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Letter "E" continued:

The Roman Catholic Church also claims the [dangerously erroneous] doctrine of the "two swords" and that "she" wields the "temporal sword" in "her" hand [being but an extension of "her" divine and supreme authority], and that "she" is in masterful control and command of where it may and should swing:

"...We are informed by the texts of the gospels that in this Church and in its power are two swords; namely, the spiritual and the temporal. For when the Apostles say: "Behold, here are two swords" [Lk 22:38] that is to say, in the Church, since the Apostles were speaking, the Lord did not reply that there were too many, but sufficient. Certainly the one who denies that the temporal sword is in the power of Peter has not listened well to the word of the Lord commanding: "Put up thy sword into thy scabbard" [Mt 26:52]. Both, therefore, are in the power of the Church, that is to say, the spiritual and the material sword, but the former is to be administered for the Church but the latter by the Church; the former in the hands of the priest; the latter by the hands of kings and soldiers, but at the will and sufferance of the priest. ..." [Roman Catholic Online Library, Church Documents; Unam Sanctam; His Holiness Pope Boniface VIII; November 18, 1302] - http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_bo08us.htm

"...Then follow some principles and conclusions concerning the spiritual and the secular power:

Under the control of the Church are two swords, that is two powers, the expression referring to the medieval theory of the two swords, the spiritual and the secular. This is substantiated by the customary reference to the swords of the Apostles at the arrest of Christ (Luke 22:38; Matthew 26:52).

Both swords are in the power of the Church; the spiritual is wielded in the Church by the hand of the clergy; the secular is to be employed for the Church by the hand of the civil authority, but under the direction of the spiritual power.

The one sword must be subordinate to the other: the earthly power must submit to the spiritual authority, as this has precedence of the secular on account of its greatness and sublimity; for the spiritual power has the right to establish and guide the secular power, and also to judge it when it does not act rightly. When, however, the earthly power goes astray, it is judged by the spiritual power; a lower spiritual power is judged by a higher, the highest spiritual power is judged by God.

This authority, although granted to man, and exercised by man, is not a human authority, but rather a Divine one, granted to Peter by Divine commission and confirmed in him and his successors. Consequently, whoever opposes this power ordained of God opposes the law of God and seems, like a Manichaean, to accept two principles.

"Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman pontiff" (Porro subesse Romano Pontifici omni humanae creaturae declaramus, dicimus, definimus, et pronuntiamus omnino esse de necessitate salutis).

The Bull is universal in character. … In the registers, on the margin of the text of the record, the last sentence is noted as its real definition: "Declaratio quod subesse Romano Pontifici est omni humanae creaturae de necessitate salutis" (It is here stated that for salvation it is necessary that every human creature be subject to the authority of the Roman pontiff). ..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; section on Unam Sanctam] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15126a.htm

"...Its chief concepts are as follows (Hergenröther-Kirsch, 4th ed., II, 593): (1) There is but one true Church, outside of which there is no salvation; but one body of Christ with one head and not two. (2) That head is Christ and His representative, the Roman pope; whoever refuses the pastoral care of Peter belongs not to the flock of Christ. (3) There are two swords (i.e., powers), the spiritual and the temporal; the first borne by the Church, the second for the Church; the first by the hand of the priest, the second by that of the king, but under the direction of the priest (ad nutum et patientiam sacerdotis). (4) Since there must be a co- ordination of members from the lowest to the highest, it follows that the spiritual power is above the temporal and has the right to instruct (or establish--instituere) the latter regarding its highest end and to judge it when it does evil; whoever resists the highest power ordained of God resists God Himself. (5) It is necessary for salvation that all men should be subject to the Roman Pontiff--"Porro subesse Romano Pontifici omni humanæ creaturæ declaramus, dicimus, definimus et pronunciamus omnino esse de necessitate salutis". ..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; Pope Boniface VIII; (BENEDETTO GAETANO)] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02662a.htm

Also seen in "Contra Faustum" [Augustine]; Point 77, Two Swords... "... And we find in the passage that we have quoted from the Gospel, that the words spoken by the Lord were carried into effect by His disciples. For, besides going at first without scrip or purse, and yet lacking nothing, as from the Lord's question and their answer it is plain they did, now that He speaks of buying a sword, they say, "Lo, here are two swords;" and He replied, "It is enough." Hence we find Peter with a weapon when he cut off the assailant's ear, on which occasion his spontaneous boldness was checked, because, although he had been told to take a sword, he had not been told to use it. Doubtless, it was mysterious that the Lord should require them to carry weapons, and forbid the use of them. But it was His part to give the suitable precepts, and it was their part to obey without reserve. ..." [Roman Catholic Online Fathers of the Church; Contra Faustum (Augustine); Book XXII] - http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/140622.htm

The Roman Catholic Church openly says that "she" may use deadly force:

"... The Catholic Church is a respecter of conscience and of liberty... she believes and professes that “faith is a work of persuasion, not of force, fides suandenda est, non imponenda.” She has, and she loudly proclaims that she has, a “horror of blood”. Nevertheless when confronted by heresy she does not content herself with persuasion; arguments of an intellectual and moral order appear to her insufficient and she has recourse to force, to corporal punishment, to torture. She creates [p. 182 → p. 183] tribunals like those of the Inquisition, she calls the laws of State to her aid, if necessary she encourages a crusade, or a religious war and all her “horror of blood” practically culminates into urging the secular power to shed it, which proceeding is almost more odious – for it is less frank – than shedding it herself. Especially did she act thus in the sixteenth century with regard to Protestants. Not content to reform morally, to preach by example, to convert people by eloquent and holy missionaries, she lit in Italy, in the Low Countries, and above all in Spain the funeral piles of the Inquisition. In France under Francis I. And Henry II., in England under Mary Tudor, she tortured the heretics, whilst both in France and Germany during the second half of the sixteenth and the first half of the seventeenth century is she did not actually begin, at anyrate she encouraged and actively sided the religious wars. No one will deny that we have here a great scandal to our contemporaries excepting to a certain class still having few adherents which theoretically – but theory often gives way before facts – affects a certain taste for violence and bloodshed." [The Renaissance and Protestantism; Lectures given at the Catholic Institute of Paris January to March 1904; By Alfred Baudrillart; Rector of the Catholic Institute of Paris; With a prefatory letter from H. E. Cardinal Perraud of the French Academy; Authorised Translation By Mrs. Philip Gibbs; Chapter VII [7]; On the use of force by the Catholic Church against Protestants – The Inquisition in Italy and in Spain – Religious wars – Protestant intolerance.] - http://ia600204.us.archive.org/3/items/catholicchurchre00bauduoft/catholicchurchre00bauduoft.pdf [The International Catholic Library – Edited by Rev. J. Wilhelm, D.D., Ph.D. Joint Author of the Manual of Catholic Theology.

IV [4] . The Catholic Church. The Renaissance. Protestantism. By Alfred Baudrillart, Rector of the Catholic Institute of Paris. Translated by Mrs Philip Gibbs. Price 7s. 6d.

London; Kegan Paul, Trench, Trubner & Co. Ltd. Dryden House, Gerrard Street, W. 1907

Nihil Obstat
J. Wilhelm, S.T.D.
Censor deputatus

Imprimi potest
[Maltese Cross] Gulielmus
Episcopus Arindelensis
Vicarius Generalis

Westmonasterii
die 11 Martii 1907] - http://www.archive.org/details/catholicchurchre00bauduoft

"... That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history. The memorials, indeed, of many of her persecutions are now so scanty, that it is impossible to form a complete conception of the multitude of her victims, and it is quite certain that no powers of imagination can adequately realise their sufferings. Llorente, who had free access to the archives of the Spanish Inquisition, assures us that by that tribunal alone more than 31,000 persons were burnt, and more than 290,000 condemned to punishments less severe than death. [1.] ..." [History of the Rise and Influence of the spirit of Rationalism in Europe Vol . II [2]; By W.E.H. Lecky, M.A. Revised Edition. In Two Volumes. New York and London; D. Appleton and Company 1919. pp 40; [1.] Llorente, Hist. De l'Inquisition, tom. iv. [4] pp 271,272. "...Llorente having been himself at one time secretary in the Inquisition, and having during the occupation by the French had access to all the secret papers of the tribunal, will always be the highest authority. ..."] - http://files.libertyfund.org/files/1667/Lecky_1341.02.pdf

Is this old news, or is it rather current standing Roman Catholic Canon Law? - It is current:

[Official Roman Catholic Canon Law up next]

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“Official Roman Catholic Canon Law”:

" … Can. 4 Acquired rights and privileges granted to physical or juridic persons up to this time by the Apostolic See remain intact if they are in use and have not been revoked, unless the canons of this Code expressly revoke them. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK I. GENERAL NORMS LIBER I. DE NORMIS GENERALIBUS] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2.HTM

Remember, we should already know that this current Canon Law, does not even once abrogate or "expressly revoke" the death penalty for Heretics, for the very Roman Catholic Encyclopedia testifies that the penalty still exists, but is merely dormant [as it is still in place and in use in this Canon Law, but not fully enforced], as is said, it is at this time in "abeyance", having adapted itself to "time and place". Therefore Canon 4 directly allows the death penalty to remain intact in its subtle manner.

" … Can. 6 §1. When this Code takes force, the following are abrogated:
1/ the Code of Canon Law promulgated in 1917;
2/ other universal or particular laws contrary to the prescripts of this Code unless other provision is expressly made for particular laws;
3/ any universal or particular penal laws whatsoever issued by the Apostolic See unless they are contained in this Code;
4/ other universal disciplinary laws regarding matter which this Code completely reorders.
§2. Insofar as they repeat former law, the canons of this Code must be assessed also in accord with canonical tradition. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK I. GENERAL NORMS LIBER I. DE NORMIS GENERALIBUS] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2.HTM

It would seem that this Canon [6] takes away a great deal and might possibly seem to favor an annullment of the death penalty, but let us not misunderstand the terms given, for the words again allow for it instead.

We see that any "universal or particular" laws which are "contrary" to the Code of Canon Law are "abrogated", but we already know according to the Roman Catholic system of theology that the death penalty is not "contrary to our Lord's command" [Thomas Aquinas; Summa Theologica; etc], and thus fully allows for it, and this Canon expresses itself in the language of "unless they are contained in this code". It can be seen under the terminology of the phrase "just penalty". We also see, that this Canon [6] allows even further by saying, "insofar as they repeat former law" and in accord with "canonical tradition".

What was the "canonical tradition" of the past in regards to the matter of penalties for absolute "heretics" [RCC def.]?

Remember, we are not merely considering "capital punishment" as a subject, but rather "capital punishment" which includes "heresy" as a high crime fit to be punished under such and is considered a "mortal sin" in the "matters" of "faith and morals".

" … Can. 9 Laws regard the future, not the past, unless they expressly provide for the past. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK I. GENERAL NORMS LIBER I. DE NORMIS GENERALIBUS; TITLE I. ECCLESIASTICAL LAWS (Cann. 7 - 22)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P3.HTM

Again, we see that this Canon [9] allows for those Laws which it "expressly" provides for [under Canon 4 and 6] to remain in full effect, already being decreed.

" … Can. 12 §1. Universal laws bind everywhere all those for whom they were issued. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK I. GENERAL NORMS LIBER I. DE NORMIS GENERALIBUS; TITLE I. ECCLESIASTICAL LAWS (Cann. 7 - 22)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P3.HTM

This Canon [12], in combination with the previous ones, is very powerful, and also dangerous, for it continues to uphold those universal Papal decrees against Heretics and Heresy.

" … Can. 16 §1. The legislator authentically interprets laws as does the one to whom the same legislator has entrusted the power of authentically interpreting.

§2. An authentic interpretation put forth in the form of law has the same force as the law itself and must be promulgated. If it only declares the words of the law which are certain in themselves, it is retroactive; if it restricts or extends the law, or if it explains a doubtful law, it is not retroactive. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK I. GENERAL NORMS LIBER I. DE NORMIS GENERALIBUS; TITLE I. ECCLESIASTICAL LAWS (Cann. 7 - 22)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P3.HTM

This Canon [16] declares that the "Legislator" [read "Pope"] is the authentic interpreter of the Canon Laws and to whomsoever they decide to entrust with such authority. They give the "authentic interpretation" of any Canon Laws, and thus by their decrees and bulls [Unam Sanctum, etc.] uphold the penalty of death for Heretics.

" … Can. 27 Custom is the best interpreter of laws. ..." [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK I. GENERAL NORMS LIBER I. DE NORMIS GENERALIBUS; TITLE II. CUSTOM (Cann. 23 - 28)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P4.HTM

This Canon is probably one of the most dangerous, as it clearly indicates that the past "custom" [that which had been done previously in the past, used as examples, precedence] is the "best interpreter" of current Canon Law, and therefore pre-defines its subtle terminology and terms by past decrees and events [Inquisitions].

