Without Prophetic vision, we stumble

GaryLee · Apr 29, 2011

Jesus said, It is "Finished". So why do we need prophets, He has made us complete.
The problem with prophecy is that it attracts all the fortune tellers, Psychics and
new agers. And Creation believes any thing that it is told or sold, everything.

GaryLee · Apr 29, 2011

Judgment day is May 21st 2011, So saith a Prophet.

Luis67 · Apr 29, 2011

GaryLee said:
Judgment day is May 21st 2011, So saith a Prophet.

:yeah no kidding bro

Terene · Apr 30, 2011

Dear brother,

I agree with you that the world needs the power of God and the prophets seeing the state of the unbelief and hardness of heart, but I also believe that God has provided for everything that is necessary for salvation of each and every soul.

I am not completely sure as to the will of God in using prophets and miracles to save souls in this world, but I believe that as children of God, we should not be relying on prophets and miracles to keep us in the faith. Rather, we ought to simply believe what the Lord has spoken regarding His plan of Salvation in the Scriptures and put our trust in His providences. I do admit that prophetic visions and miracles can be eye catching and can prove useful in strengthening our faith, but I do think that the Lord has revealed to us what we need to know in Jesus Christ, so we ought to be seeking to know Him rather than miracles and prophetic visions.

Also, we must indeed be careful with regards to prophetic visions and miracles, and to test if their origin is from God. I'm not saying that we should despise them, but that we should carefully examine them so that we hold on only to those from God. Even those dreams that I had and shared with you, I am still waiting to see if what I have been shown is truly from God, though I do believe that it is from God (but I might have been wrong in my understanding of those dreams and maybe even of its origin). I keep an open heart to these matters, neither rejecting them entirely as though they surely don't come from God, but I also don't rely on them too much to the point of becoming deceived.

I say we must be careful, brother, because the devil can use deceiving miracles and "prophetic" revelations to lead us astray and distract us from the will of God. Our focus should be on the Lord, knowing and loving Him and actively walking in obedience to His commands, just like what sister Emmy has pointed out. This is what we must do, and God will surely lead us in the right path. Let us walk according to His Spirit and love, and wait eagerly in hope for our day of redemption as it draws near.

May the Lord bless you all!

thesunisout · Apr 30, 2011

Well, from the testimony in the bible it doesn't look like prophets were always well respected, or listened to. It is true though that in these times mans pride has swelled to monstrous proportions. This is the crux I think in that man thinks he can do it himself, that he doesnt need help. That he is free.. but that freedom is really the freedom to fall farther and farther from Grace.

We cannot be saved if we cannot do one basic thing, which is to receive that gift. Man is too busy with his life in this world even to do that. He thinks science will extend his life and make him invincible. He thinks his life belongs to him and no one else. He forgets his low condition, that he has nothing on his own.

A modern prophet just died the other day, David Wilkerson. He had a prophetic vision in the 70s which just seems to be truer and truer every day. Truly he had the Spirit with him. So I think God still sends prophets but we don't always recognize them.

This world is more evil than it ever has been. The situation is grotesque, spiritually. I think we are in the last days, personally. Which explains why man is acting so shamefully before his Creator.

briareos said:
This really spoke to me

Proverbs 29.18

"Where there is no prophetic vision the people cast off restraint but blessed is he who keeps the law"

Where there is no prophetic vision the people cast off restraint or ... the people are discouraged the ESV says is another meaning in the notes.

This really blessed me to see that the bible says that without prophets, inspiration, the divine on time words of the Lord people begin to stumble and falter, they get discouraged and put down the yoke of holiness, uprightness, faith in the promises of God.

I think this bears true of our recent generations. Many people seem to have forgotten the power of the Lord, that he answers prayer, that he does miracles, that he can heal, that he can speak to you, that he can show up and change things by his mighty power. We need such real power in our lives in order to retain the faith, the determination and the resolve to finish the race strong and bring our families with us.

So many people believers and nonbeleivers alike have become so materialistic and so dependent in human wisdom, practice, effort and understanding but Paul said the righteous shall live by faith. Our lives are to be lives of faith, divine lives, lives empowered and supported by a mighty God, but you don't see it much, People don't expect it and they don't know how to believe in it anymore... they don't know how. They find every reason they can to dismiss the promises of God, all these reasons why prayers may not be answered, that his promises won't actually happen.

