Praying for tragedy

JGG said:

Yes, and Christians dance on the graves of dead gay teens. That's my point.

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But those are not true Christians. You're not getting my point. They are Christians by "name"



Again, I will point out that in that quote it defines Christianity as being based on the life and teachings of Jesus. You then tell me: "Someone who adheres to Christianity isn't someone who adheres to Christianity [...edited to make my point].[/quote] Nope, I said that your definition is missing.

But you're right, I don't believe for even a second that modern Christianity has the first thing to do with the concept of Christ.

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If reading the bible was enough to make a concrete definition of what a Christian is, wouldn't those characteristics be present in every person who calls themselves a Christian? The bible clearly just feeds the values of the person reading it. That guy who dances on graves doesn't believe any less than you do, and is no less a Christian. He will tell me that you're not a real Christian. He can find verse to support his point of view as well. That's the beauty of the bible: it stands for anything you want it to.

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Nope, there are several reasons. People tend to understand what they want to understand, and many are led by false ministers or priests who seek nothing but money and many have never read a bible, and most haven't read much of it which is necessary to understand because verses are complementary in ~every part. What verse? If it's his own understanding of the verse then it's not my problem. He uses his logic imagination not the bible to interpret what is written in the bible and that never works.

Yup. Define God for me.

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Omnipotent + Omniscient Creator of the world. The problem is he can't be accurately defined but I tried my best to sum it up.

Firstly, anything associated with Christianity? You seem to feel that you get to define what that is. Dancing on the graves of gay teens is associated with Christianity. "God hates [whoever]," Pat Robertson, the Ku Klux Klan, and the Lord's Resistance Army are all associated with Christianity.

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If I understood what you just meant, please show me a fact in the bible proving that this is associated with Christianity

Secondly, what an ego trip it must be to say "As a Christian, I'm all things noble, good, and Christ-like, and I do no evil."

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Where did I say this? And for a Christian, it is a fact. And no Christian says so about himself but he may say so about other Christians.

Lastly, we're not interested in the adjective form, we were discussing Christians (noun).

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The adjective describes the noun so it is necessary in order to know about the noun.

Okay, but this is yet another definition of what a Christian is. Again, this is different from several of your prior definitions, which said nothing about qualities that a Christian must possess.

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1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.

Those were mentioned before and Jesus taught people to love each other so they must show no sign of hate. So it is pretty much the same thing

However, if that quality that one must possess to be Christian must is be all that is noble, good, Christ-like and never evil, I'm going to echo Keith99 and point out that there are no Christians. Unless...

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Humans can't accomplish perfection before God but can get near that degree. Tho there are many who are so before us (Saints for example) and many priests and monks ( Of course everyone may know 100s and 100s of them who seek nothing but benefit and pleasure in many sadly ways but what is true is that the true ones, especially monks prefer to remain unknown and can be found of course if searched for, very hardly in any other way as they prefer to remain unknown and many spend most of their time praying and fasting anyways.

So, being Christian is relative? Are you saying that these qualities that a Christian must possess are being assessed on a bell-curve?

"Sure, I can commit adultery because that guy down the street is gay. Compared to him, I'm an awesome Christian!"

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That doesn't even come close to perfection.

JGG said:

They would say that you are Christian by name. Why should I believe you over them?

Can you be Christian, and re-married after a divorce for instance?

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Because you know now what a Christian means?

Again, no it's not. A definition of Christian does not necessarily require me to define Christianity. It's enough to know that a Christian adheres to Christianity. If I refer to my in-laws being Jewish, I am not required to set the paramaters of what Judaism is.

Is Osama Bin Laden Muslim?

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If he does most of what the Quran advises him to, then of course. Same goes for any Christian.

But your understanding is perfect, yes?

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Compared to you, yes.

What a vague definition. I'm sure we can add stuff that we "know" about God to help define it.



Let me help:

1. Is the Christian God Benevolent or Malevolent?
2. Does the Christian God want us to be robots or have freewill?
3. What is the Christian God's second son's name?
4. Is the Christian God also a quadrinity?
5. Does the Christian God hate atheists?
6. Does the Christian God lie?
7. Will the Christian God be unjust?
8. Does the Christian God destroy?
9. Does the Christian God tolerate sin?
10. Does the Christian God care whether I have sex outside of marriage?
11. Is the Christian God good or evil?
12. Is the Christian God really unlimited?

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Are you describing or defining who God is ?

You understand the word "associated" right? These people are all Christian. They advocate, and promote Christianity, and Christian interests. The entire world associates them with Christianity. Not because they're in the Bible, but because they promote the Bible.

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Why didn't you answer my question?

Well, right here...



So you do no evil?

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Did I say that I am a Christian?

Blind might also describe the noun, but that would not be relevant to the discussion.

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According to who?

Such people do not exist.

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According to who?

Okay, give us an example of such a person.

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St Theresa.

No, but you yourself claimed that virtue is relative to other people. Surely, you are a better Christian than any gay man, right?

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You read the bible, you should know the answer