So while the current Canon Law does not actually use extreme words like "burn", "stake", "death", etc., this is because the past laws that this Canon Law refer to already allow for those definitions to be included from previous documents and decrees, such as "torture" and "death" to heretics.

This current Canon simply uses other language [ie. "just penalty"], "The phrase "a just penalty" means that a penalty (e.g., restitution, interdict, excommunication) can be tailored to fit the crime." - http://www.canonlaw.info/blogarch05.htm or "...this phrase allows great flexibility in responding to a particular situation." - http://www.canonlaw.info/blogarch05.htm to express those uses.

The Roman Catholic Canon Law is overwhelming given in 'lawyer speak', being most careful and circumspect to avoid openly using, what would be to most, 'offensive' terms and is not meant for the average "lay person" to comprehend, for they are to rely upon a studied Canonist or Canon Lawyer.

" … Can. 129 §1. Those who have received sacred orders are qualified, according to the norm of the prescripts of the law, for the power of governance, which exists in the Church by divine institution and is also called the power of jurisdiction. ..." [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK I. GENERAL NORMS LIBER I. DE NORMIS GENERALIBUS; TITLE VIII. THE POWER OF GOVERNANCE (Cann. 129 - 144)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__PF.HTM

" … Can. 135 §1. The power of governance is distinguished as legislative, executive, and judicial. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK I. GENERAL NORMS LIBER I. DE NORMIS GENERALIBUS; TITLE VIII. THE POWER OF GOVERNANCE (Cann. 129 - 144)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__PF.HTM

" … Can. 391 §1. It is for the diocesan bishop to govern the particular church entrusted to him with legislative, executive, and judicial power according to the norm of law.

§2. The bishop exercises legislative power himself. He exercises executive power either personally or through vicars general or episcopal vicars according to the norm of law. He exercises judicial power either personally or through the judicial vicar and judges according to the norm of law. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK II. THE PEOPLE OF GOD LIBER II. DE POPULO DEI; PART II. THE HIERARCHICAL CONSTITUTION OF THE CHURCH; SECTION II. PARTICULAR CHURCHES AND THEIR GROUPINGS; TITLE I. PARTICULAR CHURCHES AND THE AUTHORITY ESTABLISHED IN THEM (Cann. 368 – 430); CHAPTER II. BISHOPS; Art. 2. DIOCESAN BISHOPS] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P1E.HTM

These Canons clearly define that those who receive "sacred orders" are "qualified" for the "power of governance", also called the "power of jurisdiction", which being in the "Church" [Roman Catholic Church] by "Divine Institution" and states that such "power" is "legislative" [makes the Laws], "executive" [executes/carries out those Laws and their sentences] and "judicial" [judging and judgment in the matters of those Laws].

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“Official Roman Catholic Canon Law” continued...

This gives unlimited reign to whomever is in the seat of the pope, for the dogma is declared that the whole world [whether spiritual, being first, or secular, being second or subservient to the spiritual] ought to obey that position in whatsoever is lawfully [the Roman Catholic Church's law] decreed, and that none may go against such that are decreed without incurring whatever penalties and "just penalties" exist or are promulgated for so doing.


Who then can be "punished with a just penalty"?

" … Can. 1371 The following are to be punished with a just penalty:

1/ in addition to the case mentioned in ⇒ can. 1364, §1, a person who teaches a doctrine condemned by the Roman Pontiff or an ecumenical council or who obstinately rejects the doctrine mentioned in ⇒ can. 750, §2 or in ⇒ can. 752 and who does not retract after having been admonished by the Apostolic See or an ordinary;

2/ a person who otherwise does not obey a legitimate precept or prohibition of the Apostolic See, an ordinary, or a superior and who persists in disobedience after a warning. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK VI. SANCTIONS IN THE CHURCH LIBER VI. DE SANCTIONIBUS IN ECCLESIA; PART II. PENALTIES FOR INDIVIDUAL DELICTS; TITLE II DELICTS AGAINST ECCLESIASTICAL AUTHORITIES AND THE FREEDOM OF THE CHURCH (Cann. 1370 - 1377)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P53.HTM#1Q

" … Can. 1373 A person who publicly incites among subjects animosities or hatred against the Apostolic See or an ordinary because of some act of power or ecclesiastical ministry or provokes subjects to disobey them is to be punished by an interdict or other just penalties. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK VI. SANCTIONS IN THE CHURCH LIBER VI. DE SANCTIONIBUS IN ECCLESIA; PART II. PENALTIES FOR INDIVIDUAL DELICTS; TITLE II DELICTS AGAINST ECCLESIASTICAL AUTHORITIES AND THE FREEDOM OF THE CHURCH (Cann. 1370 - 1377)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P53.HTM#1Q

" … Can. 1374 A person who joins an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty; however, a person who promotes or directs an association of this kind is to be punished with an interdict. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK VI. SANCTIONS IN THE CHURCH LIBER VI. DE SANCTIONIBUS IN ECCLESIA; PART II. PENALTIES FOR INDIVIDUAL DELICTS; TITLE II DELICTS AGAINST ECCLESIASTICAL AUTHORITIES AND THE FREEDOM OF THE CHURCH (Cann. 1370 - 1377)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P53.HTM#1Q

" … Can. 1393 A person who violates obligations imposed by a penalty can be punished with a just penalty. …" [BOOK VI. SANCTIONS IN THE CHURCH LIBER VI. DE SANCTIONIBUS IN ECCLESIA; PART II. PENALTIES FOR INDIVIDUAL DELICTS; TITLE V. DELICTS AGAINST SPECIAL OBLIGATIONS (Cann. 1392 - 1396)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P56.HTM

Thus this Canon [1393] can then be used to give increasingly and exponential "just penalties" for anyone who continuously "violates" the "obligations" from the previous "penalty" or "just penalty" [single or multiple] handed down from the "judicial" authority, and thus escalation unto the death penalty ensues.

This means that a person who is found to be of "obstinate ill will" [such as an unrepentant "heretic"] can ultimately be handed over to be [even after "censure", "excommunication", or etc] destroyed by the state at the express direction and command of the Church [Roman Catholic Church].

" … Can. 601 The evangelical counsel of obedience, undertaken in a spirit of faith and love in the following of Christ obedient unto death, requires the submission of the will to legitimate superiors, who stand in the place of God, when they command according to the proper constitutions. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK II. THE PEOPLE OF GOD LIBER II. DE POPULO DEI; PART III. INSTITUTES OF CONSECRATED LIFE AND SOCIETIES OF APOSTOLIC LIFE; SECTION I: INSTITUTES OF CONSECRATED LIFE; TITLE I: NORMS COMMON TO ALL INSTITUTES OF CONSECRATED LIFE (Cann. 573 - 606)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P1Y.HTM#1AX

The Roman Catholic Canon Law on Heresy [let us apply it to what we have already learned]:

Look for "faith and morals" [remember what has been said of this previously?], "sacred magisterium", "gravity", "doctrines ... contrary", "proposed definitively", "rejects", "opposed", "heresy is...", "just penalty", "scandals".

" … Can. 750 §1. A person must believe with divine and Catholic faith all those things contained in the word of God, written or handed on, that is, in the one deposit of faith entrusted to the Church, and at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn magisterium of the Church or by its ordinary and universal magisterium which is manifested by the common adherence of the Christian faithful under the leadership of the sacred magisterium; therefore all are bound to avoid any doctrines whatsoever contrary to them.

§2. Each and every thing which is proposed definitively by the magisterium of the Church concerning the doctrine of faith and morals, that is, each and every thing which is required to safeguard reverently and to expound faithfully the same deposit of faith, is also to be firmly embraced and retained; therefore, one who rejects those propositions which are to be held definitively is opposed to the doctrine of the Catholic Church. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK III. THE TEACHING FUNCTION OF THE CHURCH LIBER III. DE ECCLESIAE MUNERE DOCENDI] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P2H.HTM#9Q [see also: "Ad Tuendam Fidem", for further clarification on Can. 750.; "… The new text of Canon 750 reads in pertinent part: “Each and every thing definitively proposed by the magisterium of the Church regarding faith and morals … must also be firmly accepted and held; one who denies [such] propositions…opposes the doctrine of the Catholic Church.” Gone now, of course, is any argument that only matters recognized as “divinely revealed” can be the subject of the Church’s coercive power. At the same time Canon 750 was modified, Canon 1371 was amended to state that anyone who violates Canon 750, as amended obviously, can now be punished by a “just penalty”. Once more, the concerns of Canon 18 that ecclesiastical penal law not be read more expansively than the text of the law will reasonably admit have been satisfied, for Canon 1371 now makes express use of Canon 750. …" - http://www.canonlaw.info/a_adtuendam.htm or "… in the end, penalties (especially flexible sanctions such as Canon 1369's "just penalty") were placed in the Code by the Legislator to help bishops defend important ecclesiastical values …" - http://www.canonlaw.info/blogarch09.htmor "… In using the phrase “a just penalty”, the Legislator made available the entire range of ecclesiastical sanctions, whether censures (namely, excommunication, interdict, or [clerical] suspension) or expiatory penalties, including deprivation of office (1983 CIC 1336) ..." - http://www.canonlaw.info/a_adtuendam.htm

" … Can. 751 Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK III. THE TEACHING FUNCTION OF THE CHURCH LIBER III. DE ECCLESIAE MUNERE DOCENDI] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P2H.HTM#9Q

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" … Can. 1364 §1. Without prejudice to the prescript of ⇒ can. 194, §1, n. 2, an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication; in addition, a cleric can be punished with the penalties mentioned in ⇒ can. 1336, §1, nn. 1, 2, and 3. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK VI. SANCTIONS IN THE CHURCH LIBER VI. DE SANCTIONIBUS IN ECCLESIA; PART II. PENALTIES FOR INDIVIDUAL DELICTS; TITLE I. DELICTS AGAINST RELIGION AND THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH (Cann. 1364 - 1369)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P52.HTM#10

"Latae Sententiae" means instantly and automatically incurred and placed into effect. So a "heretic" [as defined by the RCC] is automatically "excommunicated" and is instantaneously subject from that point forward to whatever penalty or "just penalty" is incurred or placed into effect by violation of the law.


" … Can. 1369 A person who in a public show or speech, in published writing, or in other uses of the instruments of social communication utters blasphemy, gravely injures good morals, expresses insults, or excites hatred or contempt against religion or the Church is to be punished with a just penalty. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK VI. SANCTIONS IN THE CHURCH LIBER VI. DE SANCTIONIBUS IN ECCLESIA; PART II. PENALTIES FOR INDIVIDUAL DELICTS; TITLE I. DELICTS AGAINST RELIGION AND THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH (Cann. 1364 - 1369)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P52.HTM#10

What are these "other uses of the instruments of social communication" that if/should a person uses while having or promoting "contempt against … the Church is to be punished with a just penalty" ["Church", being only the Roman Catholic Church]?

It can be broadly defined as anything that it is needed to be included in the definition. Such as: the Internet [general], texting, email, phone calls, voice-over-network, chat-rooms, blogs, webpages, posters, newspapers, magazines, mail, personal letter, billboard, advertisement [in whatever form, message on a sky plane, on a blimp, etc.], television [commercial, news, programs, etc.], radio [including any song, music, music sheet, poem, etc.], hands/fingers [sign language], satellite, lasers [light emissions/waves], drum, smoke signal, diggeri-doo, two tin cans and a string, red-light-green-light [well maybe not that one, unless Canon... oh nevermind... Ok, after this much Canon Law, a little levity, but now back to serious face.], etc. It includes anything and everything it is ever needed to be [even including your brain, for it is an "instrument of social communication", therefore even your very 'thoughts' toward the "Church" are provided for in this particular Canon – thought police indeed].


" … TITLE VII.
GENERAL NORM (Can. 1399)


Can. 1399 In addition to the cases established here or in other laws, the external violation of a divine or canonical law can be punished by a just penalty only when the special gravity of the violation demands punishment and there is an urgent need to prevent or repair scandals. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK VI. SANCTIONS IN THE CHURCH LIBER VI. DE SANCTIONIBUS IN ECCLESIA; PART II. PENALTIES FOR INDIVIDUAL DELICTS; TITLE VII. GENERAL NORM (Can. 1399)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P58.HTM

" … Can. 1326 §1. A judge can punish the following more gravely than the law or precept has established:

1/ a person who after a condemnation or after the declaration of a penalty continues so to offend that from the circumstances the obstinate ill will of the person can prudently be inferred;


2/ a person who has been established in some dignity or who has abused a position of authority or office in order to commit the delict;


3/ an accused person who, when a penalty has been established against a delict based on negligence, foresaw the event and nonetheless omitted precautions to avoid it, which any diligent person would have employed.