It is very sad. Who believes in Prophets anymore? If someone were to tell you "I am a Prophet" your inclined to think hes a nut..

We need Prophets and the power of God back in the church, back in our lives. It's like the old christmas movie with the child with the bell... the bell would ring as long as he believed but the child grew old and the bell stopped ringing becuase he no longer believed. I believe we have stopped believing in much of the bible.

I remember one man say not to kid yourself, you only beleive in those parts of the bible that you actually live.

briareos · Apr 30, 2011

Luis67 said:
Awesome response, I have heard from prophets and it's usually a repetition of what is written already, or that God's judgement is coming like if it has not been here with the Holy Spirit. Or that we need to repent and stop sinning, like if no man has the holy spirit with it's constant unctions. I am not knocking off prophets I'm just still waiting for a prophet who will tell me something I have not heard before and that's not including the ones who speak about material blessings. You should sit under a prophet who all he does is cry about the abominations and wickedness of this generation, not only does it become depressing but I was not growing. I want to learn about doing good, I already know disobedience was not the answer, let them teach us to continue to do good and what is acceptable before him. I am beginning to believe a prophet is meant for the wicked generation not the righteous. For we are not saved by hearing of the Law but of the Faith of Christ. And so we learn by the Faith of Christ.

Luis,

I do not have a great deal of time to invest in my responses today but I will say that the bible specificly states that their will be prophecy in the last days, it is absolutely relevant needed and Godly. Now expecting such prophecy to be real, relevant and reasonable... is obvious, the truth that is prophecy is real and for today is also obvious. I am sorry you have had such bad experiences.

wayfaring man · Apr 30, 2011

Yea, that verse/principle often comes to mind, as one who observes the world in which we reside.

Often it helps to break a verse down and then build it back up, to better know what we're dealing with...

Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keeps the law, happy is he. <-----> Proverbs 29:18

vision -

H2377
חזון
châzôn
khaw-zone'
From H2372; a sight (mentally), that is, a dream, revelation, or oracle: - vision.

people -

H5971
עם
‛am
am
From H6004; a people (as a congregated unit); specifically a tribe (as those of Israel); hence (collectively) troops or attendants; figuratively a flock: - folk, men, nation, people.

perish -

H6544
פּרע
pâra‛
paw-rah'
A primitive root; to loosen; by implication to expose, dismiss; figuratively absolve, begin: - avenge, avoid, bare, go back, let, (make) naked, set at nought, perish, refuse, uncover.

keeps -

H8104
שׁמר
shâmar
shaw-mar'
A primitive root; properly to hedge about (as with thorns), that is, guard; generally to protect, attend to, etc.: - beware, be circumspect, take heed (to self), keep (-er, self), mark, look narrowly, observe, preserve, regard, reserve, save (self), sure, (that lay) wait (for), watch (-man).

law -

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

happy -

H835
אשׁר
'esher
eh'-sher
From H833; happiness; only in masculine plural construction as interjection, how happy!: - blessed, happy.

Now restated based on definitions + word selection out of the original language -

"Where there is no revelation congregations perish but the individual who takes heed to God's law is blessed."

Still like the KJV better....but it helps to try and express the same "thought" using different words so as to gain a fuller understanding.

Additionally, if one can find "companion/related verses", they also tend to explain/expound the matter.

A few found at a glance are -

And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.
And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.
And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.
And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play. <-----> Exodus 32:1-6

...The pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered. <-----> Jeremiah 10:21

And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered. <-----> Ezekiel 34:5

But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.
Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the laborers are few;
Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth laborers into his harvest. <-----> Matthew 9:36-38

There be many that say, Who will shew us any good? LORD, lift thou up the light of thy countenance upon us. <-----> Psalm 4:6

Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes. <-----> Deuteronomy 12:8

Blessed is the man whom thou chastens, O LORD, and teaches him out of thy law; <-----> Psalm 94:12

Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law. <-----> Psalm 119:18

Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart. <-----> Psalm 119:34

Man that is in honor, and understands not, is like the beasts that perish. <-----> Psalm 49:20

Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? <-----> 1st Corinthians 14:6

May The Lord Be Pleased !

wm

briareos · Apr 30, 2011

GaryLee

Jesus said, It is "Finished". So why do we need prophets, He has made us complete.

Well that simply isn't what he meant becuase prophecy continued with the apostles and with the early church and biblical continues throughout the end times.

The problem with prophecy is that it attracts all the fortune tellers, Psychics and
new agers. And Creation believes any thing that it is told or sold, everything.

