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i like that one, as a home schooler our selves we have hear it all :thumbsup:

Just from the structure of your sentence I would hate to be your kid. Just the last part: "we have hear it all" says it all. Also, "a home shooler" is not only one word but also it is singular. You then use the pronoun "our selves", again, it should be one word and it should match "a homeschooler". You've made so many mistakes just in one sentence that I fear your children will be as uneducated as you are. Education is not a bad thing and if you aren't capable of teaching your children yourself you should leave it to the professionals.
 
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There's a lot of people who have little time for forums, so they don't pay huge attention to their grammar. Regardless, there are things much more important than grammar at stake for our children.

I'm sure that everyone will greatly appreciate you pointing out errors. The so-called professionals in public schools have sad results, so homeschooled children typically outperform their counterparts in public schools. Homeschooled children don't have to endure forced indoctrination programs like "homosexuality is wonderful". There are many other examples that make public schools intolerable for Christians.

Paying special attention to my spelling and grammar wasn't the most important thing I did today. In fact, it would come in about last.

Proverbs 22:6 KJV Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
 
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There's a lot of people who have little time for forums, so they don't pay huge attention to their grammar. Regardless, there are things much more important than grammar at stake for our children.

I'm sure that everyone will greatly appreciate you pointing out errors. The so-called professionals in public schools have sad results, so homeschooled children typically outperform their counterparts in public schools. Homeschooled children don't have to endure forced indoctrination programs like "homosexuality is wonderful". There are many other examples that make public schools intolerable for Christians.

Paying special attention to my spelling and grammar wasn't the most important thing I did today. In fact, it would come in about last.

Proverbs 22:6 KJV Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
Just to defend schoolteachers for a second. They don't even have the time to invest in a child to get them to the same level as the homeschooled ones. Agree with everything else though. Also wanted to say, count yourself lucky you can homeschool your kids, we in The Netherlands can't.
 
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Just to defend schoolteachers for a second. They don't even have the time to invest in a child to get them to the same level as the homeschooled ones. Agree with everything else though. Also wanted to say, count yourself lucky you can homeschool your kids, we in The Netherlands can't.

I give thanks for every freedom we have, and we are determined to preserve them. You're right, homeschooled children have a big advantage in the amount of individual time spent with them.
 
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As a Christian Momma with two in public school I have to say with all honesty I am no way qualified to Home school. Sure, in lower level classes I can help, but there will soon be a time when I will be unable to teach them what they need to know to excel in their academics. So, I am a warrior when it comes to teaching and re-enforcing the ideas of Christ in our home to be taken with my sons into the schools. Also, I believe there are people out there who are qualified and able to Home school and I say more power to you! Way to go! I just do not believe this is one of those black and white subjects for Christians.
 
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There's a lot of people who have little time for forums, so they don't pay huge attention to their grammar. Regardless, there are things much more important than grammar at stake for our children.

I'm sure that everyone will greatly appreciate you pointing out errors. The so-called professionals in public schools have sad results, so homeschooled children typically outperform their counterparts in public schools. Homeschooled children don't have to endure forced indoctrination programs like "homosexuality is wonderful". There are many other examples that make public schools intolerable for Christians.

Paying special attention to my spelling and grammar wasn't the most important thing I did today. In fact, it would come in about last.

Proverbs 22:6 KJV Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

You know what they call people who do devote a great deal of effort to grammar and other points of academia that most normal people would not? Teachers.

I could give crash-courses on history, and a variety of other subjects, to children, but I am in no way qualified to be a teacher.
 
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Just from the structure of your sentence I would hate to be your kid. Just the last part: "we have hear it all" says it all. Also, "a home shooler" is not only one word but also it is singular. You then use the pronoun "our selves", again, it should be one word and it should match "a homeschooler". You've made so many mistakes just in one sentence that I fear your children will be as uneducated as you are. Education is not a bad thing and if you aren't capable of teaching your children yourself you should leave it to the professionals.

IF YOUR INCAPIBLE;GIVE UP TEACHING

EINSTEIN HAD 2 CHECKING ACCOUNTS TAKEN AWAY FROM HIM; BECAUSE HE DIDNT KEEP THEM BALANCED;
THIS WAS DO TO POOR MATH SKILLS----?

OBVISIOUSLY ; EINSTEIN SHOUL;D HAVE LEFT MATH UP TO THE PROFESSIONALS ; -------LOL
 
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You know what they call people who do devote a great deal of effort to grammar and other points of academia that most normal people would not? Teachers.

I could give crash-courses on history, and a variety of other subjects, to children, but I am in no way qualified to be a teacher.

Neither are some of the teachers. It does take some work on the parent's part and the proper materials. Whether you want to put out that much effort for your children depends largely on what you have to put up with in your local schools. Each individual parent may also have a different level of tolerance. If you don't care what the public schools do with your children, the price later just might be distasteful. Ultimately, the responsibility belongs to you, and your child will suffer the consequences of any poor decision. So, I would think that the very least would be to be informed and know about alternatives.
 
