Deuteronomy 22.)

As far as women not wearing men's garments...uh...haha (I'm the worst sinner of them all)! There isn't really much difference between the two these days, so I'm really not sure what the issue here is.

Can I humbly suggest we not take outdated and irrelevant laws directed to the ancient Israelites out of context? Especially when responding to advice-seekers.
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In response to GigglingMonster, I want to know if he does it as a joke (I know plenty of young men with off-beat senses of humor), or if this is a serious hobby of his? If it's the latter, he may have some identity issues and may benefit from counseling or seeing a pastor. Like someone else said, that's probably the best place for him to seek advice. That and he probably just needs time and maturity. Know that Jesus has nothing but love and compassion for your boyfriend and knows what's for the best if your boyfriend wants to seek him on the matter. However, if you personally are that bothered by your boyfriend's habits, you might want to ask yourself why you are in a relationship with him.

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This. Best, most love-centric advice you're gonna get on this thread. Listen to it

GigglingMonster said:

My boyfriend is a sissy boy. If you don't know what that is then it's a guy who like dressing and pretending to be a girl. Is this okay to do? Would Jesus disapprove of it? Would Jesus want me to break up with my boyfriend? I don't want to do anything that Jesus might strongly disapprove of.... What do u guys think??? This has been bugging me a lot.

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Before I would attempt an answer to this question I would like
to know about you and your relationship with God.

Are you a Christian?

Can you say that Jesus Christ is Lord of all and the Lord of your life.

Can you say that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God who
came in the flesh upon the earth to show us the way to His Father?

GigglingMonster said:

My boyfriend is a sissy boy. If you don't know what that is then it's a guy who like dressing and pretending to be a girl. Is this okay to do? Would Jesus disapprove of it? Would Jesus want me to break up with my boyfriend? I don't want to do anything that Jesus might strongly disapprove of.... What do u guys think??? This has been bugging me a lot.

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You are asking sinners what a righteous God would do.. The truth is. Nobody can answer that question on behalf of Christ.. But, you could ask yourself this. Why would either of you want to continue this relationship.. It seems that by the names that you are refering to him by. That you are not satisfied with the situation. And your boyfriend dressing up like a girl. Pretty much makes manifest what is going on inside of his mind.. I wish you both all of Christs wisdom in your life choices. Blessings..

Regardless of all the legalism or undue permissiveness we can express on this subject, it really boils down to one thing: Trust. Kormagh posted then took down the reference to a man not dressing as a woman, and vice versa. That passage deals with deception. It doesn't mean women can't wear slacks or, if he really wants to, a man couldn't wear a skirt. The "why" of the latter puzzles me, but is really immaterial.

Does he do it for deceptive purposes? Does he try to fool people into thinking he's a woman when he cross-dresses? If the answer is yes, then he is in violation of God's will. The question then becomes, is your faith at a place where that is acceptable? And if it is, you need to ask yourself "why" because it is not OK with God.

Mairie said:

Can I humbly suggest we not take outdated and irrelevant laws directed to the ancient Israelites out of context? Especially when responding to advice-seekers.

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May I humbly suggest that we not declare these "out of contect" or outdated without investigating their meaning?

I think Mairie's answer is the right one.

However be aware that going too far with someone who has unresolved gender identity issues can be dangerous for you. I had a cousin who married a guy with issues like that. The story is complex. But he ended up changing gender. But the emphasis is unresolved. If he knows what he is and is happy with it, then you have to look at the implications for you honestly. We don't know enough about the situation to evaluate the risk. Does he think he might be gay? Is he capable of a normal relationship with a girl? Is he going to have a messed up career? Or is all of this silly and he's just a bit unconventional? These are things we can't judge but you'll have to.

I trust you've talked with him about your concerns. One thing being your bf should mean is that you're both honest with each other about how you feel. You can do that without judging him.

"Sissy boy" is an insult-term.

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Make sure you're not calling him that, even if you are teasing him fondly. Respect who he is, and see how that fits with your life. If it bothers you, tell him in a kind way, and ask him if he knows people are assuming things about him.

The old phrase, "dress for success" can be helpful -- we create an impression that others absorb. If we're careless with our statements, then we have to endure unhappiness and rejection when people judge us wrongly. But his choice is probably intentional.

Some people simply like more creative clothes -- men's clothes are awfully standard without many choices.

Some people like to provoke. Shake things up, challenge the status quo.

Some guys grew up in a household of girls, where dress-ups were considered play, and later they were allowed to primp and fuss over what they wore. Some people just have fun trying on outfits or getting outside of themselves -- recreating themselves with outfits. Others may have been jealous of sisters' attention -- but it doesn't pay off to confront someone with that.

Hiding one's personality behind clothes is acceptable in theatre, or organizations with uniforms. Clothes also can bring out personality, so people can speak easier with visuals instead of explaining themselves visually.

Ask him about his clothing choices, and use the conversation as a way to find out more about the guy you care about.

