Let's Talk About Hell (5)

he-man said:

This is not about wining or losing a debate, this is about saving or losing your LIFE!Cyprian is a man with an opinion and not the scripture in the Bible. I can give you many who deny your Cyprian ideas, from Arianism, and so on. That does not cut it.

Give me the Manuscript numbers that you think have it and I will show you the the Spurious 1Jn 5:7 is not in any of the earlier manuscripts.

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I see you aren't following me, I never said it was in any manuscripts. If you want to debate honestly then answer why cyprian would make up a verse then say "it is written". And why dozens more fathers of the church did the same thing later on? How could they even be considered fathers of the church if this is all a lie? Cyprian would be a heretic and a liar and no father of the church at all! Answer this! And please don't tell me to give the manuscript numbers that I never claimed existed (for the seventh time). However if you want to debate manuscripts, just look up any old KJV only site on all the NIV ommisions in the text.

I double checked in my own software of the early church and I found this:


The Lord says, “I and the Father are one; ”21 and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, “And these three are one.”22 And does any one believe that this unity which thus comes from the divine strength and coheres in celestial sacraments, can be divided in the Church, and can be separated by the parting asunder of opposing wills? He who does not hold this unity does not hold God’s law, does not hold the faith of the Father and the Son, does not hold life and salvation.



Roberts, Alexander ; Donaldson, James ; Coxe, A. Cleveland: The Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. V : Translations of the Writings of the Fathers Down to A.D. 325. Oak Harbor : Logos Research Systems, 1997, S. 423

on the foot note for this, cox states the following:

61 1 John v. 8. [It is noteworthy that he quotes the Latin formula,and not that (εις το εν εισιν ) of the Greek. Now, the Latin, repeating (in verse 8) the formula (hi tres unum sunt) which belongs to the dubious protasis, is so far evidence that such a verse existed in the old Greek. It is important that the Latin is not conformed to the received formula of the apodosis, “ the three agree in one.”]


IN OTHER WORDS, HOW COULD ERASMUS ADD LATIN TO A LATIN BIBLE HE DIDN'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO WORK ON?

Chapter 8.—Whatever is Spoken of God According to Substance, is Spoken of Each Person Severally, and Together of the Trinity Itself. One Essence in God, and Three, in Greek, Hypostases, in Latin, Persons.

Schaff, Philip: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Series 1. Grand Rapids, MI: Christian Classics Ethereal Library, S. 91

God is not one and three, but one in three. There is no primary monad, as such, and without trinality, to which the three distinctions are secondary adjuncts. The monad, or essence, never exists in and by itself as untrinalized, as in the Sabellian scheme. It exists only as in the three Persons; only as trinalized. The Essence, consequently, is not prior to the Persons, either in the order of nature or of time, nor subsequent to them, but simultaneously and eternally in and with them.

Schaff, Philip: The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers Vol. III. Oak Harbor : Logos Research Systems, 1997, S. 7

Concerning the visible creation.
Our God Himself, Whom we glorify as Three in One, created the heaven and the earth and all that they contain43, and brought all things out of nothing into being: some He made out of no pre-existing basis of matter, such as heaven, earth, air, fire, water: and the rest out of these elements that He had created, such as living creatures, plants, seeds. For these are made up of earth, and water, and air, and fire, at the bidding of the Creator.
43 Ps. cxlvi. 6.

Schaff, Philip: The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers Second Series Vol. IX. Oak Harbor : Logos Research Systems, 1997, S. 21

Chapter XXVI.

Isaac 7846 wrote On the Holy Trinity and a book On the incarnation of the Lord, writing in a very obscure style of argument and involved language, maintaining that three persons exist in one Deity, in such wise that any thing may be peculiar to each which another does not have, that is to say, that the Father has this peculiarity that He, himself without source, is the source of others, that the Son has this peculiarity, that, begotten, He is not posterior to the begetter, that the Holy Spirit has this peculiarity, that He is neither made nor begotten but nevertheless is from another. Of the incarnation of the Lord indeed, he writes that the person of the Son of God is believed to be one, while yet there are two natures existing in him.

Schaff, Philip: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Series 2. Grand Rapids, MI: Christian Classics Ethereal Library, S. 391

Second, and of the Third, Him of Whom we are speaking, of the Holy Ghost that the distinction of the Three Persons may be preserved in the one nature and dignity of the Godhead. For neither is the Son Father, for the Father is One, but He is what the Father is; nor is the Spirit Son because He is of God, for the Only-begotten is One, but He is what the Son is. The Three are One in Godhead, and the One Three in properties; so that neither is the Unity a Sabellian one, 24907 nor does the Trinity countenance the present evil distinction.

Schaff, Philip: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Series 2. Grand Rapids, MI: Christian Classics Ethereal Library, S. 320

One can toss out 1 John 5:7 and still the trinity can be shown in the bible throughout it. Like at the baptism of Jesus by John.... the trinity. If there is not at least a "god' of two persons then trying to figure out Jesus gets to be rather paradoxical in the bible a lot of scriptures do not make sense, when just a few seemingly don't make sense with the trinity idea due to lack of understanding more make less sense without the trinity concept.
In other words with the trinity there is less seemingly contradictory scriptures in the bible than without it.

Sophrosyne said:

One can toss out 1 John 5:7 and still the trinity can be shown in the bible throughout it. Like at the baptism of Jesus by John.... the trinity. If there is not at least a "god' of two persons then trying to figure out Jesus gets to be rather paradoxical in the bible a lot of scriptures do not make sense, when just a few seemingly don't make sense with the trinity idea due to lack of understanding more make less sense without the trinity concept.
In other words with the trinity there is less seemingly contradictory scriptures in the bible than without it.

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Sounds senseless to me in light of:

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

he-man said:

Sounds senseless to me in light of:

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

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Christ could not be a son, if He was not submissive to the father. So He simply has a dual nature, all God, and all Man. Easy.