§2. If the penalty established in the cases mentioned in §1 is latae sententiae, another penalty or a penance can be added. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK VI. SANCTIONS IN THE CHURCH LIBER VI. DE SANCTIONIBUS IN ECCLESIA; PART I. DELICTS AND PENALTIES IN GENERAL; TITLE III. THE SUBJECT LIABLE TO PENAL SANCTIONS (Cann. 1321 - 1330)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P4W.HTM#3I

Therefore this Canon [1326] allows for far graver and more severe penalties "than the law or precept has established" on those [heretics of "obstinate ill will" [immediately "latae sententiae"; instantly in effect], etc] who repeatedly refuse the Roman Catholic Churches "authority", doctrines, teachings, decisions, rites and judgments, etc.

Escalation and continued refusal to obey the papal see leads to punishment and ultimately the death penalty [handed over to the state for execution of sentence by the judgment of Rome and to be carried out under its express direction, for the "state" is to be subject to "her"], as it has in the past.


" … Can. 747 … §2. It belongs to the Church always and everywhere to announce moral principles, even about the social order, and to render judgment concerning any human affairs insofar as the fundamental rights of the human person or the salvation of souls requires it. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK III. THE TEACHING FUNCTION OF THE CHURCH LIBER III. DE ECCLESIAE MUNERE DOCENDI] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P2H.HTM#9Q

Notice that last part again, "...or salvation of the soul requires it." [Roman Catholic Theology misunderstands the Biblical teaching of the "soul"; see Genesis 2:7 and numerous other texts to begin with a correct Biblical understanding, for mankind does not 'have' a 'soul'; mankind, made of dust of the ground and breath of God, is "a living soul".]

" … Can. 1654 §1. Unless the text of the sentence leaves it to the judgment of the executor, the executor must execute the sentence according to the obvious sense of the words. ..." [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK VII PROCESSES; PART II. THE CONTENTIOUS TRIAL; SECTION I. THE ORDINARY CONTENTIOUS TRIAL; TITLE XI. THE EXECUTION OF THE SENTENCE (Cann. 1650 – 1655)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P6H.HTM

" … 9. As an external, visible and independent society, the Church cannot renounce penal law. However, penalties are generally to be ferendae sententiae and are to be inflicted and remitted only in the external forum. Latae sententiae penalties are to be reduced to a few cases and are to be inflicted only for the most serious offenses. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; Latin INTRODUCTION to Canon Law] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P1.HTM#3OW

Remember, "heresy" is such a "serious" offence, for it is far graver a matter in the area of "faith and morals" according to Thomas Aquinas [Summa Theologica], etc.

" … Can. 1401 By proper and exclusive right the Church adjudicates:

1/ cases which regard spiritual matters or those connected to spiritual matters;


2/ the violation of ecclesiastical laws and all those matters in which there is a question of sin, in what pertains to the determination of culpability and the imposition of ecclesiastical penalties. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK VII PROCESSES; Part I. TRIALS IN GENERAL (Cann. 1400 - 1403)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P59.HTM

This Canon [1401] can therefore be used to set up a tribunal and judge anything of "faith and morals" [as defined by the Roman Catholic Church [pontificate or council]] and anything "she" deems a "spiritual" matter and those things which are "connected" to such.

This would especially include those "matters in which there is a question of sin" ["sin" being defined under the very "faith and morals" of the Roman Catholic Church].

Therefore, this Canon [1401], combined with others, reveals that if the Roman Catholic Church says that it is "sin" to eat meat on Lenten Fridays, then "she" is the judge in and over the matter and can punish at will.


" … Can. 1311 The Church has the innate and proper right to coerce offending members of the Christian faithful with penal sanctions. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK VI. SANCTIONS IN THE CHURCH LIBER VI. DE SANCTIONIBUS IN ECCLESIA; PART I. DELICTS AND PENALTIES IN GENERAL; TITLE II. PENAL LAW AND PENAL PRECEPT (Cann. 1313 - 1320)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P4V.HTM

" … Can. 1312 §1. The following are penal sanctions in the Church:

1/ medicinal penalties, or censures, which are listed in ⇒ cann. 1331-1333;


2/ expiatory penalties mentioned in ⇒ can. 1336.


§2. The law can establish other expiatory penalties which deprive a member of the Christian faithful of some spiritual or temporal good and which are consistent with the supernatural purpose of the Church.


§3. Penal remedies and penances are also used; the former especially to prevent delicts, the latter to substitute for or to increase a penalty. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK VI. SANCTIONS IN THE CHURCH LIBER VI. DE SANCTIONIBUS IN ECCLESIA; PART I. DELICTS AND PENALTIES IN GENERAL; TITLE I THE PUNISHMENT OF DELICTS IN GENERAL (Cann. 1311 - 1312)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P4U.HTM#N

“Official Roman Catholic Canon Law” to be continued...

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“Official Roman Catholic Canon Law” continued...

" … Can. 1314 Generally, a penalty is ferendae sententiae, so that it does not bind the guilty party until after it has been imposed; if the law or precept expressly establishes it, however, a penalty is latae sententiae, so that it is incurred ipso facto when the delict is committed. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK VI. SANCTIONS IN THE CHURCH LIBER VI. DE SANCTIONIBUS IN ECCLESIA; PART I. DELICTS AND PENALTIES IN GENERAL; TITLE II. PENAL LAW AND PENAL PRECEPT (Cann. 1313 - 1320)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P4V.HTM

Who then is the Highest authority on earth according to Roman Catholic Church doctrine, deciding and judging not only "faith and morals", but also determines all things by "law" and "divine institution"?

" … Can. 1404 The First See is judged by no one. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK VII PROCESSES; Part I. TRIALS IN GENERAL (Cann. 1400 – 1403); TITLE I. THE COMPETENT FORUM (Cann. 1404 - 1416)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P5A.HTM

" … Can. 1406 §1. If the prescript of ⇒ can. 1404 is violated, the acts and decisions are considered as not to have been placed.

§2. In the cases mentioned in ⇒ can. 1405, the incompetence of other judges is absolute. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK VII PROCESSES; Part I. TRIALS IN GENERAL (Cann. 1400 – 1403); TITLE I. THE COMPETENT FORUM (Cann. 1404 - 1416)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P5A.HTM

" … Can. 1405 §1. It is solely the right of the Roman Pontiff himself to judge in the cases mentioned in ⇒ can. 1401:

1/ those who hold the highest civil office of a state;


2/ cardinals;


3/ legates of the Apostolic See and, in penal cases, bishops;


4/ other cases which he has called to his own judgment.


§2. A judge cannot review an act or instrument confirmed specifically (in forma specifica) by the Roman Pontiff without his prior mandate.


§3. Judgment of the following is reserved to the Roman Rota:


1/ bishops in contentious matters, without prejudice to the prescript of ⇒ can. 1419, §2;


2/ an abbot primate or abbot superior of a monastic congregation and a supreme moderator of religious institutes of pontifical right;


3/ dioceses or other physical or juridic ecclesiastical persons which do not have a superior below the Roman Pontiff. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK VII PROCESSES; Part I. TRIALS IN GENERAL (Cann. 1400 – 1403); TITLE I. THE COMPETENT FORUM (Cann. 1404 - 1416)] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P5A.HTM

" … Can. 749 §1. By virtue of his office, the Supreme Pontiff possesses infallibility in teaching when as the supreme pastor and teacher of all the Christian faithful, who strengthens his brothers and sisters in the faith, he proclaims by definitive act that a doctrine of faith or morals is to be held.

§2. The college of bishops also possesses infallibility in teaching when the bishops gathered together in an ecumenical council exercise the magisterium as teachers and judges of faith and morals who declare for the universal Church that a doctrine of faith or morals is to be held definitively; or when dispersed throughout the world but preserving the bond of communion among themselves and with the successor of Peter and teaching authentically together with the Roman Pontiff matters of faith or morals, they agree that a particular proposition is to be held definitively.


§3. No doctrine is understood as defined infallibly unless this is manifestly evident. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK III. THE TEACHING FUNCTION OF THE CHURCH LIBER III. DE ECCLESIAE MUNERE DOCENDI] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2H.HTM

" … Can. 752 Although not an assent of faith, a religious submission of the intellect and will must be given to a doctrine which the Supreme Pontiff or the college of bishops declares concerning faith or morals when they exercise the authentic magisterium, even if they do not intend to proclaim it by definitive act; therefore, the Christian faithful are to take care to avoid those things which do not agree with it. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK III. THE TEACHING FUNCTION OF THE CHURCH LIBER III. DE ECCLESIAE MUNERE DOCENDI] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2H.HTM

" … Can. 754 All the Christian faithful are obliged to observe the constitutions and decrees which the legitimate authority of the Church issues in order to propose doctrine and to proscribe erroneous opinions, particularly those which the Roman Pontiff or the college of bishops puts forth. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law; BOOK III. THE TEACHING FUNCTION OF THE CHURCH LIBER III. DE ECCLESIAE MUNERE DOCENDI] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2H.HTM

“Official Roman Catholic Canon Law” ended.

Roman Catholic Encyclopedia on Roman Catholic Canon Law on Capital Punishment [read carefully, notice what is said, and indirectly said]:

" … Canon law has always forbidden clerics to shed human blood and therefore capital punishment has always been the work of the officials of the State and not of the Church. Even in the case of heresy, of which so much is made by non-Catholic controversialists, the functions of ecclesiastics were restricted invariably to ascertaining the fact of heresy. The punishment, whether capital or other, was both prescribed and inflicted by civil government. The infliction of capital punishment is not contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church, and the power of the State to visit upon culprits the penalty of death derives much authority from revelation and from the writings of theologians. The advisability of exercising that power is, of course, an affair to be determined upon other and various considerations. …" [Roman Catholic Encyclopedia Online: Capital Punishment] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12565a.htm

The above is a very disguised defense of "her" own actions. For we know by "her" own words that it is "she" that wields both swords, the "spiritual" and the "temporal". It is "she" that directs its cutting edge. We also know that many of those officials of the State were sworn Roman Catholics and subject to the popes. However, even if the State officials were not, we can still see even a type of that in the days of Christ Jesus. The religious leaders pushed the State into execution.

The Roman Catholic Encyclopedia states very plainly that Roman Catholic Canon Law forbids "clerics" to directly "shed human blood".

A "Cleric" is specifically defined in Canon 207 §1. and Canon 232 → 293. This definition then allows all other manner of mankind elsewhere [lay persons, or Knights and even specific Military Orders, etc. whose fealty is directly to the Pope; ie, Jesuits, Malta, Opus Dei], which are not "clerics", to shed it, even by direction or prompting of the "cleric".

This also leaves quite a bit of wiggle room, for the "cleric" [unable by Canon Law to directly to "shed human blood"] may be directly present and most intimate in the situation while the "heretic" is being punished so that all
"information", "confession", "recantation", etc. may be had. The word or nod of the "cleric" would cease or begin again the punishment during "interrogation".

They can therefore directly avoid having to "shed human blood" themselves, though they would still incur "irregularity" under Canon Law. However, this may be cleared up by being absolved by another "cleric", which may absolve each other, as needed.

It also means that besides the State, even the "clerics" may [not that they had to] perform all manner of other means of "persuasion" which does not "shed human blood".

Such examples can be found so named in the various vindictive means applied in the "Spanish Inquisition" [ie., garrucha/strappado, toca/interrogatorio mejorado del agua ['waterboarding'], and potro/rack] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Torture and other Inquisitions [ie., 'burning the feet', 'hot irons', 'internal damage through blunt forces', 'blinding', 'breaking of bones' [in certain cases], 'confiscation of all wealth/property', 'destruction of property' and 'animal life' or causing harm/distress of a another church member or family member, and other means most cruel and malevolent].


"She" claims to be able to do all these things zealously in "just war" against any and all dangerous and wily foes that have raised and fomented rebellion against "her". For "she" claims [as was seen in the first latin text quoted from Gratian's Decretals] that to destroy such excommunicated heretics is to not "murder" them, but is instead, as "she" claims, just destruction of rabid "beasts", being guilty, and those persons no longer regarded by "her" as being "innocent" human beings and no longer being worthy of the "right to life" in "her" eyes.

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Roman Catholic Catechism [Just War]

[CCC] " … 2309 The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:
- the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;

- all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;

- there must be serious prospects of success;

- the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.

These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the "just war" doctrine.

The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good. ..." [Roman Catholic Online Catechism; PART THREE: LIFE IN CHRIST; SECTION TWO THE TEN COMMANDMENTS; CHAPTER TWO YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF; Article 5 THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT; III. Safeguarding Peace] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P81.HTM

Remember, that according to this theological system, "heresy" is a far graver matter than other things, for it deals directly in the matter of "faith and morals" [salvation and sin] and that it is the position of the Pope, having "prudential judgment" and "moral legitimacy", who is also deemed as having the "responsibility for the common good" of the whole world, and can therefore define who can stay and who needs to go.

