Baptist President of Chick-fil-A vs. Gay Marriage

revrobor · Aug 3, 2012

lismore said:
All marriages should be gay but I'm not convinced same sex marriage is a good idea.

I agree. But I'm disgusted at the homosexuals for taking a beautiful word like "gay" and applying it to their perverted lifestyle.

Metal Minister · Aug 3, 2012

http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-69

I have to say, that for the most part, I agree with John MacArthur in this...

May God Richly Bless You! MM

David Pratt · Aug 3, 2012

cnn - by Wire Staff - 8.3.12

Gay rights activists plan a "Kiss Day" at Chick-fil-A outlets nationwide Friday amid a controversy over a company official's stance against same-sex marriages.

Click to Read Article: Gay rights activists plan 'kiss day' at Chick-fil-A

dies-l · Aug 3, 2012

David Pratt said:
1. Based on all the scriptures, Are you certain that our Lord Christ was indifferent to sodomy?.

That's not what I said. Please don't put words in my mouth. There is a difference between the MORAL issue of homosexuality and the LEGAL issue of same sex marriage. Nothing in Scripture convinces me that Christ was all that concerned with changing the legal structure of the Roman Empire (or the American Empire for that matter), but rather with changing the hearts of His followers.

2. Do you feel The Old & New testaments was written by men filled with the Holy Ghost?

Yes.

3. Do you believe the laws of men should be the primary focus in governing land, instead of the bible?

Yes. To believe otherwise is to advocate for Theocracy, which is a most evil form of government.

4. Yes or No question: If a sodomite were to ask you, Does the bible approve of them marrying another sodomite? what would be your answer?

If a homosexual Christian asked me that question, my answer would encourage them to reconsider their lifestyle. If the homosexual in question is not a Christian, then I would tell them that they have bigger fish to fry than worrying about whether their lifestyle is biblically acceptable.

David Pratt · Aug 3, 2012

To Dies-I

[There is a difference between the MORAL issue of homosexuality and the LEGAL issue of same sex marriage.]

I believe I have a better understanding in your typing style.

You're trying to discuss the moral & legal issue of gay-marriage. Then, perhaps, add your understanding from the holy scripture.

I only want to stay focus on the holy scriptures about, "what is right & wrong?" & "how to proceed?".

So when you type Dies-I, you lead into multiple tangents/points, thus bringing confusion to me... & perhaps others.

MatthewDiscipleofGod · Aug 3, 2012

dies-l said:
If a homosexual Christian asked me that question, my answer would encourage them to reconsider their lifestyle. If the homosexual in question is not a Christian, then I would tell them that they have bigger fish to fry than worrying about whether their lifestyle is biblically acceptable.

Sounds like an answer a politician would give. You typed a lot of words but didn't answer the question. :doh:

dies-l · Aug 3, 2012

MatthewDiscipleofGod said:
Sounds like an answer a politician would give. You typed a lot of words but didn't answer the question.

I answered the question honestly. You don't like the answer. That is exactly the opposite of a politician's answer.

BTW, I gotta love how this forum operates: I jump on here to say, "although I disagree with Mr. Cathy's position, I am outraged at the way his free speech rights are being trounced, and I am not really interested in debating his position" and the response I am getting from everyone here is akin to "How dare you disagree with Mr. Cathy's position!" :doh:

dies-l · Aug 3, 2012

David Pratt said:
To Dies-I

[There is a difference between the MORAL issue of homosexuality and the LEGAL issue of same sex marriage.]

I believe I have a better understanding in your typing style.

You're trying to discuss the moral & legal issue of gay-marriage. Then, perhaps, add your understanding from the holy scripture.

I only want to focus stay focus on the holy scriptures about what is right & wrong & how to proceed.

So when you type Dies-I, you lead into multiple tangents/points, thus bringing confusion to me... & perhaps others.

This is a thread about Mr. Cathy's position on SSM and how the left has responded to it. I have been clear that I disagree with both.

This is not a thread about the morality of homosexuality. And, so I have tried to avoid discussing that topic. You accused me of holding a position that I never espoused, and by doing so you took the thread onto a tangent about the morality of homosexuality. And, now you accuse me of taking the thread into multiple tangents, thus causing confusion?!?!?

So, let me reiterate my position as it relates to this thread: Although I disagree with Mr. Cathy's position, I disagree even more with the way some on the left have undermined his right to express his opinion.