Sophrosyne said:

One can toss out 1 John 5:7 and still the trinity can be shown in the bible throughout it. Like at the baptism of Jesus by John.... the trinity. If there is not at least a "god' of two persons then trying to figure out Jesus gets to be rather paradoxical in the bible a lot of scriptures do not make sense, when just a few seemingly don't make sense with the trinity idea due to lack of understanding more make less sense without the trinity concept.
In other words with the trinity there is less seemingly contradictory scriptures in the bible than without it.

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I just want to know where the phrase "three in one" came from. And now we know it came from 1 John 5:7-9, it came from the Bible. But yes there are other verses (less direct) that speak too of the trinity. You are correct.

gradyll said:

I just want to know where the phrase "three in one" came from. And now we know it came from 1 John 5:7-9, it came from the Bible. But yes there are other verses (less direct) that speak too of the trinity. You are correct.

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Probably someone was selling oil at the time

Sophrosyne said:

Probably someone was selling oil at the time

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or that

gradyll said:

I double checked in my own software of the early church and I found this:


The Lord says, “I and the Father are one; ”21 and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, “And these three are one.”22 And does any one believe that this unity which thus comes from the divine strength and coheres in celestial sacraments, can be divided in the Church, and can be separated by the parting asunder of opposing wills? He who does not hold this unity does not hold God’s law, does not hold the faith of the Father and the Son, does not hold life and salvation.



Roberts, Alexander ; Donaldson, James ; Coxe, A. Cleveland: The Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. V : Translations of the Writings of the Fathers Down to A.D. 325. Oak Harbor : Logos Research Systems, 1997, S. 423

on the foot note for this, cox states the following:

61 1 John v. 8. [It is noteworthy that he quotes the Latin formula,and not that (εις το εν εισιν ) of the Greek. Now, the Latin, repeating (in verse 8) the formula (hi tres unum sunt) which belongs to the dubious protasis, is so far evidence that such a verse existed in the old Greek. It is important that the Latin is not conformed to the received formula of the apodosis, “ the three agree in one.”]


IN OTHER WORDS, HOW COULD ERASMUS ADD LATIN TO A LATIN BIBLE HE DIDN'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO WORK ON?

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why would cyprian say "it is written" if it wasn't in fact written at all ? (but made up)?

gradyll said:

Christ could not be a son, if He was not submissive to the father. So He simply has a dual nature, all God, and all Man. Easy.

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Sorry but that is Polythestic and Christ himself says,
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

he-man said:

Sorry but that is Polythestic and Christ himself says,
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

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talkin about a ghost there, that was why He said that. Not that He was not spirit look at the verses regarding the spirit of Christ.

Philippians 1:19
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

Rom. 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1 Pet. 1:11
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Gal. 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Acts 16:7 ESV
And when they had come up to Mysia, they attempted to go into Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them.


MORE VERSES ON THE HOLY SPIRIT BEING DIVINE AND BEING DISTINCT FROM THE FATHER AND SON

The Deity of the Holy Spirit

The Spirit Is Considered Divine

1. The Spirit’s Deity in His Own Being…


a. The Spirit Is Called God
Acts 5:3–4
b. The Spirit Is Called Lord
2 Cor. 3:17–18


c. The Spirit Is Called the Spirit
Num. 11:17, 25; 1 Chron. 12:18; Isa. 32:15; Ezek. 2:2; Ezek. 8:3; Mark 1:12; John 7:39; Acts 11:28; Acts 20:22; Acts 21:4; Rom. 7:6; Rom. 8:16; 2 Cor. 3:6; Gal. 5:16–18; Eph. 6:18; 1 Tim. 3:16; 1 Pet. 3:18; 1 John 3:24; 1 John 4:6; Jude 19
d. The Spirit Is Identified with Yahweh
Num. 24:2–4, 12–13; Acts 7:51; Acts 28:25–27; 1 Cor. 2:12; Heb. 3:7–9; Heb. 10:15–17 2 Pet. 1:21
e. The Spirit Is Spoken of as Divine
Matt. 12:32; Mark 3:29; 1 Cor. 3:16; 1 Cor. 6:19; Eph. 2:22

The Spirit’s Relationship to the Other Divine Persons

a. The Spirit and the Father

i. His Spirit
Num. 11:29; Isa. 34:16; Isa. 48:16; Zech. 7:12; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 3:5; Eph. 2:22; Eph. 3:16; 1 Thess. 4:8; 1 John 4:12–13
ii. My Spirit
Gen. 6:3; Isa. 30:1; Isa. 42:1; Isa. 44:3; Isa. 59:21; Ezek. 36:27; Joel 2:28–29; Hag. 2:5; Zech. 4:6; Matt. 12:18


iii. Spirit of God
Gen. 1:2; Exod. 31:3; Num. 24:2; 1 Sam. 10:10; 1 Sam. 11:6; 1 Sam. 19:20; 1 Sam. 19:23; 2 Chron. 15:1; 2 Chron. 24:20; Job 33:4; Ezek. 11:24; Rom. 8:9; Rom. 8:14; 1 Cor. 2:11, 14; 1 Cor. 3:16; 1 Cor. 6:11; 1 Cor. 7:40; 1 Pet. 4:14; 1 John 4:2
iv. Spirit of Him Who Raised Jesus
from the Dead
Rom. 8:11
Spirit of Yahweh
Judg. 3:10; Judg. 6:34; Judg. 11:29; Judg. 13:25; Judg. 14:6; Judg. 14:19; Judg. 15:14; 1 Sam. 10:6; 1 Sam. 16:13–14; 2 Sam. 23:2; 1 Kings 18:12; 2 Kings 18:12; 2 Kings 2:16; 2 Chron. 20:14; Isa. 11:2; Isa. 40:13; Isa. 63:14; Ezek. 11:5; Ezek. 37:1; Mic. 3:8
v.
vi. Spirit of the Living God
2 Cor. 3:3
vii. Spirit of the Lord
Isa. 11:2; Luke 4:18; Acts 5:9; Acts 8:39
viii. Spirit of the Sovereign Lord
Isa. 61:1
ix. Spirit of Your Father
Matt. 10:20
x. Your Spirit
Neh. 9:20, 30; Ps. 104:30; Ps. 139:7; Ps. 143:10

b. The Spirit and the Son…



i. Spirit of Christ
Rom. 8:9; 1 Pet. 1:11
ii. Spirit of His Son
Gal. 4:6
iii. Spirit of Jesus
Acts 16:7
iv. Spirit of Jesus Christ
Phil. 1:19