Therefore "persistent" and "obstinate" "heretics" spreading "heresy" are classed as a danger that is "lasting, grave and certain" affecting "unity", "human solidarity", "peace" and "common good".


So when other methods and "all other means" have been tried to "redeem" the "heretics", and yet fail to do so, they are considered as hopeless, and their penalty of death is just, no longer having the "right to life", being guilty and no longer "innocent" and considered condemned as having brought it upon themselves.


Roman Catholic Catechism [Just War]

[CCC] " … 2298 In times past, cruel practices were commonly used by legitimate governments to maintain law and order, often without protest from the Pastors of the Church, who themselves adopted in their own tribunals the prescriptions of Roman law concerning torture. Regrettable as these facts are, the Church always taught the duty of clemency and mercy. She forbade clerics to shed blood. In recent times it has become evident that these cruel practices were neither necessary for public order, nor in conformity with the legitimate rights of the human person. On the contrary, these practices led to ones even more degrading. It is necessary to work for their abolition. We must pray for the victims and their tormentors. ..." [Roman Catholic Online Catechism; PART THREE: LIFE IN CHRIST; SECTION TWO THE TEN COMMANDMENTS; CHAPTER TWO YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF; Article 5 THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT; III. Safeguarding Peace] - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P81.HTM

We see clearly that there are indeed "facts" of this matter. There are a lot more "facts" than anyone [but God] could ever hope to gather in evidence.

Let it now be asked rhetorically, "What power on earth boldly declares that it determines what a "legitimate government" is?"

It was also stated that, "… She forbade clerics to shed blood. …", but this was seen for what it is, in that "she" hides behind words and definitions of "her" own making.

Indeed, those very "clerics" were most intimate in the oversight and direction of who, how, why, when, where and in what manner to "shed blood" [the very mind behind the actions themselves, directing the "temporal", being "subservient" to the "spiritual"] and of various means of torture which did not involve methods to "shed blood".

It was stated that, "… the Church always taught the duty of clemency and mercy. …", yet it was shown that both "clemency" and "mercy" were only for those who "repented"/"recanted" thoroughly, and not for those [such as obstinate "heretics"] who remained in "obstinate ill will" toward "her", no longer being "innocent", no longer having the "right to life" [for some will immediately object to the entirety of this premise and begin to quote from Vatican II documents, or such as Nostra Aetate, Dignitas Humanae, Humanae Vitae or Evangelium Vitae, etc, but all one has to do in them, is again look for the key words, what sources they are quoting from, and in them determine who actually has the "right to life", it is the "innocent" and those who follow "her" doctrines in "faith and morals", and for a while "she" will tolerate dissention, but after warnings, "she" says that "she" "has recourse to force"].

"She" says in regards to the "practices" of "torture" that, "… It is necessary to work for their abolition. …", and "she" has been seen as meaning this in such a way as most will not begin to understand until they begin to think in "her" mindset, terms and rules/laws of engagement, for "she" actually means that they are to be abolished only when the world is converted to "her" way of thinking and teaching. So, of course "she" looks forward to such a day, but such an ecumenical, or even realized unity with "her" is nothing to rejoice over.

"She" then says very piously that, "… We must pray for the victims and their tormentors. …", and not only does this actually promote one false doctrine not found in scripture [the open ended idea of being able to pray [asking for intercessison] towards/to deceased saints or for the past dead/deceased], it promotes even others still, such as the erroneous, false and dangerous theology of "purgatory" [to hopefully be addressed under Letter "Y"].

Roman Catholic Canon Law is itself "adopted" and derived itself from Emperor Justinian's Roman Law Code, and we see this in the Roman Catholic Church's "Tribunals".

"… So the immortal "Corpus Juris Civilis" was produced, consisting of four parts: (a) Digestae seu Pondecta, (b) Institutiones, (c) Codex, (d) Authenticum seu Novellae (an excellent account of its composition is found in Bury's Gibbon, ed. Cit., IV 461-510). It would be difficult to exaggerate the importance of this "Corpus". It is the basis of all canon law (ecclesia vivit lege romana), and the basis of civil law in every civilized country. …" [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; Justinian I] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08578b.htm


So, what is Rome's stance on separation of Church and State powers?


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Pope Pius IX, the Syllabus of Errors [meaning it is in direct "error" to teach the following]:

"... 20. The ecclesiastical power ought not to exercise its authority without the permission and assent of the civil government. -- Allocution "Meminit unusquisque," Sept. 30, 1861. ..."

"... 24. The Church has not the power of using force, nor has she any temporal power, direct or indirect. -- Apostolic Letter "Ad Apostolicae," Aug. 22, 1851. ..."

"... 27. The sacred ministers of the Church and the Roman pontiff are to be absolutely excluded from every charge and dominion over temporal affairs. -- Allocution "Maxima quidem," June 9, 1862. ..."

"... 54. Kings and princes are not only exempt from the jurisdiction of the Church, but are superior to the Church in deciding questions of jurisdiction. -- Damnatio "Multiplices inter," June 10, 1851. …"

"... 55. The Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church. -- Allocution "Acerbissimum," Sept. 27, 1852. …"

"... 75. The children of the Christian and Catholic Church are divided amongst themselves about the compatibility of the temporal with the spiritual power. -- "Ad Apostolicae," Aug. 22, 1851. …"

"... 76. The abolition of the temporal power of which the Apostolic See is possessed would contribute in the greatest degree to the liberty and prosperity of the Church. -- Allocutions "Quibus quantisque," April 20, 1849, "Si semper antea," May 20, 1850. ..."

"... 77. In the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship. -- Allocution "Nemo vestrum," July 26, 1855. ..."

"... 78. Hence it has been wisely decided by law, in some Catholic countries, that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise of their own peculiar worship. -- Allocution "Acerbissimum," Sept. 27, 1852. ..." [THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS CONDEMNED BY PIUS IX] - http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9syll.htm

"Apostolicae Sedis Moderationi …

… A Bull of Pius IX (1846-78) which regulates anew the system of censures and reservations in the Catholic church. It was issued 12 October, 1869, and is practically the present penal code of the Catholic Church. …

...Pius IX, therefore, simplified them again for the three hundred years of accumulation, by the Bull "Apostolicae Sedis Moderationi". …

… According to those introductory passages, the Bull "Apostolicae Sedis" left all canonical penalties and impediments (deposition, degradation, deprivation of benefice, irregularity, etc.) as they were before, except those with which it expressly deals. And it deals expressly with those penalties only, the direct purpose of which is the reformation rather than the punishment of the person on whom they are inflicted, namely, censures (excommunication, suspension, and interdict). Moreover, it deals only with a certain class of censures. For clearness it is well to observe that a censure may be so attached to the violation of a law that the law-breaker incurs the censure in the very act of breaking the law, and a censure, as decreed binds at once the conscience of the law-breaker without the process of a trial, or the formality of a judicial sentence. In other words, the law has already pronounced sentence the moment the person who breaks the law has completed the facto of consciously breaking it; for which reason, censures thus decreed are said to be decreed per modum latae sententiae ipsoque facto incurrendae, i.e. censures of sentence pronounced and incurred by the act of breaking the law. But, on the other hand, a censure may be so attached to the breaking of a law that the law-breaker does not incur the censure until, after a legal process, it is formally imposed by a judicial sentence, for which reason censures thus decreed are called ferendae sententiae, i.e. censures of sentence to be pronounced. Censures of this latter kind were left out by this Bull, and remain just as they were before, together with those penalties above referred to, the direct purpose of which is punishment. The Bull "Apostolicae Sedis Moderationi" deals, therefore, exclusively with censures latae sententiae. Now, how has it altered or abrogated them? It abrogated all except those expressly inserted in it. Those which are inserted in it, whether old ones revived or retained, or new ones enacted, bind throughout the Catholic Church, all customs of any kind to the contrary notwithstanding, because this Bull became the source of the binding power of all and each of them, even of such as might have gone into disuse anywhere or everywhere. The censures retained are inserted in the Bull in two ways: First it makes of list of a certain number of them; Second, it inserts in a general way all those which the Council of Trent either newly enacted, or adopted from older canons as to make them its own; not those, therefore, which the Council of Trent merely confirmed, or simply adopted from older canons. …

… Finally, the Bull "Apostolicae Sedis" gives a list of twelve censures which are reserved in a special manner (speciali modo) to the Pope; so that to absolve from any of these, even a bishop requires a special delegation, in which these are specifically named. These twelve censures, except the one numbered X, were taken from the Bull "In Coena Domini" (so called because from 1364 to 1770 it was annually published at Rome, and since 1567 elsewhere on Holy Thursday ceased to be, except as an historical document. Of these eleven canonical offences, five refer to attacks on the foundation of the Church; that is, on its faith and constitution. Three refer to attacks on the power of the Church and on the free exercise of that power. The other three refer to attacks on the spiritual or temporal treasures of the Church. A few censures have been enacted since the Bull "Apostolicae Sedis" was published. These are usually mentioned and interpreted in the published commentaries on that Bull. The commentary by Avanzini and Pennacchi (Rome, 1883), the learned editors of the "Acta Sanctae Sedis", is the most complete. That issued (Prato, 1894) by the late Cardinal D'Annibale, however, if of all others to be recommended for conciseness and accuracy combined." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; Apostolicae Sedis Moderationi] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01645a.htm

The writings of the Roman Catholic Church are endlessly filled with these types of "defenses", "reasons" and "explanations" for what "she" claims to be able to righteously do [eliminate heretics] in "defense" of "faith and morals", in "defense" of "common good", in defense of the "innocent".

Look for yourself, study the history so that it will not be forgotten, for it remains "her" doctrine.

Many more official quotes and sources could be given as it is almost endless, and there are many books on the subject, and many commentaries on the Canon [ie, Fr Alexius M Lepicier; P. Marianus de Luca and many, many others] and Popes and Historians that have thoroughly written on the subject. Look for them, read them, read both sides.

"She" has indeed persecuted and worn out the Saints of the Most High God. "She" admits doing so "herself".

Let us also see if the Office of the Inquisition is still around...

"... Founded in 1542 by Pope Paul III with the Constitution "Licet ab initio," the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was originally called the Sacred Congregation of the Universal Inquisition as its duty was to defend the Church from heresy. It is the oldest of the Curia's nine congregations."

"Pope St. Pius X in 1908 changed the name to the Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office. It received its current name in 1965 with Pope Paul VI. Today, according to Article 48 of the Apostolic Constitution on the Roman Curia, "Pastor Bonus", promulgated by the Holy Father John Paul II on June 28, 1988, «the duty proper to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is to promote and safeguard the doctrine on the faith and morals throughout the Catholic world: for this reason everything which in any way touches such matter falls within its competence.» ..."
[Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.va] - http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_pro_14071997_en.html

"...faith and morals..." and "...everything which in any way touches such matter falls within its [Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith's] competence..."

What have we learned on "faith and morals"?

Cardinal Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger himself was the Head of this office of the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith", when later He eventually became pope Benedict XVI.

"In 1981, he settled in Rome when he became Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, one of the most important offices of the Roman Curia. At the time of his election as Pope, he was also Dean of the College of Cardinals, and as such the primus inter pares among the cardinals." [Benedict XVI; Wikipedia] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI

He may not be as charismatic as pope John Paul II [Karol Józef Wojtyła], but he is more of a theologian than his predecessor.


Having thus seen the "persecution" of the saints, and somewhat of the inner workings of the documents of Rome that still currently allow for it to yet happen again, these things will be drawn upon yet further in discussing the Two Beasts of Revelation 13, the "Antichrist" and "False Prophet" powers.

The words of a messenger of the Lord:

“... And let it be remembered, it is the boast of Rome that she never changes. The principles of Gregory VII and Innocent III are still the principles of the Roman Catholic Church. And had she but the power, she would put them in practice with as much vigor now as in past centuries. Protestants little know what they are doing when they propose to accept the aid of Rome ..."
[The Great Controversy (1911); Ellen G. White; Chapter 35 – Liberty Of Conscience Threatened; Pg 581] - http://www.connectingwithjesus.org/media/GC.pdf

Did the messenger of the Lord accurately reveal the facts?

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(Y) And "all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication" [fermented Wine, a symbol for corruption of Biblical principles] [Revelation 17:2,4], and "she" would be "fallen, fallen", having refused to repent of "her" sins and fornication [Revelation 2:21] and "she" has "become the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of unclean and hateful bird" [devils][Revelation 18:2]

This system by its "intoxicating" "wine" teaches many unbiblical doctrines of "confusion" and "fornication" of pagan ritual and rites.

This point (Y) has many subjects to consider, and all of them cannot be presented for it would be too much, but should any want additional evidence, it can be given if needed.

The "Transubstantiation" of the "Eucharist":

" ... when the priest consecrates bread and wine, so that they become Christ's body and Christ's blood. ...