Everything else that I have said in this thread is a direct response to people who have attacked me for having the nerve to disagree with Mr. Cathy! If you don't want the thread to go off on confusing tangents, then DON'T TAKE THE THREAD OFF ON TANGENTS! :doh:

dies-l · Aug 3, 2012

StrangeL0ve said:
Chickfila are being hypocrites.

First, they boycott Home Depot for supporting gay marriage, and say they should be boycott "until they agree to remain neutral in the marriage debate"

Then, they claim they should not be boycott for their opinions.

Perfectly inconsistent and hypocritical.

Has CFA actually boycotted Home Depot?

MatthewDiscipleofGod · Aug 3, 2012

dies-l said:
I answered the question honestly. You don't like the answer. That is exactly the opposite of a politician's answer.

It was a yes or no question. Please answer just yes or no so we have a clear understanding of what you believe. If you don't answer with just a yes or no it means your are blurring what you believe. You can be open and honest, right? If so please answer yes or no.

Yes or No question: If a sodomite were to ask you, “Does the bible approve of them marrying another sodomite?” what would be your answer?

David Pratt · Aug 3, 2012

To Dies-I

But with all that data you had typed,

I'm not sure if I have ever read a biblical perspective/resolution from you on this thread about gay-marriage.

Again, from all that I had read, it seems as though you're neutral, don't care, & have issues with C.F.A.'s CEO.

Never said the man does not have issues but it seems like you're focused more against his stance, than for it.

dies-l · Aug 3, 2012

MatthewDiscipleofGod said:
It was a yes or no question. Please answer just yes or no so we have a clear understanding of what you believe. If you don't answer with just a yes or no it means your are blurring what you believe. You can be open and honest, right? If so please answer yes or no.

Yes or no questions can sometimes be impossible to answer honestly. For example: "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Assuming that you have never beaten your wife, how would you answer that question. Remember, only yes or no are acceptable answers!

MatthewDiscipleofGod · Aug 3, 2012

dies-l said:
Yes or no questions can sometimes be impossible to answer honestly. For example: "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Assuming that you have never beaten your wife, how would you answer that question. Remember, only yes or no are acceptable answers!

The question you are being asked though isn't that way. You can answer yes, no or even an honest I'm not sure at this point would be proper. I'll answer the question. My answer is no, the Bible doesn't approve of it. By avoiding answering the question directly it makes people wondering why you are doing that. Is it that you would agree with me but don't want to offend homosexuals? Or is it that you would answer yes but don't want people to jump on you in the forums or is it because you are not sure but don't want to admit that? I am not going to assume anything and that is why I would like to see your answer. It just helps me to understand your position.

dies-l · Aug 3, 2012

David Pratt said:
To Dies-I

But with all that data you had typed,

I'm not sure if I have ever read a biblical perspective/resolution from you on this thread about gay-marriage.

As to whether SSM should be legal within a secular society, the Bible is silent. This is not a thread about the morality of homosexuality, so I leave that point alont.

Again, from all that I had read, it seems as though you're neutral, don't care, & have issues with C.F.A.'s CEO.

I am neutral for the most part, but if asked to vote on the issue, I would strongly consider voting in favor a well-crafted SSM provision that does not impede the free speech and free exercise rights of Christian who oppose it. I am not likely to advocate for one side or the other, as there are more important issues to my Christian walk, such as the one in my sig. I have no issues with Mr. Cathy; I merely disagree with the position he has taken on one issue. In fact, I began posting on this thread in his defense, but several posters, yourself included have chosen to focus on where we disagree, even at the expense of derailing the thread, rather than taking my comments at face value.

Never said the man does not have issues but it seems like you're focused more against his stance, than for it.

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How on earth did you come to that conclusion?!?!?

dies-l · Aug 3, 2012

MatthewDiscipleofGod said:
The question you are being asked though isn't that way. You can answer yes, no or even an honest I'm not sure at this point would be proper. I'll answer the question. My answer is no, the Bible doesn't approve of it. By avoiding answering the question directly it makes people wondering why you are doing that. Is it that you would agree with me but don't want to offend homosexuals? Or is it that you would answer yes but don't want people to jump on you in the forums or is it because you are not sure but don't want to admit that? I am not going to assume anything and that is why I would like to see your answer. It just helps me to understand your position.

I am not avoiding the question. It does not lend itself to a yes or no answer. I gave as concise and honest of answer as I can. If you want me to simplify it further than I have, I would be giving an insufficient and dishonest answer. I believe it would be immoral to do so. If you want me to sin so that you can pigeonhole my position, my response is that I am not willing to do that. If you do not want to lead me into sin, then please accept that I cannot honestly and sufficiently answer the question within the parameters that you insist on setting.