The Spirit’s Divine Qualities
Eternal
John 14:16; Heb. 9:14
Good
Neh. 9:20; Ps. 143:10
Holy
Ps. 51:11; Isa. 63:10–11; Mark 1:8; Luke 1:35; John 14:26; Acts 1:8; Acts 7:51; Acts 10:44–46; Acts 15:28; Acts 28:25; Rom. 1:4; Rom. 5:5; Rom. 14:17; Rom. 15:13; Rom. 15:16; 1 Cor. 6:19; 2 Cor. 6:6; Eph. 1:13; Eph. 4:30; 1 Thess. 1:5–6; 2 Tim. 1:14; Titus 3:5; Heb. 2:4; Heb. 9:8; Heb. 10:15; 1 Pet. 1:12; 2 Pet. 1:21; Jude 20
Holy One
1 John 2:20
Love
Rom. 15:30; Gal. 5:22
Omnipresent
Ps. 139:7–8; John 14:16–17; Eph. 2:18–22
Omniscient
Isa. 40:13–14; John 14:26; John 16:13; 1 Cor. 2:10–11
One Spirit
Eph. 4:4
Power
Gen. 1:2; Isa. 11:2; Zech. 4:6; Rom. 15:13; Rom. 15:19; 1 Cor. 12:4–7, 11; 2 Cor. 3:17–18; 1 Pet. 3:18
Power of the Most High
Luke 1:35
Spirit of Glory
1 Pet. 4:14
Spirit of Grace
Heb. 10:29
Spirit of Life
Rom. 8:2
Spirit of Truth
John 14:16–17; John 15:26; John 16:13; 1 John 4:6; 1 John 5:6
Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation
Isa. 11:2; Eph. 1:17
The Spirit Is Said to Possess Equality with Divinity

Equality with Deity Expressed in Benediction
2 Cor. 13:14
Equality with Deity Expressed in Prayer
Eph. 3:16–19
Equality with Deity Expressed in Redemption
1 Pet. 1:2
Equality with Deity Expressed in the Baptismal Formula
Matt. 28:19
Equality with Deity Expressed in the Church
Eph. 2:22
Equality with Deity Expressed in the Distribution of Gifts
1 Cor. 12:4–6
Equality with Deity Expressed in the Mystery of Christ
Eph. 3:4–6
Equality with Deity Expressed in Unity
Eph. 4:4–6
Equality with Deity Expressed in Witness
Luke 12:11–12
The Spirit Has a Divine Source
The Spirit Proceeds from the Father
Ps. 104:30; Rom. 8:9; 1 Cor. 2:11–12
The Spirit Proceeds from the Son
John 16:7; Rom. 8:9
The Spirit Proceeds from Father and Son
Luke 24:49; John 15:26; John 16:13–15; Acts 2:33; Gal. 4:6
The Spirit Proceeds from Heaven
1 Pet. 1:12
The Spirit’s Work Is Divine

1. The Spirit Anoints
Acts 10:38; 1 John 2:20, 27
2. The Spirit Calls
2 Thess. 2:13–14
3. The Spirit Contends
Gen. 6:3
4. The Spirit Convicts
John 16:7–11
5. The Spirit Counsels
John 14:16–17; John 14:26; John 15:26; John 16:7
6. The Spirit Creates
Gen. 1:2–3; Job 33:4; Ps. 104:30; Isa. 40:12–14
7. The Spirit Empowers
Judg. 3:10; Judg. 6:34; Matt. 12:28; Acts 1:8; Rom. 15:19; Eph. 3:16
8. The Spirit Fills
Exod. 31:3; Acts 2:1–4; Acts 4:31; Acts 9:17; Acts 13:9; Acts 13:52; Eph. 5:18
9. The Spirit Generates Christ
Luke 1:35
10. The Spirit Gives Gifts



11. See Gifts of the Spirit
12. The Spirit Gives Life
John 6:63; Rom. 1:4; 1 Pet. 3:18
13. The Spirit Illumines
John 14:26
14. The Spirit Indwells
Gen. 41:38; Num. 27:18; Dan. 4:8; John 14:17; Rom. 8:9, 11; 1 Cor. 3:16; 1 Cor. 6:19; Gal. 4:6; 1 John 3:24
15. The Spirit Inspires
2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Pet. 1:21
16. The Spirit Intercedes
Rom. 8:26–27
17. The Spirit Regenerates
John 3:3–6; Titus 3:5
18. The Spirit Reveals
Luke 2:26; John 14:26; John 16:12–15; Acts 21:11; 1 Cor. 2:9–13
19. The Spirit Sanctifies
Rom. 15:16; 1 Cor. 6:11; 2 Thess. 2:13; 1 Pet. 1:2
20. The Spirit Seals
2 Cor. 1:22; 2 Cor. 5:5; Eph. 1:13–14; Eph. 4:30
21. The Spirit Testifies
John 15:26; Acts 5:30–32; Rom. 8:16; Heb. 10:15–17
a. The Holy Spirit in the OT
v. The Spirit Is Active in the World at Large
22. The Spirit as Giver of Life
Job 33:4; Ps. 104:30; Ezek. 37:14
23. The Spirit as Sustainer of Life
Gen. 6:3; Job 32:8; Job 34:14–15