Well the bible talks about Prophecy being a Godly and needed thing that edifies the church as well. 1 Cor 14 for instance.

briareos · Apr 30, 2011

Terene

I agree with you that the world needs the power of God and the prophets seeing the state of the unbelief and hardness of heart, but I also believe that God has provided for everything that is necessary for salvation of each and every soul.

I do too, but the need for prophecy remains.

I am not completely sure as to the will of God in using prophets and miracles to save souls in this world, but I believe that as children of God, we should not be relying on prophets and miracles to keep us in the faith.

Well that is not our only goal, mission, task... to stay saved and there is more involved with saving people than what saves them, you have to reach those people also, you have to survive your own struggles, you have to lead congregations in the way the Lord desires them to move and saving the lost is not our only task. As prophecy was needed in the early church and said to be in the end times, the need for it is still real and not at all deminished.

Rather, we ought to simply believe what the Lord has spoken regarding His plan of Salvation in the Scriptures and put our trust in His providences. I do admit that prophetic visions and miracles can be eye catching and can prove useful in strengthening our faith, but I do think that the Lord has revealed to us what we need to know in Jesus Christ, so we ought to be seeking to know Him rather than miracles and prophetic visions.

Well the bible confirms the role of prophecy so it's usefulness cannot be deminished. It has different purposes, such as where we should be going, what we should be doing, what God thinks about this situation, etc. Should our ministry invest in the TV ministry or the feed the homeless ministry? The bible wouldn't be very specific on that decision, prophecy would.

Also, we must indeed be careful with regards to prophetic visions and miracles, and to test if their origin is from God.

Absolutely.

I'm not saying that we should despise them, but that we should carefully examine them so that we hold on only to those from God.

Yes.

Even those dreams that I had and shared with you, I am still waiting to see if what I have been shown is truly from God, though I do believe that it is from God (but I might have been wrong in my understanding of those dreams and maybe even of its origin). I keep an open heart to these matters, neither rejecting them entirely as though they surely don't come from God, but I also don't rely on them too much to the point of becoming deceived.

Good! I hope you find your answer soon.

I say we must be careful, brother, because the devil can use deceiving miracles and "prophetic" revelations to lead us astray and distract us from the will of God.

I agree, I would also say be careful that you do not disregard Godly calling and gifts and purpose in a effort to be cautious. The Godliness of Prophecy is sure, though as with everything it needs to be of God.

Our focus should be on the Lord, knowing and loving Him and actively walking in obedience to His commands, just like what sister Emmy has pointed out.

Well there is no reason that prophecy contradicts any of this. It is simply a gift and method that he gave the church, it isn't a potentially evil tool to be used with caution, it's from God and people need to remember that. That prophecy is not that, is simply untrue.

This is what we must do, and God will surely lead us in the right path. Let us walk according to His Spirit and love, and wait eagerly in hope for our day of redemption as it draws near.

I agree!

briareos · Apr 30, 2011

wayfaring man said:
Yea, that verse/principle often comes to mind, as one who observes the world in which we reside.

Often it helps to break a verse down and then build it back up, to better know what we're dealing with...

Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keeps the law, happy is he. <-----> Proverbs 29:18

vision -

H2377
חזון
châzôn
khaw-zone'
From H2372; a sight (mentally), that is, a dream, revelation, or oracle: - vision.

people -

H5971
עם
‛am
am
From H6004; a people (as a congregated unit); specifically a tribe (as those of Israel); hence (collectively) troops or attendants; figuratively a flock: - folk, men, nation, people.

perish -

H6544
פּרע
pâra‛
paw-rah'
A primitive root; to loosen; by implication to expose, dismiss; figuratively absolve, begin: - avenge, avoid, bare, go back, let, (make) naked, set at nought, perish, refuse, uncover.

keeps -

H8104
שׁמר
shâmar
shaw-mar'
A primitive root; properly to hedge about (as with thorns), that is, guard; generally to protect, attend to, etc.: - beware, be circumspect, take heed (to self), keep (-er, self), mark, look narrowly, observe, preserve, regard, reserve, save (self), sure, (that lay) wait (for), watch (-man).

law -

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

happy -

H835
אשׁר
'esher
eh'-sher
From H833; happiness; only in masculine plural construction as interjection, how happy!: - blessed, happy.

Now restated based on definitions + word selection out of the original language -

"Where there is no revelation congregations perish but the individual who takes heed to God's law is blessed."