The question was: "If a sodomite were to ask you, “Does the bible approve of them marrying another sodomite?” what would be your answer?"

I would not answer this question with a yes or no answer. That is my answer to David's question. Take it or leave it.

MatthewDiscipleofGod · Aug 3, 2012

dies-l said:
I am not avoiding the question. It does not lend itself to a yes or no answer. I gave as concise and honest of answer as I can. If you want me to simplify it further than I have, I would be giving an insufficient and dishonest answer. I believe it would be immoral to do so. If you want me to sin so that you can pigeonhole my position, my response is that I am not willing to do that. If you do not want to lead me into sin, then please accept that I cannot honestly and sufficiently answer the question within the parameters that you insist on setting.

The question was: "If a sodomite were to ask you, Does the bible approve of them marrying another sodomite? what would be your answer?"

I would not answer this question with a yes or no answer. That is my answer to David's question. Take it or leave it.

I see you are not going to clarify what you believe so I guess there is no reason to further this discussion with you.

dies-l · Aug 3, 2012

MatthewDiscipleofGod said:
I see you are not going to clarify what you believe so I guess there is no reason to further this discussion with you.

Actually, that is what I said I wanted all along, but some people seem unable to accept that.

But, FTR, I am perfectly willing to clarify, and I have been plenty clear all along. If there is something that you don't understand, then please feed free to ask a follow up question. But, do not try to harass and belittle me in an attempt to bait me into giving you a dishonest and incomplete response. This is what you have been doing, and this is not how Christians are called to behave.

Hupomone10 · Aug 3, 2012

dies-l said:
Yes, I do. If you read the whole context, you will see that it is frankly an issue that is not important to me one way or the other. Nothing in Scripture convinces me that it is all that important to Jesus either. I believe that Christ is far more concerned about what we do for the widows, the orphans, the poor, and the vulnerable than he is about whether we took a strong stance against same-sex marriage (or any other political issue for that matter). And, I believe that on that day, it will be sufficient to say "I trusted in your sacrifice for me, and though I could never live up to all that the law demands, I did my best to reflect your loving compassion in all that I did."

I don't believe issues of sexual morality are a political issue only.

Eph 5:3
"But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality"

John the Baptist thought morality such a spiritual issue vs. a political one, that he confronted the King about his immorality:

Mark 6:18
For John had been saying to Herod, "It is not lawful for you to have your brother's wife."

But I do understand where you're coming from. Not approval, just indifference toward the issue.

God bless,
H.

David Pratt · Aug 4, 2012

cnn - by Sarah Aarthun - 7.28.12

"How backward and ignorant ... how sad," CNN reader Joe Brown said.

"No more Chick-fil-A for me. I am not in the stone-casting business as a Christian."

Philadelphia City Councilman James Kenney sent a letter to Cathy this week, telling the CEO in blunt terms to "take a hike and take your intolerance with you," and vowing to introduce a resolution at the next council meeting condemning the company.

"There is no place for this type of hate in our great City of Brotherly and Sisterly Affection ," Kenney wrote.

San Francisco Mayor Edwin M. Lee tweeted:

"Closest #ChickFilA to San Francisco is 40 miles away & I strongly recommend that they not try to come any closer."

Mayor Emanuel, a Democrat, said this week that

"Chick-fil-A's values are not Chicago values. They're not respectful of our residents, our neighbors and our family members."

"Those kinds of messages and that kind of rhetoric is very, very hurtful to our families," Laura Kanter, youth program director at LGBT advocacy group The Center Orange County,told CNN affiliate KABC of Cathy's comments.

"We have families, we have children, we have parents."

Click to Read Full Article: Chick-fil-A wades into a fast-food fight over same-sex marriage rights

Publius · Aug 4, 2012

David Pratt said:
Philadelphia City Councilman James Kenney sent a letter to Cathy this week, telling the CEO in blunt terms to "take a hike and take your intolerance with you," and vowing to introduce a resolution at the next council meeting condemning the company.

Before I was a Christian, I used to drink with Jim Kenney at a bar down on South Street.

I always thought he was a good guy, even though his political views are not in line with the principles of our Republic.

It's a shame to see him display such bigotry and hatred against Christians, particularly since he's a devout Catholic and Catholics claim to be Christians.

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