The Spirit Was Active in IsThe Spirits activity with Israel in the OLD TESTAMENT
rael’s History
1. The Spirit’s Presence with Israell
a. The Spirit Accomplished God’s Will
in the World
Isa. 32:15; Isa. 34:16; Zech. 4:6
b. The Spirit Aroused and Energized the Judges
Judg. 3:10; Judg. 6:34; Judg. 11:29; Judg. 13:24–25
c. The Spirit Brought a Spirit of Repentance
Ps. 51:1, 11; Isa. 63:10–11
d. The Spirit Brought Messages from God
Num. 24:2–3; 2 Sam. 23:2; 2 Chron. 20:14–15; 2 Chron. 24:20; Ezek. 11:5; Zech. 7:12
e. The Spirit Brought the Abiding Presence
of God
Num. 27:18; 1 Sam. 10:6–7; 1 Sam. 16:13; Isa. 59:21; Hag. 2:5
f. The Spirit Brought the Power of God
Judg. 14:6; Judg. 14:19; Judg. 15:14–15; 1 Sam. 10:6, 10; 1 Sam. 11:6–7; 1 Sam. 16:13; Mic. 3:8
g. The Spirit Gave Guidance
1 Kings 18:12; Ps. 143:10; Isa. 48:16; Isa. 63:14
h. The Spirit Imparted Knowledge
Exod. 35:31; 1 Chron. 28:12; Isa. 11:2
i. The Spirit Imparted Wisdom and Skill
Gen. 41:38–39; Exod. 31:3–5; Exod. 35:31; Deut. 34:9; Dan. 5:11–14
j. The Spirit Inspired People to Prophesy
Num. 24:2–3; 2 Sam. 23:2; 1 Chron. 12:18; 2 Chron. 15:1–2; 2 Chron. 20:14–15; 2 Chron. 24:20; Neh. 9:30; Zech. 7:12
k. The Spirit Moved People to Action

1 Sam. 11:6–7; Ezek. 2:2; Ezek. 3:14
l. The Spirit Produced Ecstatic Experiences

m. Num. 11:25–29; 1 Sam. 19:19–24; Ezek. 8:3; Ezek. 11:24; Joel 2:28–29
n. The Spirit Produced Miraculous Events
2 Kings 2:13–16; Ezek. 8:3; Ezek. 11:1; Ezek. 43:5
2. The Spirit’s Message to Israel
a. A Message of Judgment
2 Chron. 24:20; Ezek. 11:5–12; Mic. 3:8
b. A Message of Deliverance and Blessing
Num. 24:2–9; 2 Sam. 23:2–5; 1 Chron. 12:18; 2 Chron. 15:1–7; 2 Chron. 20:14–15, 17; Hag. 2:5
3. The Spirit’s Presence Withdrawn
Num. 11:25, 29; Judg. 16:20; 1 Sam. 16:14; 1 Kings 22:24; Ps. 51:11

The Spirit Is Present in OT Prophecy

1. Prophecies Related to Israel
Isa. 32:14–15; Isa. 44:3–5; Isa. 59:21; Ezek. 36:26–29; Ezek. 37:14; Ezek. 39:25–29
2. Prophecies Related to the Messiah
Isa. 11:1–2; Isa. 42:1–3; Isa. 61:1–3
1. Prophecies Related to Mankind
Joel 2:28–29

gradyll said:

talkin about a ghost there, that was why He said that. Not that He was not spirit look at the verses regarding the spirit of Christ.

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And look again at:
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

he-man said:

And look again at:
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

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Just because Jesus submits to father doesn't mean all of these verses are nullified! Jesus is still God! Read it and weap.


Names of Jesus Christ who is God!


1. Adam, The Last
1 Cor. 15:45
2. Advocate
1 John 2:1
3. Almighty
Rev. 1:8
4. Alpha and Omega
Rev. 1:8; Rev. 22:13
5. Amen
Rev. 3:14
6. Angel of God’s Presence
Isa. 63:9
7. Anointed One
Ps. 2:2; Dan. 9:25; Acts 4:25–27
8. Apostle
Heb. 3:1
9. Arm of the Lord
Isa. 53:1–2
10. Atoning Sacrifice
1 John 2:2
11. Author of Faith
Heb. 12:2
12. Author of Life
Acts 3:15
13. Author of Salvation
Heb. 2:10


14. Banner
Isa. 11:10, 12
15. Beginning and End
Rev. 22:13
16. Beloved One
Eph. 1:6
17. Branch
Isa. 4:2; Isa. 11:1; Jer. 23:5; Zech. 3:8; Zech. 6:12
18. Bread of God
John 6:32–33
19. Bread of Life
John 6:35, 48–51
20. Bridegroom
Matt. 9:15; Matt. 25:1–13; John 3:29
21. Capstone
Matt. 21:42
22. Chief Shepherd
1 Pet. 5:4
23. Child
Isa. 9:6; 1 John 5:1
24. Chosen One
Isa. 42:1; Luke 23:35
25. Chosen Servant
Matt. 12:18


26. Christ
Matt. 1:16; Matt. 16:20; Mark 14:61; Luke 2:11; Luke 9:20; Luke 23:2; Luke 23:35, 39; John 1:41; John 12:34; Acts 2:31, 36; Acts 3:18; Acts 5:42; Rom. 5:8; Rom. 9:5; Rom. 10:4; Rom. 14:9; 1 Cor. 1:23–24; 1 Cor. 2:16; 1 Cor. 3:23; 1 Cor. 12:27; 2 Cor. 2:17; Gal. 3:13; Eph. 5:21, 23–25, 29, 32; Phil. 1:21; Col. 3:15; Philem. 6; Heb. 3:6; Heb. 9:15; 1 Pet. 5:10, 14; 1 John 5:1; Rev. 11:15
27. Christ Jesus
Rom. 3:22–24; Rom. 8:1; Rom. 15:5; Rom. 16:3; 1 Cor. 1:2, 30; Gal. 2:16; Phil. 1:1, 6, 8; Phil. 3:3, 8; Col. 2:6; 1 Thess. 5:18; 1 Tim. 1:1; 1 Tim. 2:5; 1


