if that's supposed to be "profound" -- it isn't
but I'm just happy i am going to Heaven ..
The Word of God says that the just are barely saved...
i know i am barely saved if i do everything God wants...
but barely saved is still saved...
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if that's supposed to be "profound" -- it isn't
but I'm just happy i am going to Heaven ..
The Word of God says that the just are barely saved...
i know i am barely saved if i do everything God wants...
but barely saved is still saved...
## That doesn't apply to private reading - it applies to using the Bible in a way which implies or requires that the CC's teaching is wrong. And even then, no problem arises if people are prepared to be argued out of their conclusions. This applies as much to the expert scholar who is well-acquainted with the books, as to the "average Catholic in the pew".
There is so much in the Bible, & so much room for free discussion of it, that there is far less room for collision between the reader's ideas, & the Church's teachings than might be expected. The collisions that do take place are usually between understandings of certain familiar texts - Matthew 16:13-18; Hebrews 7.25; Revelation 17:5; & various others. This leaves most of the Bible unargued-over.
What is alien to Catholicism, is the notion of private judgement. Where there is a notion of false doctrine - as there is in the OT, & much more, in the NT, private judgement does not have much place. To judge by its name, PJ is a recipe for chaos; & none of the "magisterial" forms of Protestantism - Anglicanism, Calvinism, Lutheranism - have had much time for it. It's nice as a war-cry against the tyranny of the Papal Beast
speaking of beasts in church
(that mental image makes me laugh...)did you know that nonCatholic churches have TWICE the rate of pedophelia that the Catholic Church has??
just don't hear about it cuz the media DESPISES the Catholic Church... just like a lot of posters here do... guess that's human nature... to hate what you don't want to conform your life to cuz you want to be free to destroy yourself
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oh please!!!
that's like saying that if parents allow their children to marry at the age of 12, we wouldn't have... well, we wouldn't have 45 yr old women attempting to have children... We probably wouldn't have child molestation either... (hmmm...)
I guess you don't know about the statistics on child molestation?
how most child molesters are MARRIED... how most child molesters touch? how most child molesters are into inappropriate content?
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No, I haven't noticed because I don't believe in the devil. When you believe in something you're giving it power over you. No one and nothing lives in my head for free; energy and power flows where attention goes, and worries are prayers for that which a person doesn't want to happen. So... therefore... if you're going to sit there and worry about the devil "being in everything" guess what... he will be. He'll be living in your head, and he won't be paying one red cent in rent, because you invited him in there and deadbolted the doors to keep him in. But he won't be for those of us who refuse to either acknowledge him or give him any sort of power.
See, I strive to think positively with a heavy dose of realism, instead of moving through this life in a constant state of fear and paranoia. When negative thoughts try to get into my head, I deflect them like bugs on a windshield. You might want to try it sometime. Most of the drama in a given situation is self-created; a person who is at ease with the world around them will sit back, practice 360 degree awareness, and take things as they come, neither creating drama nor getting caught up in someone else's drama.
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I had to delete most of your post in order to quote you.
I don't do sarcasm. I never have. My sense of humour is more child like, if that makes sense. I believe that I can learn from many people and try not to close my mind to people who may know better than I do. It would be idiotic of me to assume that I know best or that my way is the only way. You come at a subject from a certain point of view, that to me is worth considering and trying to understand that point of view.
I took classes with a Sister when I became a catholic, not sure if that is the classes you mean or not, But I will certainly look into that. My local catholic church also has a bible class where we sit and read the bible and discuss it. I know that some on here are saying that catholics are told not to read the bible unsupervised, But I know from personal experience that this is not true. You have to understand though, that it was true at one point in history and the main problem with ALL christian groups to a certain degree is that they are stuck in there past. So most christians will say "catholics are not allowed to read there bible" "mormons have lots of wives" and so on. These things were true a long time ago, But even religions are allowed to change and grow, just don't expect your enemies to forget about your past, otherwise they wont have anything to bash you with.
Thank you and God bless you too.
thanks... it was pleasant reading this after reading so much... uh... well, you know..
the only problem is that the Catholic Church never forbade anyone to read the Bible (that i KNOW of)... i realize i wasn't THERE in the middle ages or whenever... but from my study, this is what i have found: that the Church did not want lay people reading the Bible because of the tendency to misinterpret it, which is exactly waht happened when Martin Luther, who was a PRIEST (well versed in the Bible and theology) came on the scene & began interpreting the Word himself. Of course, he did more than interpret. He added
the word "alone" to that psg in Romans about being saved through faith. He taught we are saved by faith alone, a totally unbibilical teching if there ever was one.. anyway, the Church frowned on pepole reading the Bible on their own, but they never forbade it (again, as far as i know & i have read a lot of Church history). If they ever DID forbid it you can better believe there was a GOOD reason for it... The Church is very careful about what it teaches (Ever studied how a saint is canonized? or how a "miracle" is investigated by the Church??)
All i know is that a person will never understand the Catholic Church if only reading about the Church from those who have always rejected Her.. You kinda even have to BE Catholic to fully understand (much less APPRECIATE!) the Church
If you wanted to learn about Hawaii, you wouldn't ask someone who has never been there, would you?? Yet many nonCatholics do this kinda thing... and then they think they know the Catholic religion.