Still like the KJV better....but it helps to try and express the same "thought" using different words so as to gain a fuller understanding.

Additionally, if one can find "companion/related verses", they also tend to explain/expound the matter.

A few found at a glance are -

And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.
And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.
And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.
And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play. <-----> Exodus 32:1-6

...The pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered. <-----> Jeremiah 10:21

And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered. <-----> Ezekiel 34:5

But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.
Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the laborers are few;
Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth laborers into his harvest. <-----> Matthew 9:36-38

There be many that say, Who will shew us any good? LORD, lift thou up the light of thy countenance upon us. <-----> Psalm 4:6

Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes. <-----> Deuteronomy 12:8

Blessed is the man whom thou chastens, O LORD, and teaches him out of thy law; <-----> Psalm 94:12

Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law. <-----> Psalm 119:18

Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart. <-----> Psalm 119:34

Man that is in honor, and understands not, is like the beasts that perish. <-----> Psalm 49:20

Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? <-----> 1st Corinthians 14:6

May The Lord Be Pleased !

wm

I like the ESV better myself, highly accurate and very readible.

briareos · Apr 30, 2011

GaryLee said:
Judgment day is May 21st 2011, So saith a Prophet.

...strawman...strawman...strawman....

Luis67 · Apr 30, 2011

briareos said:
Luis,

I do not have a great deal of time to invest in my responses today but I will say that the bible specificly states that their will be prophecy in the last days, it is absolutely relevant needed and Godly. Now expecting such prophecy to be real, relevant and reasonable... is obvious, the truth that is prophecy is real and for today is also obvious. I am sorry you have had such bad experiences.

Oh, I don't disregard prophets and of course there is prophecy we have an entire book of revelations from the Prophet, Disciple John. That no one seems to be able to decipher fully no matter how hard they try. So I leave room for all things, like the gifts of the Holy Spirit......but I don't know seems like everything just leads to just faith in Christ for me. I'm still waiting to hear from God about my gift and it's been quite a while now. Coming from being an atheist, I can tell you that my conversion was a miracle, and my breath everyday knowing death could come like a thief in the night is a miracle for me.

Like I said, there is this prophet now and he claims America is heading for destruction and we all need to get up and move to Greece, or another place. Because God's judgement is coming on America. There is some truth to that but some of us cannot leave America because of IRS situations or child supports or even criminal backgrounds or debt in general. And I mean doing this and keeping in harmony with God's will of obedience towards good is kind of an oxymoron.

So, yeah he could be right, he could be wrong but if that's prophecy these days with him quoting the bible and FOX news, I'll take my chances with the Lord Jesus. Besides if chaos is coming and I'm doing what I am supposed to be doing, what does it matter anyway it's God's war not ours. Everybody loves to run instead of standing and holding ground.

One more thing prophecy has been revealed and we know what the world looks like and how it comes to pass, I do believe what God has taught me is not to prevent prophecy like Peter tried to prevent the Lord. But rather continue being the light and working together with the brothers and sisters for the edification of ourselves. Like for instance we have false teachers, the bible said we would(prophecy), so some believers go on this overloaded movement to call them out and make a huge scene, instead of doing the opposite of continuing to exhort and teach the correct wholesome doctrine of our Lord Jesus Christ, with awareness of such false leaven which we have been forewarned that the scripture be fulfilled. And God not be made a liar. I wouldn't be surprised if people try to stop the Antichrist from entering the scene. I could go on but I rest my case......

wayfaring man · Apr 30, 2011

briareos said:
I like the ESV better myself, highly accurate and very readible.

But is the "ESV" linked to the "original languages", of Scripture, like the "KJV" is through Strong's Exhaustive Concordance with Greek and Hebrew Dictionaries ?

wm

wayfaring man · Apr 30, 2011

GaryLee said:
Jesus said, It is "Finished". So why do we need prophets, He has made us complete.
The problem with prophecy is that it attracts all the fortune tellers, Psychics and
new agers. And Creation believes any thing that it is told or sold, everything.

When Jesus said, "It is finished", on the cross, He was referring to His earthly ministry, and The Calling of God for Him to "lay down His life for the sins of the world".

One of the main reason why most of our "modern day" form of "organized religion/Christianity", tends to avoid recognizing the office of a prophet, is because prophets tend to be "revolutionary" in nature, when in close contact with the "status quo". And prophets tend to speak out against, what many in "power" would prefer be kept "secret", acting with an authority which often supersedes that of "Church officials", or holders of political office.