Tim. 3:13; 1 Tim. 4:6; 1 Tim. 5:21; 2 Tim. 1:9–10; 2 Tim. 2:10; 2 Tim. 3:15
28. Commander of the Lord’s Army
Josh. 5:14–15
29. Commander of the Peoples
Isa. 55:4
30. Consolation of Israel
Luke 2:25
31. Cornerstone
Eph. 2:20; 1 Pet. 2:6
32. David
Jer. 30:9; Ezek. 37:24–25; Hos. 3:5
33. Deliverer
Rom. 11:26
34. Desired of All Nations
Hag. 2:7
35. Doctor
Matt. 9:12
36. Eternal Life
1 John 5:20
37. Everlasting Father
Isa. 9:6
38. Exact Representation of God’s Being
Heb. 1:3
39. Faithful and True
Rev. 19:11
40. Faithful and True Witness
Rev. 3:14
41. Faithful Witness
Rev. 1:5
42. First and Last
Rev. 1:17; Rev. 2:8; Rev. 22:13
43. Firstborn
Ps. 89:2; Rom. 8:29; Col. 1:15, 18; Heb. 1:6; Rev. 1:5
44. FirstfruitsFirst fruits
1 Cor. 15:20, 23
45. Foolishness
1 Cor. 1:23
46. Forerunner
Heb. 6:19–20
47. Foundation
1 Cor. 3:11
48. Fountain
Zech. 13:1
49. Friend of Sinners
Matt. 11:19
50. Gate
John 10:7–9
51. Gift of God
John 4:10; 2 Cor. 9:15
52. Glory of Israel
Luke 2:32



53. Glory of the Lord
Isa. 40:5
54. God
Mark 2:1–12l Rom. 9:5; Titus 2:13; 2 Pet. 1:1; 1 John 5:20
55. Good Shepherd
John 10:11, 14
56. Great Shepherd
Heb. 13:20
57. Guarantee
Heb. 7:22
58. Head
1 Cor. 11:3; Eph. 5:23; Col. 1:18; Col. 2:10
59. Heir of All Things
Heb. 1:2
60. Hen
Matt. 23:37
61. High Priest
Ps. 110:4; Heb. 2:17; Heb. 3:1; Heb. 4:14; Heb. 6:20
62. Holiness
1 Cor. 1:30
63. Holy One (of God)
Ps. 16:10; Mark 1:24; Luke 1:35; John 6:69; Acts 2:27
64. Holy Servant
Acts 4:27–30


65. Hope
1 Tim. 1:1
66. Hope of Glory
Col. 1:27
67. Hope of Israel
Acts 28:20;
68. Horn of Salvation
Luke 1:69
69. I Am
Exod. 3:14; John 8:58
70. Image of God
2 Cor. 4:4; Col. 1:15
71. Immanuel
Isa. 7:14; Matt. 1:23
72. Jehovah (Yahweh)
Exod. 6:3; Isa. 40:3
73. Jehovah (Yahweh) Our Righteousness
Jer. 23:6
74. Jesus
Matt. 1:16; Matt. 1:21; Matt. 26:71; Matt. 27:37; Luke 2:21; Luke 23:42; John 1:45; John 9:22; John 20:31; Acts 1:11; Acts 4:2; Acts 9:20; Acts 10:38; Acts 13:23; Acts 26:15; Rom. 10:9; 1 Cor. 12:3; 2

Cor. 4:10; Gal. 6:17; Eph. 4:21; Phil. 2:10; 1 Thess. 1:10; 1 Thess. 4:14; Heb. 2:9; Heb. 7:22; Heb. 7:24; 2 Pet. 1:2; 1 John 1:7; 1 John 2:6; 1 John 5:1; Rev. 12:17
75. Jesus Christ
Mark 1:1; John 1:17; John 17:3; Acts 4:10; Acts 16:18; 1 Cor. 1:2, 30; 1 Cor. 2:2; Gal. 2:16; Phil. 2:11; Titus 2:13; Titus 3:6; Heb. 13:8; Heb. 13:21; 2 Pet. 1:1; 2 Pet. 1:11; 2 Pet. 2:20; 2 Pet. 3:18
76. Judge
Acts 10:42; Rev. 19:11
77. King
Jer. 23:5; Matt. 25:34; John 18:36–37
78. King of Israel
John 1:49
79. King of Kings
1 Tim. 6:15; Rev. 17:14; Rev. 19:16

80. King of the Ages
Rev. 15:3
81. King of the Jews
Matt. 2:1–2; Matt. 27:37
82. King of Zion
Ps. 2:6; Matt. 21:5
83. King over the Whole Earth
Zech. 14:9
84. Lamb (of God)
John 1:29; John 1:36; 1 Pet. 1:19; Rev. 5:6, 8, 12–13; Rev. 6:1; Rev. 6:16; Rev. 7:9–10, 14; Rev. 12:11; Rev. 13:8; Rev. 14:1, 4; Rev. 15:3; Rev. 17:14; Rev. 19:7, 9; Rev. 21:22–23; Rev. 22:1, 3
85. Lamp
Rev. 21:23
86. Launderer’s Soap
Mal. 3:2
87. Leader
Isa. 55:4
88. Life
John 11:25; John 14:6; Col. 3:4