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Neither are some of the teachers. It does take some work on the parent's part and the proper materials. Whether you want to put out that much effort for your children depends largely on what you have to put up with in your local schools. Each individual parent may also have a different level of tolerance. If you don't care what the public schools do with your children, the price later just might be distasteful. Ultimately, the responsibility belongs to you, and your child will suffer the consequences of any poor decision. So, I would think that the very least would be to be informed and know about alternatives.


The fact of the matter is that there are definitely some parents that may be better teachers than most teachers. However, at most public schools students will have learned from at least 15 teachers by the time they graduate. Each of whom will have brought a different set of opinions to the table.

It is up to the child to decide which are right and which are wrong. Over their lives, children are going to be faced with decisions, and one of the greatest skills that one can have is the ability to discern between good and bad on their own.

They might choose differently from their parents. Scary I know, but that's part of growing up; becoming your own person based on your own personal beliefs of who you are, not what anyone tells you you should be.

And yes, kids at public school do drugs, they drink, they have sex, they drive too fast and they talk disrespectfully to the opposite sex.

And yes, if your child is not in a public school, they will be shielded from most of these things.. and they may very well grow up to be lonely adults who have a hard time keeping stable relationships because of the 12 years of unbridled socialization that they've missed.
 
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And yes, if your child is not in a public school, they will be shielded from most of these things.. and they may very well grow up to be lonely adults who have a hard time keeping stable relationships because of the 12 years of unbridled socialization that they've missed.
Just because someone's home schooled,doesn't mean they haven't had socialization.I went to public schools and lacked solialization,because my caregivers lacked socialization.I'm glad I went to public school because my caregivers didn't care for any of the kids,but I'm sure most parent's care,try to do the best for their children,They make sure there kids are well solialized and smart.
 
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Homeschooling and public schooling each present their own challenges. I assume that we're all honest enough to acknowledge that. My preference would be for public or institutional private schooling, because I believe that it is important for children to be exposed to a wide variety of teachers with a variety of strengths and weaknesses and also because my wife and I simply don't have the time to devote to homeschooling. However, I realize, in sending my kids to public school, that my wife and I will have to make a deliberate effort to teach morals, values, manners, theology, and the like at home as the schools are not going to do this for us. I also acknowledge that our kids may need attention that they will not be able to get from their teachers. As a parent, we can provide that one on one attention during non-school hours.

OTOH, I have known people who have homeschooled, and the kids turned out just fine. Socialization is an issue for homeschooled children, but in this day and age, I understand that there are tons of support groups, as well as extracurricular activities that allow kids to have valuable socialization experiences, while being homeschooled.

So, my opinion is that it really does come down to person choice. There are pros and cons to each, and there are some people who are just not able to succeed in one or the other. I have some friends who homeschooled their older child to graduation, but their younger child did not thrive in a homeschool setting. He is in public school now and doing much better than he was in homsechool. The older son did just fine in homeschool, and well socialized and is now a competent young adult.
 
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Janitrol said:
The fact of the matter is that there are definitely some parents that may be better teachers than most teachers. However, at most public schools students will have learned from at least 15 teachers by the time they graduate. Each of whom will have brought a different set of opinions to the table.It is up to the child to decide which are right and which are wrong. Over their lives, children are going to be faced with decisions, and one of the greatest skills that one can have is the ability to discern between good and bad on their own.

And homeschooled children don't hear different opinions?

They might choose differently from their parents. Scary I know, but that's part of growing up; becoming your own person based on your own personal beliefs of who you are, not what anyone tells you you should be.

You mean like government schools, that constantly tell children that they're homophobic if they disagree with homosexuality?

And yes, kids at public school do drugs, they drink, they have sex, they drive too fast and they talk disrespectfully to the opposite sex.

And yes, if your child is not in a public school, they will be shielded from most of these things.. and they may very well grow up to be lonely adults who have a hard time keeping stable relationships because of the 12 years of unbridled socialization that they've missed.

Why do you believe homeschooled children don't encounter these things outside of government schools? Why do you assume that a government school is the only place children receive socialization?

Why don't they receive "unbridled" socialization in any of the other activities they're involved with? Why don't they receive "unbridled socialization" from their homeschooling peers?

In a government school classroom, children are with other children their own age and most likely of their own socio-economic background. Part of socialization is learning to deal with people who are different than you are.

I guess things must have really changed since I was in school and taught in government schools because, back then, children were not allowed to socialize during class. They would frequently get detention for doing so.

And what's more, socialization most certainly isn't exposing your children to bad behavior in the hopes that it will make them able to resist bad behavior.

You know what they call people who do devote a great deal of effort to grammar and other points of academia that most normal people would not? Teachers.

I could give crash-courses on history, and a variety of other subjects, to children, but I am in no way qualified to be a teacher.

Honestly? You give teachers way too much credit.

All somebody has to do to be "qualified" to teach is to pass two tests and they're really not all that hard. I still have my Praxis II prep book and very little of what's in the book relates to anything that actually went on in any of my classes.

When somebody goes to school to get an education degree, they learn things like Bloom's Taxonomy, Bronfrenbrenners Ecosystem, Maslow's Hierarchy, classroom management, etc. Heck, in one class, I spent half a semester just learning to create a rubric.