... But in these two instances, the bread and wine of the Eucharist, the mind is not left to itself. By the revelation of Christ it knows that the substance has been changed, in the one case into the substance of his body, in the other into the substance of his blood. ...

... The accidents remain in their totality-for example, that which was wine and is now Christ's blood still has the smell of wine, the intoxicating power of wine. ...

... All we shall say here is that his body is wholly present ... "
[EWTN online; Frank J. Sheed; Taken from Theology for Beginners (c) 1981 by Frank J. Sheed, Chapter 18.] - http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/eucha4.htm



["intoxicating": "Definition of INTOXICATE transitive verb 1 : poison 2 a : to excite or stupefy by alcohol or a drug especially to the point where physical and mental control is markedly diminished b : to excite or elate to the point of enthusiasm or frenzy"] [Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary; "Intoxicating"] - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intoxicating


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We mean the fact that the Eucharist is a very great mystery—in fact, properly speaking and in the words of the Sacred Liturgy, the mystery of faith. "It contains within it," as Leo XIII, Our predecessor of happy memory, very wisely remarked, "all supernatural realities in a remarkable richness and variety of miracles." (4) ...

...
the Most Blessed Eucharist—fully expressed and exhausted the manner of Christ's presence in this Sacrament; or to discuss the mystery of transubstantiation without mentioning what the Council of Trent had to say about the marvelous conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the Body and the whole substance of the wine into the Blood of Christ...

...
27. It is a good idea to recall at the very outset what may be termed the heart and core of the doctrine, namely that, by means of the Mystery of the Eucharist, the Sacrifice of the Cross which was once carried out on Calvary is re-enacted ...


...
"After the spiritual sacrifice, the un-bloody act of worship, has been completed, we bend over this propitiatory offering and beg God to grant peace to all the Churches ... and last of all for our deceased holy forefathers and bishops and for all those who have lived among us. For we have a deep conviction that great help will be afforded those souls for whom prayers are offered while this holy and awesome victim is present."
" [Vatican.Va Online; Pope Paul VI Encyclical; Mysterium Fidei] - http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/p...uments/hf_p-vi_enc_03091965_mysterium_en.html or [PapalEncyclicals.net Online; Pope Paul VI; Mysterium Fidei] - http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Paul06/p6myster.htm


"...bread and wine are truly his body and blood. ...

... Spiritus Paraclitus Benedict XV, September 15, 1920

As Jerome insisted, all biblical interpretation rests upon the literal sense ...

...Divino Afflante Spiritus, Pius XII, September 30, 1943 ...

... discern and define that sense of the biblical words which is called literal ... so that the mind of the author may be made clear. ...

... the exegete must be principally concerned with the literal sense of the Scriptures. Hence Catholic Christian belief in the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist rests upon the literal meaning of the words of the Last Supper as recorded by the Evangelists and Paul. ...

... And God can turn bread into flesh and wine into blood without the appearances of bread and wine changing. ...

... The Council of Rome (a local council), 1079, taught against Berengar that the Eucharist is truly the body and blood of Christ. ...

... Roman Catholics believe that the bread and wine become the real Body and Blood of Jesus Christ and remain such until the elements are entirely consumed. ...

... Transubstantiation reflects Roman Catholic faith in the literalness of the words of the Bible. ...

... the bread is his body; the wine is his blood. ...

... faith is essential. Faith in what? ...

... though the bread does not look, feel, taste like flesh; even though the wine does not look, feel, taste like blood. ...

... Transubstantiation means the substance part of the bread and wine elements changes; but the accidental parts--sight, taste, smell, touch--do not. ..."
[CatholicApologetics.org Online; Eucharist, Lord's Supper] - http://www.catholicapologetics.org/ap060500.htm


" ..."As a result of transubstantiation, the species of bread and wine undoubtedly take on a new signification and a new finality, for they are no longer ordinary bread and wine but instead a sign of something sacred and a sign of spiritual food; but they take on this new signification, this new finality, precisely because they contain a new 'reality'...For what now lies beneath the aforementioned species [that is, what is now the new substance of the elements] is not what was there before, but something completely different...the body and blood of Christ" (Mysterium Fidei 46 [1965]) ...

... as one says that the whole substance of the unconsecrated elements is changed into the whole substance of Christ--body, blood, soul, divinity--with only the appearances of bread and wine remaining ... "
[Roman Catholic Online Library; "This Rock Magazine"; Quick Questions; 1993] - http://www.newadvent.org/library/almanac_thisrock93.htm


"... for the whole substance of the bread is changed into the whole substance of Christ's body, and the whole substance of the wine into the whole substance of Christ's blood. Hence this is not a formal, but a substantial conversion; nor is it a kind of natural movement: but, with a name of its own, it can be called "transubstantiation." ... " [Roman Catholic Online Summa Theologica; Thomas Aquinas; Question 75] - http://www.newadvent.org/summa/4075.htm


"... Transubstantiation, however, is not a conversion simply so called, but a substantial conversion (conversio substantialis), inasmuch as one thing is substantially or essentially converted into another. ...

... Transubstantiation differs from every other substantial conversion in this, that only the substance is converted into another — the accidents remaining the same — just as would be the case if wood were miraculously converted into iron, the substance of the iron remaining hidden under the external appearance of the wood. ..."
[Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; Real Presence; Subsection Transubstantiation] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05573a.htm


"...Ambrose says (De Sacram. iv): "Although the figure of the bread and wine be seen, still, after the Consecration, they are to be believed to be nothing else than the body and blood of Christ."..."

"...for the whole substance of the bread is changed into the whole substance of Christ's body, and the whole substance of the wine into the whole substance of Christ's blood. ..." [Roman Catholic Online Summa Theologica; Thomas Aquinas; Question 75] - http://www.newadvent.org/summa/4075.htm



Do any believe by faith the above to be true? Do any believe that Christ Jesus is the Passover?

For anyone whom may read and answer yes to both the first and second question, please consider these following words and texts:

Even if for mere outward appearance it is said that it is "Bread" and "Wine", it is the actual Belief by faith in the heart which still condemns, for it is believed to be
"nothing else than the body and blood of Christ" and "whole substance...into whole substance". Outwardly, in "accidents" it may not "cannibalism", but inwardly by faith it is, and therefore sin.


According to scripture, Blood was never to be eaten and consumed, especially the blood of the passover sacrifice.

The "Blood":

All throughout the scriptures it is written over and over again, "...you shall not eat the blood..." and "Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water." even as far back as Genesis: "But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat." (Genesis 9:4). [Yet, at this point many will deny "cannibalism", yet again, by Faith in Roman Catholic theology upon this point, it is to be fully believed by "faith" [Roman Catholic faith] to be the actual "blood" and "body". There are those even eating "miraculous bloody hosts". One may also search for the "bleeding hosts" of Roman Catholicism, etc.]

The "wine":

The "wine" of the cup was to always be unleavened, unfermented [as in non-alcoholic], as it represented Jesus' Purity [which would be the juice of the harvest, the "new" juice of the grape, "fruit of the vine", "pressed" of the "cluster" in which is the "blessing"], for no Christian was to ever drink alcoholic content [scriptures to be discussed in total if needed]
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Continuing with this "consuming" by "faith" [Roman Catholic theology] of the "actual" and "whole substance" of the "body" and "blood", consider that in certain "miraculous" [1 Timothy 4:1; Revelation 16:14] instances, even the "accidents" change into actual tissue and blood and have been consumed:

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[Lanciano, Italy 8th Century A.D.]
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http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/images/euchmn2m.jpg

[The Bleeding Host Miracle 1998]
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and numerous other instances:

" ...Blanot, France -- March 31, 1331
The Eucharist falls out of a woman's mouth onto an altar rail cloth. The priest tries to recover the Host but all that remains is a large spot of blood the same size and dimensions as the wafer. ...

... Bolsena-Orvieta, Italy
Again, a priest has difficulties believing in the Real Presence, and blood begins seeping out of the Host upon consecration. Because of this miracle, Pope Urban IV commissioned the feast of Corpus Christi, which is still celebrated today. ...

... Lanciano, Italy -- 8th century A.D.
A priest has doubts about the Real Presence; however, when he consecrates the Host it transforms into flesh and blood. This miracle has undergone extensive scientific examination and can only be explained as a miracle. The flesh is actually cardiac tissue which contains arterioles, veins, and nerve fibers. The blood type as in all other approved Eucharistic miracles is type AB! Histological micrographs are shown. ..."
[Semperaltius Online; Eucharistic Miracles] - http://www.semperaltius.com/eucharistic_miracles.htm


Scripture is clear, Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. John 17:17

But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. Genesis 9:4

And Moses and Aaron did so, as the LORD commanded; and he lifted up the rod, and smote the waters that [were] in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh, and in the sight of his servants; and all the waters that [were] in the river were turned to blood. Exodus 7:20

And the fish that [was] in the river died; and the river stank, and the Egyptians could not drink of the water of the river; and there was blood throughout all the land of Egypt. Exodus 7:21 [see also Psalms 78:44, 105:29]

And the priest shall bring it unto the altar, and wring off his head, and burn [it] on the altar; and the blood thereof shall be wrung out at the side of the altar: Leviticus 1:15

[It shall be] a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood. Leviticus 3:17

And the priest shall put [some] of the blood upon the horns of the altar of sweet incense before the LORD, which [is] in the tabernacle of the congregation; and shall pour all the blood of the bullock at the bottom of the altar of the burnt offering, which [is at] the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. Leviticus 4:7

See also Leviticus 4:18,25,30,34, 5:9, 8:15, 9:9, 17:13; Numbers 19:5; Deuteronomy 12:27

Moreover ye shall eat no manner of blood, [whether it be] of fowl or of beast, in any of your dwellings. Leviticus 7:26

Whatsoever soul [it be] that eateth any manner of blood, even that soul shall be cut off from his people. Leviticus 7:27

And whatsoever man [there be] of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people. Leviticus 17:10

For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul. Leviticus 17:11

Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood. Leviticus 17:12

For [it is] the life of all flesh; the blood of it [is] for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh [is] the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off. Leviticus 17:14

Ye shall not eat [any thing] with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times. Leviticus 19:26

Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water. Deuteronomy 12:16

Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood [is] the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh. Deuteronomy 12:23

Thou shalt not eat it; thou shalt pour it upon the earth as water. Deuteronomy 12:24

Thou shalt not eat it; that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, when thou shalt do [that which is] right in the sight of the LORD. Deuteronomy 12:25

Only thou shalt not eat the blood thereof; thou shalt pour it upon the ground as water. Deuteronomy 15:23

And the people flew upon the spoil, and took sheep, and oxen, and calves, and slew [them] on the ground: and the people did eat [them] with the blood. 1 Samuel 14:32

Then they told Saul, saying, Behold, the people sin against the LORD, in that they eat with the blood. And he said, Ye have transgressed: roll a great stone unto me this day. 1 Samuel 14:33

And Saul said, Disperse yourselves among the people, and say unto them, Bring me hither every man his ox, and every man his sheep, and slay [them] here, and eat; and sin not against the LORD in eating with the blood. And all the people brought every man his ox with him that night, and slew [them] there. 1 Samuel 14:34

But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood. Acts 15:20

That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Acts 15:29 [see also Acts 21:25]

The Hebrew word for “eat” in these passages is “'akal” “אכל” and it means “eat, consume, devour, destroy by eating” [Strong's Concordance].

The "feast of the birds" [Matthew 24:28; Luke 17:37, the opposite feast of Christ and the redeemed] is coming in judgment for the wicked abominations of these things upon the earth:

And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, [even] a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. Ezekiel 39:17

Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. Ezekiel 39:18

And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. Ezekiel 39:19

And in her, as has been shown is the "blood of the saints" [point (E)], which have been martyred for standing for the Truth, against such doctrines as found in her:

And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. Revelation 16:4

For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. Revelation 16:6

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 17:6

And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. Revelation 18:24


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Now let us look at John 6 in what is says concerning this topic of "flesh" and "blood":

John Chapter 6,

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. John 6:63

As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. John 6:57

Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. John 6:27


What is this "meat which endureth"?

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. John 6:29

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:40

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 6:47


However, many of the crowd simply did not want to believe in Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of God, being God, the I AM [especially as the only way] without some great sign, even though a little earlier they had all just been fed and been full physically from so very little bread and fish.


They did not want to understand that "He came down from Heaven" and said, "Is not this...the son of Joseph?" They did not want to take Jesus on faith.

Jesus pointed out that even those who had been fed from miraculous manna from heaven, all had still died [and are still dead to this day], but those who believed on Him, the True manna, would live forever, neither thirst, nor hunger.

And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. John 6:35

I am that bread of life. John 6:48

This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. John 6:58


Not as their fathers who ate flakes, wafers of manna.

