sabbath for Jews and Gentiles
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Interesting and thks for that info
http://www.christianforums.com/t7482454/
A Very Informative Documentary On SDA.
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Lulav
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Originally Posted by Lulav
Again, you are not understanding what the New Covenant really is.1 Corinthians 14:37-38 (NKJV)
37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.
I've explain thrice to you what the New Covenant is Ducky and you refuse to either read it or comprehend it. Now you post this. Am I to take that as you are calling me ignorant because I don't believe that the writings (letters to specific people and not all believers) of Saul/Paul is the New Covenant or are you telling me that is what you believe.
I am not intimidated about my faith and the truth that the L-RD has shown me over many years, by these kinds of writings of Paul. That is exactly what they are meant to do, to belittle someone or try that doesn't agree with his false gospel.
Yeshua taught for over three years. He only gave one 'NEW' commandment, but it really was an extension of the second greatest commandment, to love your neighbor as yourself. He wanted for his own for them to love each other as he and the Father loved each other.
That is the ONLY NEW Commandment.
Anything that Paul teaches are not commandments from G-d. In fact many teach against G-ds commandments such as Paul saying that an idol is nothing and you can eat food sacrificed to idols. Yeshua after Paul wrote this, says otherwise and to two out of the seven churches he wrote to through John.
Idolotry is a very big no no with the L-RD and anyone that teaches this is like Balaam and is condemned by the L-RD and will be punished. Those who do not repent of this teaching, will also follow suit.
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Lulav
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Originally Posted by LulavDuckybill, can you tell us what YOU think the New Covenant is? And not
"Matt- Revelation". Can you explain it like you would to someone who never heard of the bible before? What is the New Covenant to you?
1 Thessalonians 2:13 (NKJV)
13 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received THE WORD OF GOD which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, THE WORD OF GOD, which also effectively works in you who believe.
So I see that just as you can't read our posts to you with detailed answers, so you can't even answer a simple question. Back in my day when I was asked to explain something 'in my own words' that is just what I answered, 'in my own words'. Is it that you don't understand what that means, or are being obstinate or just don't know how? I am really puzzled over why you can't seem to communicate with us. I understand language barriers but I don't think english is your second or third language or am I wrong? But there is obviously a barrier here and I don't see a way to cross it if I don't know what it is.
I will ask you one more time and then I will unsubscribe from this thread as I have lots to do, for I am holy and just and unblamable in my words to you, and you must believe what I teach you about G-d.
IN YOUR OWN WORDS, (Not anyone elses, printed or spoken in any time in history), what in YOUR MIND is the NEW COVENANT and WHO is it for?
If you don't understand my question or any of the words used therein, please let me know and I will be happy to try and make it more understandable.
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The first four commands from God are
Realize I am the only God
Put no other above me
Make no image of me
Do not abuse my name
Remember me as your redeemer and creator
Realize I am the only God
Put no other above me
Make no image of me
Do not abuse my name
Remember me as your redeemer and creator
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Lulav
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Ducky the Commandments were already written in the Torah, they don't need to be re-written. The New Covenant as I've tried to show you over and over, is written on the heart, not on papers that have a page "New Testament" printed on it.
For your last comment, the L-RD does not justify 'convenience'. My husbands job works on Saturdays, he told them when he started that he does not work after sundown on Friday night. This keeps him from getting that over time and from being promoted to a supervisor because the supervisor has to work Saturdays. But the L-RD has been gracious, they hired him on as the highest paid there and he gets plenty of OT during the week which he wouldn't get with the supervisors job because it's salary. So by obedience he is blessed.
And speaking of why, as you claim, the Sabbath is not in the New Testament and how there are problems with treating Matt- Revelation as the New Testament and following all in it, do you? Do you follow everything every person has written in there as a commandment?
For instance did you know that a new commandment was added into one of the gospels? From the same story? Here, see if you can find it.
Version #1
But Jesus said , Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence. And, behold , one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do , that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:
but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said , Thou shalt do no murder , Thou shalt not commit adultery , Thou shalt not steal , Thou shalt not bear false witness , Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast , and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful : for he had * great possessions.
Version #2but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said , Thou shalt do no murder , Thou shalt not commit adultery , Thou shalt not steal , Thou shalt not bear false witness , Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast , and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful : for he had * great possessions.
And when he was gone forth into the way , there came one running , and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery , Do not kill , Do not steal , Do not bear false witness , Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest : go thy way , sell whatsoever thou hast , and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come , take up the cross, and follow me. And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved : for he had great possessions. And Jesus looked round about , and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
As you can see (I hope) there are problems, that is why we don't need the NT books to tell us G-ds Commandments as they are in the Torah, twice and that is what we need to know.Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery , Do not kill , Do not steal , Do not bear false witness , Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest : go thy way , sell whatsoever thou hast , and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come , take up the cross, and follow me. And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved : for he had great possessions. And Jesus looked round about , and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
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Ladies I think we are dealing with someone who has been taught to regurgitate another's teaching without making it real for himself. He can spout scripture (out of context mind you) that suits his point of view but cannot give us personal application because I fear there is none. He is no different in arguing with than a JW or Mormon at your door. It's called programing. I vote we politely ask him to put up or shut up. While this thread is good for entertainment and waisting a few minutes of our time, he is blinded to the truth and only HaShem can open his peepers. Nachon?
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Don't the MJ's believe the NC is a "renewal" instead of a "new" Covenant? That is how an MJ relative of mine and some other MJ's have put it. Just curious. Thanks
http://www.christianforums.com/t7326950/
New Covenant of Jeremiah 31 Hebrew 8
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I will ask you one more time and then I will unsubscribe from this thread as I have lots to do, for I am holy and just and unblamable in my words to you, and you must believe what I teach you about G-d.
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These Sabbath COMMANDS:
Exodus 31:14-15 (NKJV)
14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
The death penalty is a COMMAND, not a request.
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You left out the phrase "the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord".
Paul's writings "false gospel"?
Should I believe you or Paul? I'll believe Paul.
1 Corinthians 14:37-38 (NKJV)
37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.
All you had to do is say you don't believe the NT is God's Word, instead of beating around the bush. That would have been sufficient.
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That's an easy question. The NT is the Word of God.
From Peter who was taught directly by Jesus Himself:
2 Peter 3:15-16 (NKJV)
15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation--as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
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I could ask the same for you. Moses COMMANDED to execute sinners and sacrifice animals. Do you? Do you have atonement for your soul? If so, how?
Leviticus 17:11 (NKJV)
11 ; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.'
Honestly folks, I see very little resemblance in your religion and the Torah.
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Wait a minute... while the death decree is written, it is not up to man to execute it. God said He will be the judge, and we need to step aside and let God does His part.
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What a side step!
Deuteronomy 13:6-10 (NKJV)
6 "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
That would include all those of other religions. Do you believe Christians have a different God?
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Do you believe God has a new covenant? The fault was with them..So God took the reigns back into His own hands.
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