89. Life-giving Spirit
1 Cor. 15:45
90. Light (of the World)
John 1:1–2, 4–9; John 8:12; John 9:5
91. Light for the Gentiles
Isa. 49:6; Luke 2:32
92. Lion of the Tribe of Judah
Rev. 5:5
93. Living One
Rev. 1:18
94. Living Stone
1 Pet. 2:4
95. Lord
Ps. 110:1; Mal. 3:1; Matt. 7:21; Matt. 24:42; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:46; John 6:68; John 13:13; Acts 2:36; Acts 3:19; Rom. 10:13; 1 Cor. 3:5; 1 Cor. 4:4; 1 Cor. 11:23, 26; 2 Cor. 5:6–8; Eph. 6:7–8; Col. 3:23–24; 1 Thess. 4:16–17; 2 Tim. 2:22; 2 Tim. 4:8; Heb. 2:3; 1 Pet. 2:3; 2 Pet. 1:11



96. Lord God Almighty
Rev. 4:8; Rev. 15:3
97. Lord Jesus
Acts 7:59; Acts 8:16; Acts 11:20; Acts 15:11; Acts 16:31; Acts 20:21; 1 Cor. 5:4–5; 2 Cor. 11:31; Col. 3:17; 1 Thess. 4:1–2; 2 Thess. 1:7–8; Heb. 13:20; 2 Pet. 1:2; Rev. 22:20–21
98. Lord Jesus Christ
Acts 11:17; Rom. 5:1, 11; Rom. 6:23; Rom. 7:25; Rom. 8:39; Rom. 13:14; Rom. 15:30; 1 Cor. 1:2–3, 10; 1 Cor. 6:11; Phil. 3:20; 1 Tim. 1:12; Philem. 25; James 2:1; 1 Pet. 1:3; Jude 21
99. Lord of All
Acts 10:36; Rom. 10:12
100. Lord of Glory
1 Cor. 2:8
101. tab 101. Lord of Lords
1 Tim. 6:15; Rev. 17:14; Rev. 19:16

102. Lord of the Dead and the Living
Rom. 14:9
103. Lord of the Sabbath
Matt. 12:8
104. Man
John 19:5; Acts 17:31; Rom. 5:15; 1 Tim. 2:5
105. Man of Sorrows
Isa. 53:3
106. Master
Matt. 23:8
107. Mediator
1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 8:6; Heb. 9:15; Heb. 12:24
108. Melchizedek
Heb. 7:1–3
109. Messenger of the Covenant
Mal. 3:1
110. Messiah
John 1:41; John 4:25
111. Mighty God
Isa. 9:6
112. Morning Star
2 Pet. 1:19; Rev. 22:16
113. Most Exalted of the Kings of the Earth
Ps. 89:27
114. Nazarene
Matt. 2:23; Mark 14:67; Mark 16:6
115. Offspring of David
Rev. 22:16
116. One Greater Than Jonah
Luke 11:29–30, 32
117. One Greater Than Solomon
Luke 11:31
118. One Who Is, Was, and Is to Come
Rev. 1:4; Rev. 1:8
119. One Who Will Baptize with the Holy Spirit
Mark 1:7–8
120. Only Begotten
John 1:14; John 3:16; 1 John 4:9
121. Overseer
1 Pet. 2:25
122. Passover Lamb
1 Cor. 5:7
123. Peace
Eph. 2:14–15
124. Perfecter of Faith
Heb. 12:2
125. Physician
Luke 4:23
126. Power
1 Cor. 1:24

127. Prince
Acts 5:31
128. Prince of Peace
Isa. 9:6
129. Prophet
Luke 24:19; John 7:40; Acts 3:22
130. Purifier
Mal. 3:3; Matt. 3:12
131. Rabbi
Mark 14:45; John 1:38; John 1:49; John 3:2; John 6:25; John 9:2
132. Rabboni
John 20:16
133. Radiance of God’s Glory
Heb. 1:3
134. Ransom
1 Tim. 2:5–6
135. Redeemer
Job 19:25; Isa. 59:20
136. Redemption
1 Cor. 1:30
137. Refiner
Mal. 3:3
138. Refiner’s Fire
Mal. 3:2
139. Resurrection
John 11:25

140. Righteous Judge
Acts 10:42; 2 Tim. 4:8
141. Righteousness
1 Cor. 1:30
142. Righteous One
Acts 3:14; Acts 7:52; Acts 22:14; 1 John 2:1
143. Righteous Servant
Isa. 53:11
144. Rising Sun
Luke 1:76–79
145. Rock
1 Cor. 10:4; 1 Pet. 2:8
146. Root of David
Rev. 5:5; Rev. 22:16
147. Root of Jesse
Isa. 11:10
148. Ruler
Mic. 5:1; Matt. 2:6; 1 Tim. 6:15
149. Ruler of God’s Creation
Rev. 3:14
150. Ruler of the Kings of the Earth
Rev. 1:5
Ruler over Israel
Mic. 5:2
151.
152. Salvation
Luke 2:29–32

153. Savior
Luke 2:11; John 4:42; Acts 5:31; Acts 13:23; Eph. 5:23; 2 Tim. 1:10; Titus 2:13; Titus 3:6; 2 Pet. 1:11; 2 Pet. 3:18; 1 John 4:14
154. Second Man
1 Cor. 15:47
155. Seed (of the Woman)
Gen. 3:15; Gal. 3:16
156. Servant
Isa. 42:1; Isa. 49:3–7; Isa. 52:13; Isa. 53:11; Zech. 3:8; Matt. 12:18; Luke 22:27; Acts 3:13; Acts 3:25–26
157. Shepherd
Matt. 2:6; 1 Pet. 2:25
158. Shiloh
Gen. 49:10
159. Son
Ps. 2:7, 12; Isa. 9:6; Matt. 3:17; Matt. 11:27; John 3:35; John 5:22–23; Rom. 1:3; Col. 1:13; Heb. 1:2–3; 1 John 2:23
160. Son of David
Matt. 15:22