Jesus was speaking of Himself as the Messiah and Saviour [not an unbiblical "transubstantiation"]:

This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. John 6:50

Jesus "Flesh" and "Blood" never came down from heaven, but He and His doctrine have. Notice how Jesus Himself lives, "by the Father", and so likewise we, also, by Him:

As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. John 6:57

Jesus makes it abundantly clear that His words are Spirit:

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. John 6:63

Peter, himself, acknowledges that Jesus has the Words of Life because that He is the Messiah:

Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. John 6:68

Jesus makes known who did not have eternal life and why they did not, it was because they belived not on Him, as the Christ, even though they had seen Him and the works He performed:

But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. John 6:35

And the entirety of the Chapter of John 6 is summed up in this one verse:

And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. John 6:69

The Roman Catholic theology of "transubstantiation" is nowhere in the text. Rather it is focusing on who is "the Christ, the Son of the living God" and who believed "on Him" and who did not.

It is Belief in Christ Jesus as the "Son of the living God", the Messiah, the Christ, God manifest in the flesh, the sent of the Father, the Saviour, etc that is the focus.


And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3

We are to "eat" and "drink" His words, for they are spirit and are life.

The flesh profits nothing.

Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world.


What of the "Cup of Blessing" [Isaiah 65:8; 1 Corinthians 10:16], what kind of "wine", was it to be fermented [alcoholic, intoxicating] or unfermented [pure juice of the grape]?

Scripture is clear, that the "fruit of the vine", was to be "new", for a "blessing is in it", especially for the Passover [Luke 22:15], representing the pure doctrine [unlike the leavened doctrines and hypocrisies of Herod and Scribes and Pharisees which nullified the Word of God by their "traditions"; Matthew 15:3,6; Mark 7:8,9,13, 8:15; Colossians 2:8; 1 Timothy 4:1] and blood of Jesus Christ, was to be unfermented:

Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel. Exodus 12:15

Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses
: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land. Exodus 12:19

Unleavened bread shall be eaten seven days; and there shall no leavened bread be seen with thee, neither shall there be leaven seen with thee in all thy quarters
. Exodus 13:7

Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven
; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning. Exodus 34:25

The phrase "
fruit of the vine" is specifically used to emphasize that it was non-alcoholic 'pure grape juice', the very symbol of the purity of Christ Jesus and His pure doctrines [Matthew 9:17; Mark 2:22; Luke 5:37-38]:

But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. Matthew 26:29

Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine
, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. Mark 14:25

For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine
, until the kingdom of God shall come. Luke 22:18

Fermented grape [alcoholic content], represented sin, wickedness, rebellion, and corrupted doctrines and hypocrisy:

Babylon [hath been] a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Jeremiah 51:7

And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Revelation 14:8


Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Galatians 6:7

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It was the many pagan nations that ate of the blood of the sacrifice and drank of intoxicating drink [1 Samuel 1:13-16, "drunken", "wine", "strong drink" and "daughter of Belial"].

Christians are not to drink anything intoxicating [not all texts can be discussed in this particular place, for further study, another thread may be begun at a later period, and a link will be inserted here at that time]:

Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 1 Corinthians 10:31


Can a person who is “intoxicated” [“poisons”] by “wine” which is “alcoholic” bring “glory to God” in their drinking? This simply is not possible, due to the very nature of what the alcohol does to a person. It impairs brain activity, slows down reactionary time, attacks the heart, kidneys, liver, bloodstream, causing cancer, disease, dizziness, loose morality, causing one to forget, etc and is one of the major leading causes of death and misery in the world. Even the smallest amount begins to break down the immune system of the human body.

JESUS also spoke of the corrupt spiritual Leaven [fermentation]:

Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. Matthew 16:6

Then understood they how that he bade [them] not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. Matthew 16:12

And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and [of] the leaven of Herod. Mark 8:15

In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. Luke 12:1

… and even by Paul, "Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:" 1 Corinthians 5:7

The "New Wine" is pure juice of the grape [unfermented], and as scripture has said of it:

Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and [one] saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing [is] in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. Isaiah 65:8

This is how the scriptures use the term "New Wine" [see also Isaiah 16:10, Proverbs 3:10]

That which is "found in the cluster" [Isaiah 65:8], pure grape juice, is meant for joy and gladness [Zechariah 10:7], such as a wedding [John 2:1-11, 4:46] or feast [Psalms 104:15; Ecclesiastes 9:7, etc].

Christians should not drink "fermented wine" because we know of its ill and damaging effects, physically, mentally and spiritually and that scripture has plainly warned us to stay away from it in many many places, even giving us perfect examples of what happens to those who choose to disregard... [a few: Genesis 9:21, 19:32; Leviticus 10:9-11; Isaiah 5:11-12, 19:14, 28:7; Ezekiel 44:23; Psalms 60:3; Proverbs 23:20-21,33, 31:4-5; Hosea 7:5; Habakkuk 2:15; 1 Timothy 3:2-3; Titus 1:7-8].

What else do the scriptures have to say about the subject of “wine”. Let us look further still:

All Christians are called to be "Kings and Priests", a "Royal Priesthood"; Christ Jesus is Himself the Annointed King of Kings and High Priest over all:

"...an holy priesthood..." 1 Peter 2:5;p

"...a royal priesthood, an holy nation..." 1 Peter 2:9;p

"...kings and priests unto God and his Father..." Revelation 1:6;p

"...unto our God kings and priests..." Revelation 5:10;p

Alcohol is especially not for Kings:

"...not for kings...not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:" Proverbs 31:4;p

"Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted." Proverbs 31:5;p

Alcohol is especially not for Priests:

"Do not drink wine nor strong drink..." Leviticus 10:9;p [this being said of the sons of Aaron, in the priesthood, especially in the Holy Place, or Most Holy Place, and today we are in the Anti-typical Day of Atonement, by Faith entered into the Heavenly with Christ Jesus who is there now]

"...put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;" Leviticus 10:10;p

Our bodies are the Temple of the Holy Spirt. God calls us to be Holy as He is Holy and to make a difference:

"...it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." 1 Peter 1:16;p [See also Leviticus 20:7]

Alcohol is especially not for the pregnant, and for those to be filled with the Holy Spirit [see also Acts 2:15-18; Ephesians 5:18], and the angel of the LORD came to Samson's mother and gave her very specific instructions:

And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou [art] barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son. Judges 13:3

Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean [thing]: Judges 13:4

The Bible even reveals the very real and serious dangers of those who are "drunkards", constantly imbibbing, unable to cease, a slave to alcohol. Many people say that they can stop when they want, but without Christ we cannot do so [John 15:5], but through Christ Jesus all things [Matthew 19:26; Philippians 4:13] and by Him we can be “overcomers”:

Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh: Proverbs 23:20

For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe [a man] with rags. Proverbs 23:21

Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? Proverbs 23:29

They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Proverbs 23:30

Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, [when] it moveth itself aright. Proverbs 23:31

At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. Proverbs 23:32

Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. Proverbs 23:33

Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. Proverbs 23:34

They have stricken me, [shalt thou say, and] I was not sick; they have beaten me, [and] I felt [it] not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again. Proverbs 23:35

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The Roman Catholic church teaches the "immortal soul [spirit]" theology [which is spiritualism], which every pagan religion and occult mystic believes and teaches. She also teaches "eternal [unending] torments", "purgatory" etc.

“The limbo of infants (limbus parvulorum), where those who die in original sin alone, and without personal mortal sin, are confined and undergo some kind of punishment; ...

... The limbo of the Fathers (limbus patrum), in which the souls of the just who died before Christ awaited their admission to heaven; for in the meantime heaven was closed against them in punishment for the sin of Adam; ...

... Purgatory, where the just, who die in venial sin or who still owe a debt of temporal punishment for sin, are cleansed by suffering before their admission to heaven. ...

... The Church professes her faith in the Athanasian Creed: "They that have done good shall go into life everlasting, and they that have done evil into everlasting fire" (Denzinger, "Enchiridion", 10th ed., 1908, n.40). The Church has repeatedly defined this truth, e.g. in the profession of faith made in the Second Council of Lyons (Denx., n. 464) and in the Decree of Union in the Council of Florence (Denz., N. 693): “the souls of those who depart in mortal sin, or only in original sin, go down immediately into hell, to be visited, however, with unequal punishments” (poenis disparibus). ...

... The torments of the damned shall last forever and ever. ...

... Besides even in Origen we find the orthodox teaching on the eternity of the pains of hell; ...

... The Church professes her faith in the eternity of the pains of hell in clear terms in the Athanasian Creed (Denz., nn. 40), in authentic doctrinal decisions (Denz, nn. 211, 410, 429, 807, 835, 915), and in countless passages of her liturgy; ...

... the Church expressly teaches the eternity of the pains of hell as a truth of faith which no one can deny or call in question without manifest heresy. ...

... The sinner perseveres forever in his evil disposition.” [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia, "H"; "Hell"] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07207a.htm

"WE BELEIVE in ... ... each man of his spiritual and immortal soul [Roman Catholic Online Library; Papal Encyclials Online and Vatican.Va; The Credo of the people of God, Promulgated by Pope Paul VI on June 30, 1968] - http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_pa06cr.htm or http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Paul06/p6credo.htm or http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/p...s/hf_p-vi_motu-proprio_19680630_credo_en.html

"...That our vital activities proceed from a principle capable of subsisting in itself, is the thesis of the substantiality of the soul: that this principle is not itself composite, extended, corporeal, or essentially and intrinsically dependent on the body, is the doctrine of spirituality. ... Dualism ... Plato ... Platonic Dualism ... " [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "S", "Soul"] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14153a.htm

"...By immortality is ordinarily understood the doctrine that the human soul will survive death, continuing in the possession of an endless conscious existence. ...

...
The doctrine of immortality, strictly or properly understood, means personal immortality, the endless conscious existence of the individual soul. It implies that the being which survives shall preserve its personal identity and be connected by conscious memory with the previous life. ...

...
For positive evidence, however, that the soul will continue after death in the possession of a conscious life, we must appeal to teleology and the consideration of the character of the universe as a whole.
..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "I"; "Immortality"] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07687a.htm

What did Jesus, the author of Life, teach about this subject of death [2 examples]?

"... My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live." Matthew 9:18;p

"... the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn." Matthew 9:24;p

"... the maid arose." Matthew 9:25
;p

"... Thy daughter is dead: why troublest thou the Master any further?" Mark 5:35;p

"... the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth." Mark 5:39;p

"And they laughed him to scorn. ..." Mark 5:40;p

"...Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise." Mark 5:41;p


"... Thy daughter is dead; trouble not the Master." Luke 8:49;p

"... Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth." Luke 8:52;p

And they laughed him to scorn, knowing that she was dead. Luke 8:53

"... Maid, arise." Luke 8:54;p


Do we believe Jesus, or shall we also laugh Him to scorn for saying such?

"... Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep." John 11:11;p

Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. John 11:13

Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. John 11:14

"... he had [lain] in the grave four days already." John 11:17;p

"... my brother had not died." John 11:21;p

Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. John 11:23

Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. John 11:24

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: John 11:25

"... my brother had not died." John 11:32;p

And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died? John 11:37

Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it. John 11:38

Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been [dead] four days. John 11:39

Then they took away the stone [from the place] where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up [his] eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. John 11:41

And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. John 11:43

And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. John 11:44


What did Peter teach on this subject? Let us go to a powerful lesson in Acts 2:

The Apostle Simon 'Peter' Barjona, filled with the Holy Spirit, raises his voice and begins speaking, teaching and orating and also surrounded by the other 11 Apostles of Christ Jesus and the remaining Disciples that were with them. The Apostle Simon 'Peter' Barjona then before the crowd in Jerusalem, in a teaching and expounding manner, directly quotes from both the Prophets Joel and King David, as well as from the Psalms.

Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Acts 2:29

For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Acts 2:34

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation. 2 Peter 3:4


Good King David, a man after God's own heart, though he had his downfall, is Dead … Buried … not in Heaven … and even moreso his Tomb was still with them all, so says the Apostle Simon 'Peter' Barjona by the Holy Spirit and the Scriptures.

"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine ..." Acts 2:42;p

Shall we not continue stedfastly in the Apostle's doctrine and fellowship on this subject?

What does Luke [physician/historian] teach and record about the Apostle and Martyr Stephen?

"... he fell asleep." Acts 7:60;p

What does Paul teach on David, and others who have died previously?