Also the fact that there are many "false prophets", does not eliminate the role and value of the true, any more than does the fact that there are many "false brethren", and neither do they remove our need to believe truly/and share our belief with others who also have/can receive the gift of faith.

Additionally, apparently one needn't be a "prophet" per se to prophesy.

For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. <-----> 1st Corinthians 14:31

Yet, the bulk of prophecy appears to be given to/through those having the gift/calling of a prophet.

America is currently "falling", largely because much of it's people/government is intoxicated with foolish pride, and thereby largely dismisses the Word of God and it's warnings about things like "abortion", "sodomy" and "excessive meddling with warfare which is carnal in nature", along with internal corruption, where corporate greed has far more influence in "policy making" than is right/fit.

Taking together, this nation is losing strength, credibility, honor, and it's role as representing "one nation under God"...

And unless we wake up and, humbly return to The Lord as a nation, we go the way of past civilizations who rose up, only to slide back down.

As it stands we have a but "handful of years", before "The Beast of Revelation" emerges. If vision received is understood correctly that number is 26. Placing the dawn of the end times great tribulation (for us who believe God's Word), to begin in or around the year 2037/2038.

And what is typically referred to as "the rapture", takes place at the end of that 3.5 years of "great tribulation".

But for us who learn to "keep the word of The Lord's patience", there will be "a place of refuge", available to us during that time.

The reason why many of us need to go through that "fire", is because it is a matter of being purified, so that, we can meet The Lord, without any lingering "spot or blemish".

Now, some will claim, their "spots and blemishes", are "covered by Christ's blood"...but this is only true if we've allowed the things which cause such, to become a thing of the past...for Jesus' blood was shed for the sins of the entire world...yet only those of us who believe unto being "remade" in His likeness, will benefit eternally. Yea, the fact that Jesus suffered and died for us will actually turn to our condemnation if we fail to effectually "lay to heart", and get in line with "God's good and perfect will".

May The Lord's Will Be Done !

wm

Luis67 · Apr 30, 2011

wayfaring man As it stands we have a but "handful of years" said:
It looks like the dates are being pushed further back, I also like the whole"for us who believe God's word." It's always comforting to hear Christ tell us, "if you were blind you would have no sin, but because you say you see, your sin remains."

wayfaring man · Apr 30, 2011

Luis67 said:
It looks like the dates are being pushed further back, I also like the whole"for us who believe God's word." It's always comforting to hear Christ tell us, "if you were blind you would have no sin, but because you say you see, your sin remains."

Sounds like a sarcastic spirit has gotten the better of you.

Pray The Lord leads you to freedom.

wm

April1980 · May 1, 2011

Hi Briareos,

Tried to send you a PM, but it wouldn't let me since I don't have 15 posts. So I'll just have to send you a message here. I'll address your post first, and then I'll ask my question that I have for you. I'm Lee52's youngest daughter who recently came to Christ in Sept. 2010. I am profoundly hearing impaired and yet I hear the Lord speak to me often. My parents and I laugh because that is so "God"!!! In the Bible he always picked the people that you would least expect him to pick. I agree with you 110%, we need to listen to God outside of the Bible, because he does speak to us. I was in Church one Sunday and there was a woman who is stuggling with coming to the Lord and struggling with addiction and she was very emotionally distraught. She was with another woman (a member of our Church and a strong Christian) and God told me that I needed to go and stand with them, because the member of our Church was not strong enough to do this on her own, so I did. Later my Pastor asked me what made me go over to these two women, and so I told him. The member of our Church emailed me later that evening thanking me and telling me that she really was not strong enough. Sometimes I think when we hear God speaking to us, we don't realize that it is him. Sometimes we think it is just our own voice and we don't follow it because we feel weird doing so. Sometimes we have to have the strength to step out of the confines of our own comfortability to actually be able to hear God speak to us.

My second question for you is this, I would like to send letters and care packages to troops in Afghanistan and/or Iraq that may not have family or that may need some extra encouragement and to know that what they are doing overseas is not lost to those back home. I was wondering if you knew of any programs or if you knew of anyone specific that may need that. I'm not sure if you can PM me with that information or not, if not, maybe my Dad could PM you my email address and you could send the information to me that way.