That post with Scripture from Leviticus was part of God's moral law. It is consistent with New Testament teachings.

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."
~1 Corinthians 6:9-10


This is not okay. No man should act or dress like a woman. The Scriptures teach this.

Mairie said:

Can I humbly suggest we not take outdated and irrelevant laws directed to the ancient Israelites out of context? Especially when responding to advice-seekers.

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For reasons I believe I have outlined at length in other posts with you, Mairie, my position would suggest that labeling the Mosaic code "outdated" surely does not take the NT perspective on the Law of Moses adequately into account. The Law is for us too, viewed through the eyeglasses of Jesus if I can use the metaphor without launching too far into the matter again. One would at least not wish to be irreverent toward the Law God gave.

On the other hand, whether the laws previously cited on this thread are relevant to the OP issue is another question for which I think we as yet lack details and/or confirmation [EDIT: See GigglingMonster's OP EDIT for clarification that seems to justify what I mean], not to mention more theological clarification. And I would think the personal details might best and probably biblically speaking be handled in private rather than openly on this forum, hence in part my previous post here.

Again, I would encourage the questioner to seek parental and/or pastoral advice on the matter ... in private, as well as addressing the boyfriend humbly and honestly as has been suggested.

My boyfriend is a sissy boy. If you don't know what that is then it's a guy who like dressing and pretending to be a girl. Is this okay to do?

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No. Why would a guy like pretending to be a girl? God made him a man and that is what he should be. God has made males and females distinct from one another for a reason. God didn't make us unisex, or transgendered, or bi, or whatever. "Male and female created He them." (Ge. 1:27)

Would Jesus disapprove of it?

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I think the fact that you're asking the question suggests that you know that he would.

Would Jesus want me to break up with my boyfriend?

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Possibly. I'm certain Jesus would want you to urge your boyfriend to stop indulging in his cross-dressing activities.

I don't want to do anything that Jesus might strongly disapprove of.... What do u guys think??? This has been bugging me a lot.

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See above.

EDIT: I refer to the name sissy boy because that's what my boyfriend has even called himself with no problem, so that was the name I could only think of to use... And he only cross dresses and pretends to be a girl in front of me or when we are texting. I'm the only one who has seen this side of him. And he doesn't act to it all the time. Just sometimes. And he doesn't want a sex change. He just loves acting like a girl and wearing girl clothes and stuff.

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This kind of thing erodes his identity as a male. God has made him to be a man and he needs to live in a way that honors that fact.

1 Corinthians 16:13
13 Watch you, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.

Selah.

My main issue with quoting verses out of context from Deuteronomy or any of the Torah is that I can pretty much betcha that the people who do this are not living consistently with the rest of the Mosaic Code. I bet everyone who posted in this thread are wearing clothing made from two different kinds of materials mixed together. The women who have posted (at least I know I am) are wearing jeans, shorts, and t-shirts. The men who have posted here either trim their beards or shave completely (a huge no-no in Leviticus). How many of us have tattoos? For those of us in northern regions, how many of us follow the regulations for mildew outlined in Leviticus 13? (If I took moldy clothing to my pastor for examination, he'd die from laughing). I could go on and on.

If someone lives and abides by the Mosaic code, and they are giving advice to someone who they know does too, then they have every right to quote out of context Scripture from Deuteronomy. However, that simply isn't the case anymore. The Mosiac code is part of the story of Scripture, not directly written to us to "apply to our lives." It's vital to understanding God's word, yes, but must be kept in context. If a law in the Old Testament is consistent with the New Testament, then I think it's safer to go with the New Testament Scripture, as those are written for the benefit of Christians after the resurrection of Jesus. If you want to follow facial hair laws and the like, then go for it. Just please don't quote Leviticus telling others that beard-trimming is a sin. When Christians pick and choose random verses out of context to quote something as sin from the Mosaic Code, it's so, so confusing for non-believers who see a huge lack of consistency.

If the issue here is deception and pretending to be another gender, then let's deal with that and not use Scripture addressing simple cross-dressing (which is irrelevant in our culture). Let's deal with the heart issue, of why this young man wants so much to be like a female, rather than judging the surface issue to be a sin and moving on. There's obviously a deeper issue here than the guy wanting to wear make-up or whatever.

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My main issue with quoting verses out of context from Deuteronomy or any of the Torah is that I can pretty much betcha that the people who do this are not living consistently with the rest of the Mosaic Code. I bet everyone who posted in this thread are wearing clothing made from two different kinds of materials mixed together. The women who have posted (at least I know I am) are wearing jeans, shorts, and t-shirts. The men who have posted here either trim their beards or shave completely (a huge no-no in Leviticus). How many of us have tattoos? For those of us in northern regions, how many of us follow the regulations for mildew outlined in Leviticus 13? (If I took moldy clothing to my pastor for examination, he'd die from laughing). I could go on and on.