For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: Acts 13:36

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Paul

"... but some are fallen asleep." 1 Cor. 15:6;p

"...
I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep ..." 1 Thes. 4:13;p

John

"... Blessed [are] the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; ..." Rev. 14:13;p

Daniel

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt. Dan. 12:2

Job

There the wicked cease [from] troubling; and there the weary be at rest. Job 3:17

[There]
the prisoners rest together; they hear not the voice of the oppressor. Job 3:18

The
small and great are there; and the servant [is] free from his master. Job 3:19

"...
see me no [more]: ... and I [am] not." Job 7:8;p

[As] the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no [more]. Job 7:9

He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more. Job 7:10

So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens [be] no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. Job 14:12

"...
hide me in the grave ... thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!" Job 14:13;p

If
a man die, shall he live [again]? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. Job 14:14

His sons come to honour, and he knoweth [it] not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth [it] not of them. Job 14:21

If
I wait, the grave [is] mine house: I have made my bed in the darkness. Job 17:13

They
shall go down to the bars of the pit, when [our] rest together [is] in the dust. Job 17:16

One dieth in his full strength, being wholly at ease and quiet. Job 21:23

And
another dieth in the bitterness of his soul, and never eateth with pleasure. Job 21:25

They shall lie down alike in the dust, and the worms shall cover them. Job 21:26

Yet
shall he be brought to the grave, and shall remain in the tomb. Job 21:32

Solomon

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Ecc. 9:5

Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun. Ecc. 9:6

"...
for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." Ecc. 9:10;p

God

"... thou shalt surely die." Gen. 2:17;p

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread,
till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return. Gen. 3:19 [also Gen. 3:22-24]

"...
thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust." Psa. 104:29;p

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Ecc. 12:7

OT

So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David. 1 Kings 2:10

"slept with his fathers"
[1 Kings 2:10, 11:21,43, 14:20,31, 15:8,24, 16:6,28, 22:40,50; 2 Kings 8:24, 10:35, 13:9,13, 14:16,22,29, 15:7,22,38, 16:20, 20:21, 21:18, 24:6; 2 Chron. 9:31, 12:16, 14:1, 16:13, 21:1, 26:2,23, 27:9, 28:27, 32:33, 33:20]

Free among the dead, like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand. Psa. 88:5

Thou hast laid me in the lowest pit, in darkness, in the deeps.
Psa. 88:6

Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise [and] praise thee? Selah.
Psa. 88:10

Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? [or] thy faithfulness in destruction?
Psa. 88:11

Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?
Psa. 88:12

"...
sleep the [sleep of] death;" Psa. 13:3;p

The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence. Psa. 115:17

His breath goeth forth,
he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. Psa. 146:4

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What does the serpent teach?

And the serpent said unto the woman,
Ye shall not surely die: Genesis 3:4

Who only hath
"immortality"?

That thou keep [this] commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 1 Timothy 6:14

Which in his times he shall shew, [who is] the blessed and
only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 1 Timothy 6:15

Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen. 1 Timothy 6:16

Is man
"immortal"in any way, or rather "mortal"?

Shall mortal manbe more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker? Job 4:17

Please really take the time to consider the texts and please take some time to think about the saying that is said every
"Ash Wednesday"and really consider the words,"Remember man that thou art dust and unto dust thou shalt return." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "A"; "Ash Wednesday"]- http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01775b.htm


Mankind does not die and "float away" in some "immortal incorporeal essence" [ie, "ghostial"], but rather their "breath" [which is not individually conscious or sentient] which is in the "nostrils" goes forth and given up, and we return to "dust", there to "sleep", knowing, doing etc nothing, until our respective resurrection, "at the last day".

Through the Roman Catholic "doctrine" of the "immortality of the soul [spirit]", all manner of other false doctrines can come through this spiritualism, for the "dead" "saints" and Roman Catholic "mary" are then said to be able to "communicate" with the living and reveal "doctrines" directly contrary to the Scripture and clear Word of God [Isaiah 8:20; 1 Corinthians 14:32].[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]

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And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.2 Corinthians 11:14


Remember, those who die know nothing:

His sons come to honour, and he knoweth [it] not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth [it] not of them. Job 14:21

The Bible does not teach the "platonic" version of the "soul", not "dualism".

We are all a "living soul" right now - Biblical wholism.

And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7

Where is the breath of life? Breathed into the nostrils.

All the while my breath [is] in me, and the spirit of God [is] in my nostrils; Job 27:3

The Scripture directly says that "the soul that sinneth, it shall die."

"... the soul that sinneth, it shall die." Ezekiel 18:4;p

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. ..." Ezekiel 18:20;p


Again the texts reveal that at death, the "breath" [which was "in the nostrils"] returns to GOD, and the "dust" "returns to the earth as it was" and the "living soul" then "dies" [sleeps; first death]:

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Ecclesiastes 12:7 ["spirit" is [“ruwach” “רוח”: breath of life, wind, air]]

Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust. Psalms 104:29

"...thou shalt surely die." [Genesis 2:17;p]

It was the serpent who lied and said that no we wont die and that we would somehow remain alive... and he is the one teaching "immortal soul" theology, spiritualism, so that he may manifest as deceased saints, dead relatives, etc, just as was done for Saul and the Witch of En Dor.

Even the breath and spirit of God in animals is the same as that in man.

And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life. Genesis 7:15

All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of life, of all that [was] in the dry [land], died. Genesis 7:22

In whose hand [is] the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind. Job 12:10

The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life. Job 33:4

If he set his heart upon man, [if] he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath; Job 34:14

Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust. Psalms 104:29

His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. Psalms 146:4

For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all [is] vanity. Ecclesiastes 3:19


So even when an Animal dies it is the same as men.

The Bible does not even differnetiante between a "wicked" persons "breath" and "just" persons "breath" of those who die.


As one dieth so the other, all breath goes forth, the breath of life returns unto God who gave that life. Nowhere is there any text which reveals that the breath of life has a conscience, is self-aware.

Dust + Breath of Life = living soul.

Remove one or the other and the living soul temporarily cease to be in existence, but Jesus can reassemble or recreate them to resurrect the dead.

Nails + Wood = House

Remove either the nails or the wood, and there is no longer the house.

Mary and Martha knew what the scriptures taught, that the Resurrection is at the last day, but Jesus is the resurrection and the life and therefore could raise Lazarus to life again.

Notice that Lazarus did not "come down" or "come up". Rather He "came forth" from the tomb, having been dead. Of any resurrection in scripture we will find none making a single comment on what it was like to be dead, for as scripture says, the dead know not anything. It is as Jesus called the first death, "sleep".

The Bible speaks of soul as in the totality of the dust + breath in either man or animal:

And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, [both] of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep: Numbers 31:28

Paul [and also Luke who recorded it] also taught and believed this:

Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; Acts 17:25


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Christ Jesus, who is the resurrection and the life, is the Head - the firstfruits of them that slept.

But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept. 1 Corinthians 15:20

For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead. 1 Corinthians 15:21

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:22

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 1 Corinthians 15:23

Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:24

For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 1 Corinthians 15:25

The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death. 1 Corinthians 15:26

So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 1 Corinthians 15:42

It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 1 Corinthians 15:43

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 1 Corinthians 15:49

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1 Corinthians 15:51

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:52


When shall we "bear the image of the Heavenly"? After our "sleep" in death and our resurrection "at the last trump", when Christ Jesus comes in His Second Advent in "power" and "glory".

So while Abel was the first to be slain some 6000 years ago, he sleeps in death, waiting in the grave, and when it is his time to be raised by the "Trump of God", it will have been only the "twinkling of an eye", since in the sleep of death he knew not anything. Or if we be still alive on the earth at the Second Advent, we shall be "changed" in a "moment".

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:53

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 1 Corinthians 15:54

O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory? 1 Corinthians 15:55
To make the point on this subject, Job specifically asks the question:

But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where [is] he? Job 14:10 ["ghost" is "gava'" and means "to breathe [exhale] ones last breath", "expire" [Strong's Concordance]]


So, where is he that dieth? He is:
[As] the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up: Job 14:11

So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens [be] no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. Job 14:12

O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! Job 14:13

If a man die, shall he live [again]? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. Job 14:14 [Paul says the same, as does Jesus, even Peter and John, etc]

Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands. Job 14:15

For I know [that] my redeemer liveth, and [that] he shall stand at the latter [day] upon the earth: Job 19:25

And [though] after my skin [worms] destroy this [body], yet in my flesh shall I see God: Job 19:26


"Eternal life" is the "gift of God" "through Christ Jesus our Lord", and our "crown" is "laid up" for us, to be given "at that day", the "last day", even at the "appearing" [2 Timothy 4:1,8] of our Lord and Saviour.

The wicked that choose to remain wicked and knowingly spurn the grace of God and His Commandments until their very dying day, never receive the "gift" of eternal life. There is no eternal life for such, and therefore there is no eternal torments in hellfire, or sadisticness. They are to be gathered in the grave, the pit, where they cease their toiling. Then after the 1000 years to come [Revelation 20]. They are to be raised in the Seconed Resurrection on earth, and in a little while, face their works, judgment and reward and then to
"perish" utterly in the Second Death - see also John 3:16. There are no immortal wicked ever, they are to be "consumed" into "smoke" and "ashes", never to be any more. Even Satan and his angels are to perish and be no more.

Additional resources on this subject:

http://www.truthaboutdeath.com/

http://www.pickle-publishing.com/papers/immortality.htm

http://www.pickle-publishing.com/papers/soul-and-spirit.htm

http://www.virginmarybook.com/books/Is the Virgin Mary.pdf

http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/135/222-232K/

http://www.amazingfacts.org/FreeStu...G/en/7/Absent-From-the-Body/SC/R/Default.aspx

http://www.amazingfacts.org/FreeStu...7=Spirits-of-the-Dead-Do-They-Speak-and-Hear?

http://www.amazingfacts.org/Televis.../ctl/PlayMedia/mid/727/MDID/4781/Default.aspx

http://www.amazingfacts.org/Televis.../ctl/PlayMedia/mid/416/MDID/4747/Default.aspx

http://www.amazingfacts.org/Televis.../ctl/PlayMedia/mid/417/MDID/4627/Default.aspx

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The "doctrine" which is directly related to the Roman Catholic teaching of "immortal soul", is the "doctrine" of "eternal torments in hellfire", an unending agony and misery through eternity, ceaseless pain and suffering. A "doctrine" that foists upon just God Himself and His Word, the very hideous character and mind of satan [though the theology tries [and fails] to avoid this].

"...The Holy Bible is quite explicit in teaching the eternity of the pains of hell. The torments of the damned shall last forever and ever ... They are everlasting just as are the joys of heaven ...
The objections adduced from Scripture against this doctrine are so meaningless that they are not worth while discussing in detail. ... The Church professes her faith in the eternity of the pains of hell in clear terms in the Athanasian Creed (Denz., nn. 40), in authentic doctrinal decisions (Denz, nn. 211, 410, 429, 807, 835, 915), and in countless passages of her liturgy; she never prays for the damned. Hence, beyond the possibility of doubt, the Church expressly teaches the eternity of the pains of hell as a truth of faith which no one can deny or call in question without manifest heresy. ... eternal retribution is dealt out immediately after death ... The sinner perseveres forever in his evil disposition ... " [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "H"; "Hell"; subsection "Eernity of Hell"] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07207a.htm

"...Besides, due proportion between demerit and punishment would be rendered impossible by an indiscriminate annihilation of all the wicked. ..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "H"; "Hell"; subsection "Existence of Hell"] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07207a.htm

"...Conditionalists hold only a hypothetical immortality of the soul, and assert that after undergoing a certain amount of punishment, the souls of the wicked will be annihilated. ..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "H"; "Hell"; subsection "Eternity of Hell"] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07207a.htm

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We may further admit that it is not intrinsically impossible for God to annihilate the sinner after some definite amount of punishment; but this would be less in conformity with the nature of man's immortal soul; and, secondly, we know of no fact that might give us any right to suppose God will act in such a manner. ..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "H"; "Hell"; subsection "Eternity of Hell"] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07207a.htm

Do we see how that one "doctrine" ["immortal soul" theology] automatically breeds further error? This Roman Catholic "doctrine" of the "eternal pains of hell" is not in harmony with the Character of God nor of His Word:

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Revelation 21:4


The Bible teaches no such doctrines as “eternally burning in torment in hellfire” [either physically, mentally, or other], “immortalized suffering sinners”, “purgatory”, “limbo”, or “immediate judgment or reward at death”, but does reveal that there is a very real [and literal] fire that will burn upon the whole earth on that day of carrying out of judgment.

No one is burning now, nor will be until that day, and will not yet burn in agony and writhing torments for all eternity. The wages for sin are death, not immortality in writhing agony in the fire.