Terene · May 1, 2011

April1980 said:
Hi Briareos,

Tried to send you a PM, but it wouldn't let me since I don't have 15 posts. So I'll just have to send you a message here. I'll address your post first, and then I'll ask my question that I have for you. I'm Lee52's youngest daughter who recently came to Christ in Sept. 2010. I am profoundly hearing impaired and yet I hear the Lord speak to me often. My parents and I laugh because that is so "God"!!! In the Bible he always picked the people that you would least expect him to pick. I agree with you 110%, we need to listen to God outside of the Bible, because he does speak to us. I was in Church one Sunday and there was a woman who is stuggling with coming to the Lord and struggling with addiction and she was very emotionally distraught. She was with another woman (a member of our Church and a strong Christian) and God told me that I needed to go and stand with them, because the member of our Church was not strong enough to do this on her own, so I did. Later my Pastor asked me what made me go over to these two women, and so I told him. The member of our Church emailed me later that evening thanking me and telling me that she really was not strong enough. Sometimes I think when we hear God speaking to us, we don't realize that it is him. Sometimes we think it is just our own voice and we don't follow it because we feel weird doing so. Sometimes we have to have the strength to step out of the confines of our own comfortability to actually be able to hear God speak to us.

My second question for you is this, I would like to send letters and care packages to troops in Afghanistan and/or Iraq that may not have family or that may need some extra encouragement and to know that what they are doing overseas is not lost to those back home. I was wondering if you knew of any programs or if you knew of anyone specific that may need that. I'm not sure if you can PM me with that information or not, if not, maybe my Dad could PM you my email address and you could send the information to me that way.

Praise the Lord sister, and yes I do believe in hearing His Voice as well, but it often seems difficult for me to distinguish His Voice with other voices from the enemy. Now I don't try that much to distinguish but I simply trust in the Lord to guide me, and I know He will if my heart truly seeks to yield to Him.

Though I am curious, how do you describe when the Lord speaks to you? Is it an audible voice, or simply a thought in your heart/mind? It is good that we share so we know if we are hearing from the right source.

May God our Lord bless you and all the brethren in Christ!

briareos · May 1, 2011

Luis67 said:
Oh, I don't disregard prophets and of course there is prophecy we have an entire book of revelations from the Prophet, Disciple John. That no one seems to be able to decipher fully no matter how hard they try. So I leave room for all things, like the gifts of the Holy Spirit......but I don't know seems like everything just leads to just faith in Christ for me. I'm still waiting to hear from God about my gift and it's been quite a while now. Coming from being an atheist, I can tell you that my conversion was a miracle, and my breath everyday knowing death could come like a thief in the night is a miracle for me.

Like I said, there is this prophet now and he claims America is heading for destruction and we all need to get up and move to Greece, or another place. Because God's judgement is coming on America. There is some truth to that but some of us cannot leave America because of IRS situations or child supports or even criminal backgrounds or debt in general. And I mean doing this and keeping in harmony with God's will of obedience towards good is kind of an oxymoron.

So, yeah he could be right, he could be wrong but if that's prophecy these days with him quoting the bible and FOX news, I'll take my chances with the Lord Jesus. Besides if chaos is coming and I'm doing what I am supposed to be doing, what does it matter anyway it's God's war not ours. Everybody loves to run instead of standing and holding ground.

One more thing prophecy has been revealed and we know what the world looks like and how it comes to pass, I do believe what God has taught me is not to prevent prophecy like Peter tried to prevent the Lord. But rather continue being the light and working together with the brothers and sisters for the edification of ourselves. Like for instance we have false teachers, the bible said we would(prophecy), so some believers go on this overloaded movement to call them out and make a huge scene, instead of doing the opposite of continuing to exhort and teach the correct wholesome doctrine of our Lord Jesus Christ, with awareness of such false leaven which we have been forewarned that the scripture be fulfilled. And God not be made a liar. I wouldn't be surprised if people try to stop the Antichrist from entering the scene. I could go on but I rest my case......

Well I think it goes without being said that some people who call themselves prophets are very wrong. Valid prophecy, is very needed in the church today.

briareos · May 1, 2011

wayfaring man said:
But is the "ESV" linked to the "original languages", of Scripture, like the "KJV" is through Strong's Exhaustive Concordance with Greek and Hebrew Dictionaries ?

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If you are interested in how accurate the ESV is, that information is available online. As is the lack of accuracy contained in the KJV. If you want to discuss that with me personally send me a PM, don't post it here.

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