As a catechized, cradle Catholic who goes to Mass whenever possible (sometimes 5 days a wk).. i can tell you that most Protestants don't have a clue about the Catholic faith
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well, if you had MY life, you would have no trouble believing in the devil...
but i guess you have never had evil in your life.. never sensed something super-naturally BAD and menacing... etc..
hmm... sounds like a miracle.. you ought to contact the pope and have the Church investigate that... it would be the greatest miracle known to man
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Virtually every person masturbates. Virtually every person (with the means) is into inappropriate content. Since neither masturbation nor inappropriate content use are related to child molestation, it follows that paedophiles would have similar incidences of both.
In other words, it's utterly irrelevant that paedophiles touch when everyone else masturbates too. You may as well point out that all paedophiles have skin and teeth, for all the good it does.
Source, please?speaking of beasts in church(that mental image makes me laugh...)
did you know that nonCatholic churches have TWICE the rate of pedophelia that the Catholic Church has??
Says the one who hates masturbators because she herself chooses not to touch, thereby becoming one of the few people on the planet to do so...
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Source, please?
I have a hard time believing that "virtually every person is into inappropriate content"
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73% of men, and 37% of women, reported that they had masturbated in the four weeks prior to a face-to-face interview. Source. Given social stigma, face-to-face interviews suppress true figures - estimated to be closer to 90% (as found by Kinsey in the 50s; modern surveys find the same result for those who have masturbated at all). While I admit I was exaggerating with 'virtually everyone', that's still a hefty majority (I was, for some reason, thinking only of men).
The point is as I said: it's utterly irrelevant that paedophiles touch when everyone else masturbates too.
Feel free to add the 'pretty much' caveat in.
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You don't know that. And we don't know each other well enough for me to feel you deserve to share that information shared with you.
Hey... your life is what you make of it. This is especially true once you hit adulthood and gain full and complete control over any and all decisions pertaining to it. Everyone has the power to create their own reality; some of us get that, while others choose to stay mired in the mindsets of fear and negativity and "I CAN'T!" and, thus, never seem to go anywhere. I don't let fear stop me, I don't let other people's nay-saying or negative mindsets stop me, and I don't react in the face of problems, I just act (there is a difference between the two).
One of the best pieces of "life advice" was this, passed on to me from a 70 year-old buddy of mine:
"For every negative side there is definitely a positve side. It depends on how a person accepts the negative side initially as to whether or not it becomes positive in any vein after that."
Most people tend not to believe that and get completely caught up in the negative aspects of "what just happened" to them. They carry that negativity with them, sometimes permanently, and never try to get past it. Sometimes the positive side is apparent, and other times it takes years to manifest itself.
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speaking of beasts in church
did you know that nonCatholic churches have TWICE the rate of pedophelia that the Catholic Church has??
just don't hear about it cuz the media DESPISES the Catholic Church... just like a lot of posters here do... guess that's human nature... to hate what you don't want to conform your life to cuz you want to be free to destroy yourself
You've already posted this and have refused to post any evidence. Please stop making things up.
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I was referring to the inappropriate contentography comment, I asked about "virtually everyone being into inappropriate contentography" not masturbation. I think many people may touch at least once in their life.
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As I said, I freely admit I was exaggerating - if you want to quibble adverbs, fine, I rescind my claim. Again.
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You rescinded your claim on the masturbation comment, not the inappropriate contentography one.
I just wanted to make sure you admitted to being deceitful in both fallacious claims.
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I will admit no such thing. Deceit implies willingly and knowingly hiding the truth. I did no such thing. You may question my choice of adverb if you really want, but I'm not fantastically bothered. If you insist on playing this game, the onus is on you to prove that I was being deceitful - you have yet to demonstrate that my claims are false, as you claim in your latest post. I've given you leave to add that caveat at your discretion; I'm done.
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You were just trying to get a hit-job in and you were called out on it. You couldn't even provide any evidence for your claim that "virtually everyone is into inappropriate contentography." Which is your claim, the burden of proof is on you.
You lied and were called out on it. End of story.
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Come on, man, he said "virtually". That's pretty vague. As is the term "into inappropriate contentography". What qualifies as into? Having a huge collection? Having a couple of magazines? Watching bits on the internet on rare occasions? And what's inappropriate content? Hardcore XXX stuff? What about erotic literature, which oftentimes is as graphic in its words as visual inappropriate content is in its images?
Yes, take his comment with a grain of salt. But provided that a majority of people (or, even, a significant portion of people) have ever purposefully watched or looked at or read some sort of inappropriate contentographic material for pleasure, you can't say he is lying.
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So when he says
You mean to tell me that is "vague"? lol. He made the claim and was incapable of backing it up because he thought he was going to make a cute little hit-job on someone. But he was called out on it because he was unwilling or incapable of providing any evidence. Thusly he back-tracked rather quickly.
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Yes, that is vague. How many is "virtually"? What percentage of people counts as "virtually"? Show your math.
What does it mean to have "the means"? Having a computer? Having internet access? Having an adult store within walking distance?
What does it mean to be "into" something? How often? Ongoing, or acute use? In the distant past? Liking it but avoiding it? Not liking it but watching it anyway?
And finally, what constitutes "inappropriate content"? Does it have to be viewed on purpose?
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