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Thank you everyone :hug:
Right now, I feel so strongly that I want to be with God and to love God... but it seems to me that I HAVE chosen to think those evil thoughts in the past, out of weakness.
That's just it. You hit the nail on the head. As I was praying this is what is coming to me - that you think this, that you think you chose those thoughts - and here I am seeing you actually said this!

NO! Not every thought you think is necessarily yours. Thoughts come across our minds continually, more than we realize and sometimes consciously and sometimes unconsciously, we choose whether to take it as our own or not. You can refuse these thoughts. I am severely pressed for time, but there is an answer! There is hope! Jesus is your deliverer, and He will show you how to overcome.

Still praying. :pray:
 
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Sorry I cannot read everything here now. I'm in Florida with my very odd family.

Monica, I am praying for you! I suffer from somewhat blasphemous thoughts too. But know this, my dear sis, you are NEVER cut off from God. His love is EVERLASTING. It sounds cliche' but it's so true. He will deliver you and forgive you every time. your faith is SO strong and admirable. Jesus will never let you go!! He loves you! We love you!
 
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Everyone:

we all have something we are dealing with, things we are trying to overcome, areas where we wish we were more Christ-like. If you are like me, and I suspect you are, you want the struggle over. Why can't we just get a grip on the things we see in us that are not lining up with our call to be overcoming as Jesus was when faced with temptations and loving people so much that He would pray that His Father would forgive those who were crucifying Him? Jesus had soooo much faith yet here we are plagued with doubt and unbelief! Why don't these doubts and "bad thoughts" just go away? WE DON'T WANT THEM! WE don't want to grieve our Beloved!

i've been having issues with my attitude and wanting recognition. I HATE when these thoughts enter my mind. They are not at all how Jesus would think. So when such thoughts enter my mind I find them very upsetting. So tonight I begged the Lord with tears to take them away. Why doesn't He just wave His hand, cause them to disappear and never return? Doesn't He know that I hate thinking like that and that I want to "love" others with a selfless love?

Then I was reminded of the garden of gethsemane. Jesus had said, 'Father all things are possible, if you are willing take this cup from Me, yet not as I will but as You will." So we see at the end of His prayer Jesus yielded to the Father's will. But then the scriptures go on to say that an angel appeared to Him from heaven to stregthen Him and Jesus prayed even more earnestly...so much so that He began to sweat blood. why didn't the Father just wave His hand and take away the struggle? Hebrew 4 says the Christ learned obedience through the things He suffered.

Now it's easy to romanticize the sufferings of Christ, be moved by all He did for us, but to experience His sufferings is another story. Why would I think that upon praying all my ill-feelings towards another or wanting recognition would disappear immediately or that I would never have those thoughts again, whether those feelings come from my own ego or outside forces (demons)? Christ sweat blood as His struggled against whatever thoughts were tormenting Him in the garden. He also felt the horrible feelings of His Father forsaking Him on the cross.

So we (I) am always talking about the importance of being a part of the Bride of Christ. Jesus led me to understand the reason why temptations, (thoughts) don't always go away at the snap of a finger and we encounter at times a terrific struggle, well this is because we are experienceing the sufferings of Christ, our Bridegroom. In fact, paul prayed that he could experience the fellowship of Christ's sufferings. (philippians 3)

The good news is that the Beloved said in John 16:33, 'in the world you will have tribulation but FEAR NOT, I have overcome the world!" Jesus is walking close beside us, holding our head against His bosom. We ARE in the process of becoming more like Him despite our failures and falls. Jesus fell beneath His cross many times but He got up! His stumbling and rising should speak courage to us! This is part of our union life with Him. "apart from Me you can do nothing!" John 15

I'm encouraged to remember Jesus in gethsemane and not 'freak out" out because thoughts contrary to His way of thinking keep creeping into my mind. Jesus experienced this too and sweat blood in His struggle to overcome. He, my great Lover doesn't forsake me in my struggle. He unsertands because He's been there, not walking ten feet off the ground but in the dirt, bleeding His heart out. He IS helping us even when we still feel the struggle. Jesus was sent an angel from heven but Jesus still had to endure the trial of simply being human. That's why Christ the Son of MAN is our perfect High Priest and why we need to continue to go to His throne of grace, even when the worse thoughts plague us. "We do not have a High priest who is unable to sympathize with us but one who was tempted in all points as we are, yet without sin!" hebrews 4

Be encouraged everyone!

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i received this in my email today and thought I would share it here... it's a real help to me and I hope it will bless you all here too.

by David Wilkerson

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 17, 2010

THE CROSS TEACHES US HOW TO DENY SELF

Never once does our Lord say, “Stoop down and let me lay a cross on you.”
Jesus is not in the drafting business; his army is all volunteer. Not all
Christians carry crosses. You can be a believer without carrying a cross, but
you cannot be a disciple.

I see many believers rejecting the way of the cross. They have opted for the
good life with its prosperity, its material gain, its popularity and success.
I’m sure that many of them will make it to heaven— they will have saved
their skins—but they will not have learned Christ. Having rejected the
suffering and sorrow of the cross, they will not have the capacity to know and
enjoy him in eternity, as will all the cross-bearing saints who have entered
into the fellowship of the suffering.