161. Son of God
Isa. 9:6; Matt. 4:3; Matt. 8:29; Luke 1:35; John 1:34; John 1:49; John 5:18; John 10:36; John 15:10; John 19:7; John 20:17, 30–31; Acts 9:20; Rom. 1:4; Rom. 8:3, 32; 2 Cor. 11:31; Gal. 4:4; Eph. 1:3; 1 John 4:14; 1 John 5:5, 20; Rev. 2:18
162. Son of Joseph
Luke 3:23; John 1:45; John 6:42
163. Son of Man
Dan. 7:13; Matt. 8:20; Matt. 10:23; Matt. 11:19; Matt. 13:37, 41; Matt. 16:13; Matt. 17:9; Matt. 17:22; Matt. 24:27, 30; Matt. 25:31; Matt. 26:2; Matt. 26:24; Matt. 26:45; Mark 2:28; Mark 8:38; Mark 9:12; Luke 5:24; Luke 6:22; Luke 11:30; Luke 12:8;

164. Luke 17:22; Luke 19:10; Luke 21:36; John 1:51; John 3:13; John 5:27; John 6:53; John 6:62; John 8:28; John 9:35; John 12:23; John 13:31; Acts 7:56; Rev. 1:13.
165. Son of Mary
Matt. 1:16, 18; Mark 6:3
166. Son of the Blessed One
Mark 14:61
167. Son of the Living God
Matt. 16:16
168. Son of the Most High
Luke 1:32
169. Source of Eternal Salvation
Heb. 5:9
170. Sovereign
Jude 4
171. Stone
Matt. 21:42; 1 Pet. 2:4–8
172. Stumbling Block
1 Cor. 1:23; 1 Pet. 2:4–8
173. Sun of Righteousness
Mal. 4:2
174. Teacher
Matt. 19:16; Matt. 23:10; John 11:28; John 13:13
175. Tested Stone
Isa. 28:16
176. True God
1 John 5:20
177. True Light
John 1:9
178. (True) Witness
Isa. 55:4; John 18:37; Rev. 3:14
179. Truth
John 14:6
180. Vine
John 15:1
181. Way
John 14:6
182. Wisdom
Prov. 8:12; 1 Cor. 1:23–24, 30
183. Wonderful Counselor
Isa. 9:6
184. Word (of God)
John 1:1, 14; Rev. 19:13
185. Word of Life
1 John 1:1
186. The Name of Christ
187. Believers Are Anointed in His Name
James 5:14

188. Believers Are Baptized into His Name
Acts 2:38; Acts 8:16; Acts 10:48; Acts 19:5
189. Believers Are Forgiven in His Name
Luke 24:46–47; Acts 10:43; Acts 22:16; 1 John 2:12
190. Believers Are Justified in His Name
1 Cor. 6:11
191. Believers Are Protected by His Name
John 17:11–12
192. Believers Assemble in His Name
Matt. 18:20; 1 Cor. 5:4
193. Believers Bear His Name
Acts 9:15; 1 Pet. 4:16
194. Believers Believe in His Name
John 1:12; John 3:18; Acts 3:16; 1 John 3:23; 1 John 5:13
195. Believers Call on His Name
Acts 9:14; Acts 9:21; Acts 22:16; Rom. 10:13; 1 Cor. 1:2
196. Believers Call on His Name for Salvation
Acts 2:21; Acts 4:12
197. Believers Command and Make Appeals in His Name
1 Cor. 1:10; 2 Thess. 3:6
198. Believers Do Everything in His Name
Col. 3:17
199. Believers Do Miracles and Heal in His Name
Mark 9:39; Acts 3:6; Acts 3:16; Acts 4:10; Acts 4:30
200. Believers Drive Out Demons in His Name
Mark 9:38; Luke 10:17; Acts 16:18
201. Believers Give Thanks in His Name
Eph. 5:20
202. Believers Glorify His Name
2 Thess. 1:12
203. Believers Have Life in His Name
John 20:31
204. Believers Make Requests in His Name
John 14:13–14; John 16:23–24, 26
205. Believers Speak, Preach, and Teach in His Name
Acts 4:18; Acts 5:28; Acts 5:40; Acts 8:12; Acts 9:27–28
206. Believers Suffer for His Name
Luke 21:12; John 15:20–21; Acts 5:41; Acts 9:15–16; Acts 15:26; Acts 21:13; 1 Pet. 4:14; Rev. 2:3
Jesus’ Name Is
Supreme over All
Acts 4:12; Phil. 2:9–11; Heb. 1:4
The Holy Spirit Was Sent in Jesus’ Name
John 14:26
207. Believers Experience Much in Jesus’ Name

gradyll said:

Just because Jesus submits to father doesn't mean all of these verses are nullified! Jesus is still God! Read it and weap.

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Guess your god died.
Ro 8:29 For whom He intended for, He also designed for1 to be conformed to the figure of His Son, that he might be the firstborn [out of the dead ones] among many brethren.
1 * Greek προγινω προορίζω appropriate, foreordain, design for, intend for

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the assembly: who is a beginning of the firstborn from the dead; that among all he might be first.

Childbirth (also called labour, birth, partus or parturition) is the culmination of a human pregnancy or gestation period with the birth of one or more newborn infants from a woman's uterus through vaginal birth. The vagina (from Latin vagina, literally "sheath" C17: from L., lit. 'sheath, scabbard'.