“Hellfire”, “Lake of Fire” comes after the 2nd resurrection [resurrection of the damned, wicked, unjust], Great White Throne Judgment and 1000 years [Millennium] and will burn for an unknown time over the whole face of the earth [Revelation 20], and then go out into "smoke" and "ashes":

Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed in the earth: much more the wicked and the sinner. Proverbs 11:31

For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. Psalms 37:9

Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see [it]. Psalms 37:34

Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. Psalms 91:8

For the LORD shall rise up as [in] mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as [in] the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act. Isaiah 28:21

[Is] not destruction to the wicked? and a strange [punishment] to the workers of iniquity? Job 31:3

Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth. Isaiah 28:22

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:7

...afterwards GOD creates a New Heaven and a New Earth:

But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. Psalms 37:11

Blessed [are] the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2 Peter 3:13

He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken [it]. Isaiah 25:8

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Sinners and devils [Satan, etc.] will be annihilated, destroyed, consumed into ashes to never be any more:

"... I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee." Eze. 28:18;p

"...thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt be] any more." Eze. 27:36;p

"... thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt] thou [be] any more." Eze. 28:19;p

Wicked:

That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath. Job 21:30

"... all the wicked will he destroy." Psa. 145:20;p

"The Lord knoweth how ... to reserve [in the grave, in the dust] the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:" 2 Pet. 2:9;p

"... the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." Jhn 12:48;p

"... perish, ... whole body should be cast into hell." Mat. 5:30;p

"... the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world." Mat. 13:40;p

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; Mat. 13:41

And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Mat. 13:42

"... they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." Jhn 5:29;p

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Rev. 21:8

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Rev. 22:12

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Mat. 16:27

After the 2nd Resurrection, they are to "perish" in the second Death:

"... a fire not blown shall consume him;..." Job 20:26;p

This [is] the portion of a wicked man from God, and the heritage appointed unto him by God. Job 20:29

For what portion of God [is there] from above? and [what] inheritance of the Almighty from on high? Job 31:2

[Is] not destruction to the wicked? and a strange [punishment] to the workers of iniquity? Job 31:3

"The wicked shall be turned into hell ..." Psa. 9:17;p

"Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end..." Psa. 7:9;p

"Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, ... the portion of their cup." Psa. 11:6;p

"Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven ... shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them." Psa. 21:9;p

For yet a little while, and the wicked [shall] not [be]: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it [shall] not [be]. Psa. 37:10

But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD [shall be] as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away. Psa. 37:20

"... the seed of the wicked shall be cut off." Psa. 37:28;p

But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off. Psa. 37:38

As smoke is driven away, [so] drive [them] away: as wax melteth before the fire, [so] let the wicked perish at the presence of God. Psa. 68:2

"... blotted out of the book of the living..." Psa. 69:28;p

"... all the wicked of the earth shall wring [them] out, [and] drink [them]." Psa. 75:8;p

"All the horns of the wicked also will I cut off..." Psa. 75:10;p

"... that they shall be destroyed for ever:" Psa. 92:7;p

"... thine enemies shall perish; all the workers of iniquity shall be scattered." Psa. 92:9;p

Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. ..." Psa. 104:35;p

And a fire was kindled in their company; the flame burned up the wicked. Psa. 106:18

"... but all the wicked will he destroy." Psa. 145:20;p

But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it. Prov. 2:22

"As the whirlwind passeth, so [is] the wicked no [more]..." Prov. 10:25;p

"... but the expectation of the wicked shall perish." Prov. 10:28;p

"...but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth." Prov. 10:30;p

"The wicked are overthrown, and [are] not..." Prov. 12:7;p

"... but the lamp of the wicked shall be put out." Prov. 13:9;p

"The house of the wicked shall be overthrown..." Prov. 14:11;p

"...the candle of the wicked shall be put out." Prov. 24:20;p

"... the soul that sinneth, it shall die." Ezekiel 18:4;p "The soul that sinneth, it shall die..." Eze. 18:20;p

"... the day of the LORD ... he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it." Isa. 13:9;p

"... shall be consumed together..." Isa. 66:17;p

"... look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me..." Isa. 66:24;p

"...they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry." Nah. 1:10;p

"... they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been." Oba. 1:16;p

I will utterly consume all [things] from off the land, saith the LORD. Zeph. 1:2

"I will consume man ... the stumblingblocks with the wicked; and I will cut off man from off the land..." Zeph. 1:3;p

Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Jam. 1:15

"... fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Mat. 10:28;p

"... perish..." Jhn 3:16;p

"...wages of sin [is] death..." Rom. 6:23;p

"... whose end [is] to be burned." Heb. 6:8;p

"But the day of the Lord ... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." 2 Pet. 3:10;p

And they went up on the breadth of the earth ... and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Rev. 20:9

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The words used so far in describing the end of the wicked are Destroy, Blotted Out, Perished, Consumed Utterly, Cut Off, Dissolved, Melted, Devoured, Dead, Death, Hath Not Been, Not [any/no more], Burned Up, etc. [Strong's Concordance]:

[Hebrew: machah מחה; meaning: to wipe out; blot out, obliterate; exterminated]

[Hebrew: macah מסה; meaning: melt away, dissolve, liquefy, consumed]

[Hebrew: muwg מוג; meaning: to melt, dissolve, faint, dissipate, flow away]

[Hebrew: muwth מות; meaning: dead, death, kill, slain]

[Hebrew: da`ak דעך; meaning: extinguished, to go out, put out, dry up, made extinct, quenched]

[Hebrew: caphah ספה; meaning: to be swept away, destroyed, consumed]

[Hebrew: shachath שחת; meaning: destroyed, corrupted, ruined, decayed]

[Hebrew: parar פרר; meaning: break apart, frustrate, split, splinter to pieces, shatter, cracked up]

[Hebrew: 'abad אבד; meaning: perished, vanished, destroyed, die, exterminated, blot out, put to death]

[Hebrew: 'obed אבד; meaning: destruction, perish]

[Hebrew: gava` גוע; meaning: to expire, die, death, breathe ones last, yield up the last breath]

[Hebrew: cuwph סוף; meaning: to come to an end, to make an end, consume utterly, cause to cease, perish]

[Hebrew: damah דמה; meaning: to cease, cause to cease, cut off, destroy, perish, to be undone]

[Hebrew: charam חרם; meaning: to ban, destroy utterly and completely, exterminated, forfeited, divided, prohibited]

[Hebrew: kalah כלה; meaning: consumed, determined, ended, finished, completely spent, at an end, perish, terminated, annihilation, complete destruction]

[Hebrew: karath כרת; meaning: cut off, cut asunder, eliminate, kill, cut down]

[Hebrew: kachad כחד; meaning: hide, conceal, cut down, make desolate, destroy, cut off, annihilate, efface]

[Hebrew: bala` בלע; meaning: swallowed up, eaten up, to be ended]

[Hebrew: balah בלה; meaning: to wear out, wear away, use up completely]

[Hebrew: harac הרס; meaning: to tear down, break down, overthrow, destroy utterly]

[Hebrew: show' שוא; meaning: devastated, ruined, laid to waste]

[Hebrew: tsamath צמת; meaning: put an end to, cut off, destroy, exterminate, annihilate]

[Hebrew: shamad שמד; meaning: destroyed, exterminate, annihilated, devastated]

[Hebrew: naphal נפל; meaning: cast down, fail, waste away, overturn, knock down, fall]

[Hebrew: 'akal אכל; meaning: to eat, devour, consume, to be wasted, destroyed]

[Hebrew: chacal חסל; meaning: to consume, eaten up, bring to an end]

[Hebrew: tamam תמם; meaning: to be complete, finished, at an end, consumed, exhausted]

[Hebrew: 'oklah אכלה; meaning: object of devouring, consuming in judgment]

[Hebrew: maqaq מקק; meaning: to decay, pine away, rot, fester, corrupt, dissolve]

[Hebrew: guwz גוז; meaning: to pass over, pass away (of life), cut off]

[Hebrew: yatsath יצת; meaning: to be burned up, to be made desolate, set on fire]

[Hebrew: sĕrephah שרפה; meaning: burning, burn, burnt up throughly]

[Greek: apollymi ἀπόλλυμι; meaning: to destroy, put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin, render useless, kill, perish]

[Greek: lyō λύω; meaning: loosed, undone, annul, dissolve, do away with, overthrow, break up]

[Greek: katalyō καταλύω; meaning: dissolved, disunite, overthrow, render vain, bring to naught]

[Greek: analiskō ἀναλίσκω; meaning: to expend, consume, destroy]

[Greek: phtheirō φθείρω; meaning: to corrupt, to destroy, to perish, deprave]

[Greek: diaphtheirō διαφθείρω; meaning: to corrupt, consume, destroy, kill, eat up, ruin]

[Greek: aphanizō ἀφανίζω; meaning: to snatch away, take away, to make unseen, to destroy, consume, to make vanish]

[Greek: phthora φθορά; meaning: corruption, destruction, perishing, decay]

[Greek: kataphtheirō καταφθείρω; meaning: to corrupt, deprave, to destroy, perish]

[Greek: ekkoptō ἐκκόπτω; meaning: hewn down, cut off or out]

[Greek: apokoptō ἀποκόπτω; meaning: cut off, amputate]

[Greek: nekros νεκρός; meaning: lifeless, dead, deceased, breathed ones last, inanimate, inactive]

[Greek: nekroō νεκρόω; meaning: dead, put to death, to deprive of power, destroy the strength]

[Greek: apothnēskō ἀποθνῄσκω; meaning: to die, perish, dry up, eternal death]

[Greek: empi(m)prēmi ἐμπί(μ)πρημι; meaning: burn up, destroy by fire]

[Greek: katakaiō κατακαίω; meaning: to burn up, consume by fire]

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A few texts to consider in more detail upon this subject before moving onto yet another "doctrine":


Sodom and Gomorrah - burnt with “eternal fire” and yet what is eternal is the finality of the judgment by fire, ie. The results of the fire are eternal.

Those cities are not still burning, but, being the set example for the final judgment, into ashes, have never been rebuilt nor ever will be:

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:7

And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 2 Peter 2:6

But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all. Luke 17:29

The Bible teaches that “Unquenchable fire” [given examples listed]:

Whose fan [is] in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.Matthew 3:12

Whose fan [is] in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable. Luke 3:17

...is a fire that will not be “quenched” [a verb, “to deliberately put out”], but that it will eventually go out once it has burned through [an example of how the Bible defines the term "unquenchable"]:

Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched. Jeremiah 7:20

But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched. Jeremiah 17:27

And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burned therein. Ezekiel 20:47

And all flesh shall see that I the LORD have kindled it: it shall not be quenched. Ezekiel 20:48

...Jerusalem was destroyed, its palaces devoured and burnt to the ground as prophesied and it is not still burning to this day, but true to the words "not quenched", no one put out the fires that eventually razed Jerusalem and the palaces to the ground:

And they burnt the house of God, and brake down the wall of Jerusalem, and burnt all the palaces thereof with fire, and destroyed all the goodly vessels thereof. 2 Chronicles 36:19

To fulfil the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: [for] as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years. 2 Chronicles 36:21

...This means that no one will deliberately put out the flames, or was able to deliver themselves from it, but the fire that GOD will bring in the Judgment will also burn, devouring, consuming and destroying those who are in it [the wicked are burnt up, destroyed for all time], until there is nothing left but ashes and the fire will have nothing more to consume and so go out into smoke:

Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: [there shall] not [be] a coal to warm at, [nor] fire to sit before it. Isaiah 47:14

For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. Malachi 4:1

And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do [this], saith the LORD of hosts. Malachi 4:3

The Biblical term “Forever and ever” is subject to context and overall Biblical teaching:

I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars [was] about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. Jonah 2:6

...and yet forever only meant 3 days and 3 nights:

Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights. Jonah 1:17

...one may also see that forever can mean until one is dead, or as long as one lives:

Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever. Exodus 21:6

...and again:

But Hannah went not up; for she said unto her husband, [I will not go up] until the child be weaned, and [then] I will bring him, that he may appear before the LORD, and there abide for ever. 1 Samuel 1:22

...but it was only until death:

Therefore also I have lent him to the LORD; as long as he liveth he shall be lent to the LORD. And he worshipped the LORD there. 1 Samuel 1:28

...["forever and ever"] can also imply or simply mean ascending up and out of sight, as in the case of smoke rising up into the atmosphere and stratosphere, ie. as far as the eye can visibly see:

It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever. Isaiah 34:10

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 14:11

[this does not mean that the smoke is to last for eternity, for GOD creates a New Heaven and a New Earth where the wicked were just burnt up into ashes (so much for metaphorical or 'mental anguish' fire), but that the smoke is rising up and up and out of sight into the heavens]

“Everlasting Punishment” and “Everlasting Destruction”. What is the Punishment being spoken of? The punishment for sin, which is death:

For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

[Note: The passage does not say "eternal torment in the flames" but simply death.]

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4

...so death will be everlasting and there will be no resurrection from the second death, eternal death is that Punishment:

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Matthew 25:46

[Note: The passage does not say "punishing", but rather "punishment" and the Punishment for Sin is Death]

Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 2 Thessalonians 1:9

[Punishment of Destruction is everlasting, not torment in the flames, the Second Death [well named] is eternal Death, oblivion, ceasing to exist]

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