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Certainly the above would miss my point and Christological framework, though I suppose your comment was not aimed at my perspective (though you seem to address my previous comment). But I believe the above also creates a straw man argument for the theological framework of most Christians who cite the Mosaic code authoritatively too. Reference my earlier comments.

However, I concede that in practice the relationship between old and new covenants is often not as clearly defined as it could or should be. More importantly in the long run in my view also, principial consistency between covenants is not always as clearly bounded by either general NT claim or specific NT example as one might wish.

Nonetheless, I do not think cavalier dismissal of Mosaic code is warranted. Given a right view of justification by faith alone, the code in my reading of the Bible should point in some way to some new covenant principle as a shadow suggesting a real object (alluding to Hebrews and my previous comments concerning Matt. 5:17)--perhaps similar to your "heart issue" though I hesitate to offer opinion on the thread's case. Separation of thread types in fabric (e.g., cotton and linen) may point for the Christian to the need to make moral distinctions between good and evil or similarly as Paul implies in 2 Cor 6-7 regarding separation of peoples (as based on the OT), between sliding into worldly influence by social pressure on the one hand and separation from temptations to do so on the other.

You claim that "Christians [sometimes] pick and choose random verses out of context to quote something as sin from the Mosaic Code." We may accept as a given that in some cases Christians misapply Moses or use the code selectively in an ill-defined way. But as I argued in effect earlier, Christian citations of Mosaic code are not necessarily either random or out of context. Each case must be argued on its own merit. Or such as I had argued follows from my reading of the NT.

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Certainly the above would miss my point and Christological framework, though I suppose your comment was not aimed at my perspective (though you seem to address my previous comment). But I believe the above also creates a straw man argument for the theological framework of most Christians who cite the Mosaic code authoritatively too. Reference my earlier comments.

However, I concede that in practice the relationship between old and new covenants is often not as clearly defined as it could or should be. More importantly in the long run in my view also, principial consistency between covenants is not always as clearly bounded by either general NT claim or specific NT example as one might wish.

Nonetheless, I do not think cavalier dismissal of Mosaic code is warranted. Given a right view of justification by faith alone, the code in my reading of the Bible should point in some way to some new covenant principle as a shadow suggesting a real object (alluding to Hebrews and my previous comments concerning Matt. 5:17)--perhaps similar to your "heart issue" though I hesitate to offer opinion on the thread's case. Separation of thread types in fabric (e.g., cotton and linen) may point for the Christian to the need to make moral distinctions between good and evil or similarly as Paul implies in 2 Cor 6-7 regarding separation of peoples (as based on the OT), between sliding into worldly influence by social pressure on the one hand and separation from temptations to do so on the other.

You claim that "Christians [sometimes] pick and choose random verses out of context to quote something as sin from the Mosaic Code." We may accept as a given that in some cases Christians misapply Moses or use the code selectively in an ill-defined way. But as I argued in effect earlier, Christian citations of Mosaic code are not necessarily either random or out of context. Each case must be argued on its own merit. Or such as I had argued follows from my reading of the NT.

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I was generally addressing several comments made by further explaining what I meant--not with the intention of debating you personally, so no, I was not addressing your "Christological framework." Nowhere I am I dismissing Mosaic Code in my comments; I just want to see people using the Bible correctly. I made the point that I needed to make, which I thought was fairly clear. Whether or not quotes from the Mosaic Code used specifically in this thread were random or out of context (and I do believe that in this specific instance they were out of context), they were only addressing a surface issue. If I went to a Christian counselor for serious advice and all they did was read me passages from Leviticus and told me that what I was doing was a sin, that is incredibly not helpful and they are not going to get paid for their time. Likewise, I simply think a lot more thought can be put into the "advice" one posts in an advice forum. That's all I really mean to say. Which is why I agree with you completely--if the OP want serious advice, she should go to a pastor, not here.

GigglingMonster said:

My boyfriend is a sissy boy. If you don't know what that is then it's a guy who like dressing and pretending to be a girl. Is this okay to do? Would Jesus disapprove of it? Would Jesus want me to break up with my boyfriend? I don't want to do anything that Jesus might strongly disapprove of.... What do u guys think??? This has been bugging me a lot.

EDIT: I refer to the name sissy boy because that's what my boyfriend has even called himself with no problem, so that was the name I could only think of to use... And he only cross dresses and pretends to be a girl in front of me or when we are texting. I'm the only one who has seen this side of him. And he doesn't act to it all the time. Just sometimes. And he doesn't want a sex change. He just loves acting like a girl and wearing girl clothes and stuff.

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I've read about these kinds of people in one of my psychology classes. I don't see a problem with it. He isn't gay, he doesn't want to be a woman. He just likes to cross-dress behind closed doors. These people are capable of living happily married lives and being good fathers.

The question is, are you comfortable with it?

People who quote 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 to say it's wrong are misrepresenting scripture, and they fail to realize that the Bible they're reading is a translation of the original text. "Effeminate" does not mean, "acting like a woman." It refers to male prostitutes.