They actually learn very little about the subject or how to teach it.

Let's be honest. If government school teachers were as great as you say, then our government schools wouldn't be in such sorry shape.

Teaching isn't hard. Being a teacher is hard because of all of the things required of you but teaching, itself, isn't hard at all.

Public school is far less about true education than it is social development. Children need to learn how to interact with peers outside of their home/church, someday they will be all alone in the real world.

Again, why is interacting with peers in a government school better than interacting with peers in the real world?

What are my kids going to get in a government school that they're not getting in church, with our homeschool group, in 4-H, in their various sports teams, in Scouting, in volunteering, at work, etc?

I guess that's the big difference between us. You say that children will be in the "real world" someday. We say that our children are already in the real world and are already participating in it.

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As a Christian Momma with two in public school I have to say with all honesty I am no way qualified to Home school.

Why not? You taught them how to dress themselves. You taught them how to tie their shoes. You taught them their ABC. You taught them colors. Why aren't you qualified?

Sure, in lower level classes I can help, but there will soon be a time when I will be unable to teach them what they need to know to excel in their academics.

But why couldn't you use any of the many resources available to homeschoolers?

Also, I believe there are people out there who are qualified and able to Home school and I say more power to you!

Whether you believe it or not, you're one of them.

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Just from the structure of your sentence I would hate to be your kid.

Was that really necessary?

Also, "a home shooler" is not only one word but also it is singular.

Actually, it can be one word, two words, or hyphenated. All are correct.

You've made so many mistakes just in one sentence that I fear your children will be as uneducated as you are. Education is not a bad thing and if you aren't capable of teaching your children yourself you should leave it to the professionals.

So who teaches your children manners?

Oh, and by the way, there are several grammatical errors in your post. You might want to take care of those before you so rudely attack somebody else for their grammatical errors.
 
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If you can't read your own post and find the cavernous gaps in logic, then I'm not going to type a novel to point them out.

In other words, you can't answer the very simple questions I asked you.

How is it "a gap in logic" to ask why you believe homeschooled children don't hear a variety of opinions?

How is it "a gap in logic" to ask why you believe that the only way homeschooled children can receive socialization is in a govenment school classroom?
 
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The arguments against homeschooling are no longer important when the government starts forced indoctrination programs (politically, idealogical, sexual). If I have anything to say about it, my grandchildren will never attend indoctrinations of this type. There may come a time when Christian parents simply have to say NO and take their children out of public schools. One should not be so naive as to think that totally intolerable things will never come to your school system. So, parents should be paying close attention to what's happening in the public schools near them. Whatever you do, don't just mark this off as "not my problem". If you're the type of parent who will tolerate just about anything, I feel sorry for your kids.

Proverbs 22:6 KJV Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Where does the buck stop and who has the ultimate responsibility? YOU - the parent.

Excellent post worth repeating.
 
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I see no problem in home schooling up to 6th or 7th grade. After that you are most likely going to severely handicap your child.

How so? And if this is true, then why did the dean of admissions at the University of Delaware, who happens to be a neighbor of mine, tell us that colleges will routinely move applications by home schooled students to the top of the stack?
 
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How so? And if this is true, then why did the dean of admissions at the University of Delaware, who happens to be a neighbor of mine, tell us that colleges will routinely move applications by home schooled students to the top of the stack?

I'm not sure why they would do that. I don't think most parents are qualified to teach the many AP or IB classes that selective colleges require. Do you really think you can teach Advanced Calculus or have the Equipment and Knowledge needed for AP Chemistry or IB Physics. Could you teach Spanish or Music Theory? I am sorry but I don't think anyone is qualified enough to teach 24 different advanced high school subjects. If you want your child's math education to stop at geometry and basic algebra while also receiving very minimal knowledge of the sciences and limiting their course options, then home schooling in high school is the way to go.
 
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I'm not sure why they would do that.

The answer my neighbor gave us is that (a) they outperform their government school counterparts, (b) they're better able to withstand the pressures of college, and (c) they come to study and not to party.

I don't think most parents are qualified to teach the many AP or IB classes that selective colleges require. Do you really think you can teach Advanced Calculus or have the Equipment and Knowledge needed for AP Chemistry or IB Physics.

Nope. But my dad can. And if he couldn't, then there are plenty of other resources.

Could you teach Spanish or Music Theory?

Yes. I was a professional musician for a little over twenty years. My mother and grandmother, both of whom have homes on our farm, were music teachers for years. And, again, even if we weren't, there are plenty of other resources. We happen to have an outstanding music academy in our town.

As for Spanish, yes, I'm proficient in Spanish. I had to be when I lived in Texas.

I am sorry but I don't think anyone is qualified enough to teach 24 different advanced high school subjects.

And you really think that homeschoolers operate in such a vaccum?

If you want your child's math education to stop at geometry and basic algebra while also receiving very minimal knowledge of the sciences and limiting their course options, then home schooling in high school is the way to go.

It's also the way to go if you don't want your child's math education to stop there.
 
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