Is this Christian?

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I'll make this brief.

I lost my willingness to become a Christian on observing the behaviour of my wife and in-laws.

In-laws are devoutly Christian, proud of it...and both arrogant and judgmental. They are the type who have criticized a wheelchair-bound friend for organizing his house for his own convenience - and not to generally accepted standards of suburban style. They also criticized a chap who was caring for a terminally ill wife - who did not properly entertain them when they came to call.

Wife is in contact with a married ex-boyfriend. They claim a deeply spiritual, Christian connection, and they look forward to being 'reunited in Christ' one day. (I was told this - I do not have access to their communications, nor would I wish to.)

He would also like to be reunited on Earth (I was told this as well). As I am terminally ill, with a very poor chance of even mid-term survival, this did not sit well.

So...is this Christianity? I am told (by my family) that it is, and it's consistent with the attitudes of churchgoers I know.

I believe in God, and find that the story of Christ's resurrection is both believable and compelling. But in all honesty I have no interest in being coreligionists with people such as I have described.

Or perhaps I am being judgmental, and that this behaviour is normal in American Christianity? (I am neither American nor white, as you may have guessed - my wife and in-laws are.)

In closing - I am not using this as a lead-in toward abandoning my wife, my marriage, or the promise I made before God. Even though I am not a Christian, I am yet an honourable man, and will hold fast to these commitments until my death.
 

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I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mohandas Gandhi

He said it pretty well, my friend.
Christians are supposed to try to be like Christ - but as you said, a lot can just be judgemental and be holier-than-thou.
And while perhaps you're in-laws are Christians (meaning, have accepted Christ and believe in him) that does not mean they follow his teachings.
Yes, they should be - and even in the book of James he speaks of the "Fruits of the Spirit" meaning, if you believe in Christ, you will show certain traits (fruits) like, Kindness, Gentleness, Long-suffering etc.

James also goes on to say that "Faith without works is dead." Meaning, how can you say you have this faith, without showing any outward sign of following Christs teachings?

I'm sorry the only real interaction with Christians you've had is from your in-laws.
I really encourage you too look around the site and ask questions.
However, I do implore your understanding - just because we follow the teachings of a perfect man, does not mean we ourselves are.

Peace,
- Niff
 
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The people you describe are not acting in a Christian manner. And they are not pleasing God by acting this way.

I will say this though, no one really does always act in a Christian manner. Thats why there is forgiveness of sin.

How common their attitude is, is dependent upon what church they are in. Some churchs encourage their belivers to be more against things then they are pro-Jesus.

I'm not saying the church shouldn't be opposed to some things, many things. (Although I don't understand how some of the things you are talking about apply.) However the reason the church should be opposed to those things is because they are pro-Jesus.

I too hope you encounter the one true God himself, based on his word. Will pray for you.
 
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You are Gujarati? Its often hard for folks raised with the temples and Hinduism and many gods back ground, and who truly walk a walk that embodies peace and gentle spirited-ness, to see how in the world God can lead His followers to be so harsh and judgmental.
My friends in Marastra state are incredibly kind and meek people, loving and family oriented...its a conundrum when compared to what I, an American, see here.
 
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Whether your wife and inlaw's are Christians or not should not effect YOUR Christianity. If you say you're not going to be a Christian anymore because of their example, does that mean you don't believe in Christ and what He did for us on the cross anymore?

I wager you're disgusted with people who call themselves Christians, yet behave in a very non-Christian manner, but you should still have your faith in God despite THEM. It's not God or Jesus' fault that people behave the way they do.

I would also not want to judge them. Just set your own example.
 
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I'll make this brief.

I lost my willingness to become a Christian on observing the behaviour of my wife and in-laws.

In-laws are devoutly Christian, proud of it...and both arrogant and judgmental. They are the type who have criticized a wheelchair-bound friend for organizing his house for his own convenience - and not to generally accepted standards of suburban style. They also criticized a chap who was caring for a terminally ill wife - who did not properly entertain them when they came to call.

Wife is in contact with a married ex-boyfriend. They claim a deeply spiritual, Christian connection, and they look forward to being 'reunited in Christ' one day. (I was told this - I do not have access to their communications, nor would I wish to.)

He would also like to be reunited on Earth (I was told this as well). As I am terminally ill, with a very poor chance of even mid-term survival, this did not sit well.

So...is this Christianity? I am told (by my family) that it is, and it's consistent with the attitudes of churchgoers I know.

I believe in God, and find that the story of Christ's resurrection is both believable and compelling. But in all honesty I have no interest in being coreligionists with people such as I have described.

Or perhaps I am being judgmental, and that this behaviour is normal in American Christianity? (I am neither American nor white, as you may have guessed - my wife and in-laws are.)

In closing - I am not using this as a lead-in toward abandoning my wife, my marriage, or the promise I made before God. Even though I am not a Christian, I am yet an honourable man, and will hold fast to these commitments until my death.

Ok. Well, to make this brief.

That is American "Christians" to be blunt, which is why I have a hard time calling myself a Christian, because that is the mental scarring image I get when I think of the term Christian.

It is not Christianity, which is the following of Jesus.