Joh 1:18 God no one has seen at any time; the Son of God, who came in the sheath1 of the Father, from there has been to serve as an example
1* Greek κόλπος gulf, vagina, sheath

Lu 2:7 And she gave birth to her firstborn son, and wrapped him in a cradle1 in swaddling clothes, and in a relaxed position2 put him in a Creche3; for there was no place4 for them in the bedchamber5.
1* Greek 4683 εσπαργανωσεν cradled, cunabula

2* Greek 347 ανακλινω in a relaxed position

3* Greek 5336 φατνη Creche, infants bed; crib

4* Greek 5117 τόπος τοποθετώ place

5* Greek 2646 κατάλυμα accommodation, (archaic) bedchamber

he-man said:

Guess your god died.
Ro 8:29 For whom He intended for, He also designed for1 to be conformed to the figure of His Son, that he might be the firstborn [out of the dead ones] among many brethren.
1 * Greek προγινω προορίζω appropriate, foreordain, design for, intend for

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the assembly: who is a beginning of the firstborn from the dead; that among all he might be first.

Childbirth (also called labour, birth, partus or parturition) is the culmination of a human pregnancy or gestation period with the birth of one or more newborn infants from a woman's uterus through vaginal birth. The vagina (from Latin vagina, literally "sheath" C17: from L., lit. 'sheath, scabbard'.

Joh 1:18 God no one has seen at any time; the Son of God, who came in the sheath1 of the Father, from there has been to serve as an example
1* Greek κόλπος gulf, vagina, sheath

Lu 2:7 And she gave birth to her firstborn son, and wrapped him in a cradle1 in swaddling clothes, and in a relaxed position2 put him in a Creche3; for there was no place4 for them in the bedchamber5.
1* Greek 4683 εσπαργανωσεν cradled, cunabula

2* Greek 347 ανακλινω in a relaxed position

3* Greek 5336 φατνη Creche, infants bed; crib

4* Greek 5117 τόπος τοποθετώ place

5* Greek 2646 κατάλυμα accommodation, (archaic) bedchamber

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God did die actually.

The alpha and omega, beginning and then end, the first and the last,

died in Revelation 1:18

Jehovah's witnesses are stuck on this verse because it's Jesus talking at the beginning of the chapter, yet Jesus cannot be the almighty. They use this term for God alone.



So is God almighty v8? we know in verse 7 it's Jesus coming in the clouds, so it must be Him still speaking!

Well the almighty died v18

so that means the God died.

sorry about that.

We must believe the Bible and not man's opinions.

he-man said:

Joh 1:18 God no one has seen at any time; the Son of God, who came in the sheath1 of the Father, from there has been to serve as an example
1* Greek κόλπος gulf, vagina, sheath

Lu 2:7 And she gave birth to her firstborn son, and wrapped him in a cradle1 in swaddling clothes, and in a relaxed position2 put him in a Creche3; for there was no place4 for them in the bedchamber5.
1* Greek 4683 εσπαργανωσεν cradled, cunabula

2* Greek 347 ανακλινω in a relaxed position

3* Greek 5336 φατνη Creche, infants bed; crib

4* Greek 5117 τόπος τοποθετώ place

5* Greek 2646 κατάλυμα accommodation, (archaic) bedchamber

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He-man, I'm having some troubles with this.
kolpos is busom, as if held close to the chest.
esparanosen is wrapped up.
anaklino is recline.
fatne is a place where animals are fed, a manger.
topos is place, topotheto is place-put, a place to put.
kataluma is an inn or more like a hostel, a place to stay when on a journey.

gradyll said:

God did die actually. Well the almighty died v18 so that means the God died. sorry about that. We must believe the Bible and not man's opinions.

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Oh how we practice to deceive...

Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Rev 1:19Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealeditunto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Timothew said:

He-man, I'm having some troubles with this.
kolpos is busom, as if held close to the chest.
esparanosen is wrapped up.
anaklino is recline.
fatne is a place where animals are fed, a manger.
topos is place, topotheto is place-put, a place to put.
kataluma is an inn or more like a hostel, a place to stay when on a journey.

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Does it seem right to you that they would stay in a stable when there own relatives were in the same town? Here is the Greek:
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]G2859 κόλπον κόλπος κολεού κολεός gulf, vagina; vaginal; bay; trick; loch; basin ΜΕ: from OFr. golfe, from Ital. golfo, based on Gk kolpos ‘gulf’: from L., lit. ‘sheath ΟΕ scth, sceath, of Gmc origin[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]Act 27:39 And when it was day, they knew not the land: but they discovered a certain creek<G2859> with a shore, into the which they were minded, if it were possible, to thrust in the ship. KJV YLT

Act 27:39 And when it was day they did not recognise the land; but they perceived a certain bay <G2859>having a strand, on which they were minded, Darby
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]G4683 &#949;&#963;&#960;&#945;&#961;&#947;&#945;&#957;&#969;&#963;&#949;&#957; cradled, cunabula;
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]swaddling clothes turgid; Swelling in style or language, pompous[/FONT][/FONT]

G347 [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]&#945;&#957;&#945;&#954;&#955;&#953;&#957;&#969; lean &#959;r lie back in a relaxed position, recline[/FONT][/FONT]

G5336 [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]&#966;&#945;&#964;&#957;&#951; Creche, infants bed; crib, manger, rack, stall[/FONT][/FONT]

G5117 [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]&#964;&#972;&#960;&#959;&#962; &#964;&#959;&#960;&#959;&#952;&#949;&#964;&#974; place, position, stead, station, post, seat, standing, capacity, status; (n.) location, role, function, &#957;. put, lay; lodge, house; nominate; appoint, charge with; compare G3307, G2325[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]G2646 &#954;&#945;&#964;&#940;&#955;&#965;&#956;&#945; accommodation, (archaic) bedchamber [/FONT][/FONT]
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Mat 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]Mar 14:14 And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber,<G2646> where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? KJV YLT

Mar 14:14 and wherever he enters, say to the master of the house, 'The Teacher says, Where is my guest room <G2646>, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?' ESV
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he-man said:

Oh how we practice to deceive...

Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Rev 1:19Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealeditunto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

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so what your saying is:

you can't answer the verse in revelation that says

Jesus is the almighty,

and

the almighty died!

Thats a start.