This blew my mind:

In-laws are devoutly Christian, proud of it...and both arrogant and judgmental. They are the type who have criticized a wheelchair-bound friend for organizing his house for his own convenience - and not to generally accepted standards of suburban style. They also criticized a chap who was caring for a terminally ill wife - who did not properly entertain them when they came to call.


Because this sounds like my in-laws. People, I have no respect for.

Whatever you do... DO NOT loan these people money! AT ALL! EVER!

I am not going to say more, as this is a very hot button thing for me that I am still getting over, well, TRYING, to get over.

God Bless
 
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I thought I heard it all. Till now. These in-laws actually get holier than thou over how a man organizes his house? I'm trying to picture how anyone could be upset in how someone organizes their house. I'm assuming that since he is wheel-chair bound he keeps most thing with-in arm's reach. I've known some people who are in a wheel-chair have their kitchens and bathroom's remodel so that counters tops, sinks, and such are lower than in typical homes--but I don't see the point in someone else getting critical over that. There are some crazy, selfish people out there.
 
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I get sad when I hear these story's ... and I think we all hear them far too often .... but as Jesus said "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her". Now with that being said I also have a solid understand that just because you go to church and call yourself a christian makes you so, just like standing in a garage and making 'vroom vroom' noises makes you a car! Matt 7:16
 
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I'll make this brief.

I lost my willingness to become a Christian on observing the behaviour of my wife and in-laws.
From what you describe, I can't blame you :(

In-laws are devoutly Christian, proud of it...and both arrogant and judgmental. They are the type who have criticized a wheelchair-bound friend for organizing his house for his own convenience - and not to generally accepted standards of suburban style. They also criticized a chap who was caring for a terminally ill wife - who did not properly entertain them when they came to call.
Nowhere does Christ indicate that pride, arrogance or judgment of others is an admirable trait. As a matter of fact, Scripture states that God hates arrogance, the haughtiness goes before a fall, that pride is followed by destruction, and that He will judge Christians as they have judged others. It is also clearly stated in Scripture that we are to have grace with others as God had grace toward us.
Wife is in contact with a married ex-boyfriend. They claim a deeply spiritual, Christian connection, and they look forward to being 'reunited in Christ' one day. (I was told this - I do not have access to their communications, nor would I wish to.)

He would also like to be reunited on Earth (I was told this as well). As I am terminally ill, with a very poor chance of even mid-term survival, this did not sit well.
I don't have relationships with men my husband isn't also aquaintences with. If hubby doesn't know him, I don't get very close. Any indication of wanting another man's wife (either now or later) is tantamount to adultery on his part (according to the statement of Christ) and is coveting what someone else has. Neither is acceptable, according to Scripture.
So...is this Christianity? I am told (by my family) that it is, and it's consistent with the attitudes of churchgoers I know.

I believe in God, and find that the story of Christ's resurrection is both believable and compelling. But in all honesty I have no interest in being coreligionists with people such as I have described.
No, this is *not* Christianity. *That* is, at best, "cultural Christianity" (the idea that if I go to church or was raised going to church it makes me a Christian). Christianity is a relationship with Jesus Christ that changes your behavior.
Or perhaps I am being judgmental, and that this behaviour is normal in American Christianity? (I am neither American nor white, as you may have guessed - my wife and in-laws are.)
It isn't (or shouldn't be) normal. You are not being judgmental. There is no problem with you being non-white nor non-American. This is a problem with the other people.
In closing - I am not using this as a lead-in toward abandoning my wife, my marriage, or the promise I made before God. Even though I am not a Christian, I am yet an honourable man, and will hold fast to these commitments until my death.[/quote]It sounds like you're really searching for answers in a difficult position. I hope you find Christ through this.
Rachel
 
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So sorry to hear of your illness. I'm sure this is not how you would have things be.

These behaviors are not typical of most of Christians. Not that they do not exist, as you well know... but this is reasonably shocking behavior from Christians.

This business of an unmarried couple being reunited in heaven, or on this earth, is nonsense. No one will be married in heaven... and have they bothered to let his wife know that she will not be growing old with him?

Don't know how you feel about annulment, but there clearly not a meeting of the minds about you two being married meant. I'm sure you did not see yourself being as placeholder till her one true love is available to marry.
 
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There is no security or consistency when you base your faith in Christ based upon other people.

My suggestion would be to read the Bible and pray to God and other activities that are only between you and God in regards to your willingness to becoming a Christian.
You and God decide on that issue and leave your wife and others out.

Your personal faith and relationship with God is the only thing in this world that you can count on 100% of the time. God has promised to never leave you or forsake you, he is ALWAYS trustworthy and always faithfull. There will be times in your life when no one, not even your loved ones, will be able to satisfy some of your greatest needs. That is what I have experienced in my 61 years of life.

I wished that Christian people would always be encouraging and make Jesus proud but I know better. It is hard and very depressing when you trust in Christians to be like Christ and they do the opposite. I think in certain issues God wants you to look only to Him and I believe believing that Jesus is who He says He is definitely one of them.

Gujarati, I am sorry for your situation and your disappointment.

Stan
 
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