You will have to carry your cross until you learn to deny. Deny what? The one
thing that constantly hinders God's work in our lives—self. Jesus said, "If
any man will come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross, and
follow me" (Matthew 16:24). We are misinterpreting this message if we emphasize
self-denial, that is, the rejection of material or unlawful things. Jesus was
not calling upon us to learn self-discipline before we take up our cross. It is
far more severe than that. Jesus is asking that we deny ourselves. This means to
deny your own ability to carry any cross in your own strength. In other words,
"Don't take up your cross until you are ready to reject any and every thought
on becoming a holy disciple as a result of your own effort."

Millions of professing Christians boast of their self-denial. They don't drink,
smoke, curse or fornicate—they are examples of tremendous self-discipline. But
not in a hundred years would they admit it was accomplished by anything other
than their own willpower. They are practicing self-denial, but they have never
denied self. In some ways, we are all like that. We experience "spurts" of
holiness, accompanied by feelings of purity. Good works usually produce good
feelings, but God will not allow us to think our good works and clean habits
can save us. That is why we need a cross.

I believe Jesus is actually saying to us, "Before you take up your cross, be
ready to face a moment of truth. Be ready to experience a crisis by which you
will learn to deny your self-will, your self-righteousness, your
self-sufficiency, your self-authority. You can rise up and follow me as a true
disciple only when you can freely admit you can do nothing in your own
strength—you cannot overcome sin through your own willpower—your
temptations cannot be overcome by your self-efforts alone—you cannot work
things out by your own intellect.

Your love for Jesus can put you on your knees but your cross will put you on
your face.
 
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it seems to me that this message fits well with the first~

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Daily Devotional by Tommy Tenney, based on his book[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Finding Favor with the King[/FONT]
Don't Fret the Process!
The only way to be transformed and conformed into an acceptable bride for the king was to submit to the protocols of the palace—including soaking in the oil!
Finding Favor with the King, p. 78​
Scripture Reading
John 13:1-17, Jesus washes His disciples' feet. When Peter protests, the Lord assures him that such washing is a necessary part of being His disciple.



If you want to see the King, you've got to be clean.
No one enters a royal court unwashed, wearing dirty clothes. To do so would be an insult to the king. Esther spent an entire year in cleansing and beautifying treatments preparing herself for one night with King Xerxes. Joseph was summoned from prison to interpret Pharaoh's dreams. Before appearing in the king's presence Joseph shaved and changed his clothes. Even the king's urgent summons waited until Joseph was presentable.​
In the same way, not one of us can enter the presence of the King of kings unprepared. The stench of our sin makes us unpresentable before a Holy God. This is why we need the cleansing of the blood of Jesus and the anointing of the Holy Spirit. These elements remove both the stain and the stench of our sin. The soiled garments of our old sinful nature are removed and we are clothed in the spotless garment of the righteousness of Christ. Only then are we presentable; fit to enter God's presence.​
Cleansing must come before anointing. The anointing oil will merely mingle with the dirt if the dirt is not removed first. Jesus made this clear to His disciples (and to us) with an unforgettable example. After the Last Supper, on the night before He was crucified, Jesus wrapped a towel around his waist, took a basin of water and began to wash His disciples' feet. Foot washing was a task assigned to the most menial of house servants. Peter thought it inappropriate for his Lord to perform such a lowly job. “Peter said to Him, ‘You shall never wash my feet!' Jesus answered him, ‘If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me.'​
As Peter learned, we must let Jesus wash us and make us clean or else we have no part with Him. He cleanses us not with water but with His precious blood. After cleansing comes the anointing with His Holy Spirit. This process often takes time, a necessary period of waiting and preparation. Before He ascended, Jesus told His disciples to wait in Jerusalem until they were “endued with power from on high.” What did they do in the meantime? “They worshiped Him , and returned to Jerusalem with great joy, and were continually in the temple praising and blessing God .”​
Cleansing and anointing are protocols of the King's palace. Worship allows us to soak in that anointing oil. It prepares us for His presence. Attaining the King's presence is well worth the wait. Don't fret the process!
Prayer Lord, thank You for cleansing me of my sin and anointing me with Your Spirit. Help me worship my way into Your intimate presence.
 
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Hi, everyone.
I can't find where I last posted about the Comfort Zone situation. Here is an update.
Nona has fired Faith. Faith has been down to the point of feeling suicidal. She is not allowed to take part in any Comfort Zone functions. And she's not appealing to have her job back. It would be too hard for her to have to work with Nona. Faith and I had a good long talk last night, and she helped me put together my notes for what I'm going to say at the board meeting today at 1:00. I deeply covet your prayers. I will have to face them without Faith at my side, but the faith of God will be with me. I am not used to confrontations or speaking up for myself or tooting my own horn. I don't even like doing it. But I have to say that so far the Lord has made me a lot stronger in this trial. I am very nervous about the meeting, though. I'm going to ask for the cooperation of the board director to keep things from getting out of control, and ask the board if we can discuss my case without Nona being present. I have two and a half pages of notes. And I printed and highlighted all the correspondence between Nona and me, in which she deceived and betrayed me. I'm bringing a copy, and also sending each member a copy by email right before I leave for the meeting, to refer to later as they choose. Much of this is on Faith's advice. Doesn't she have the most wonderful name? I feel like I'm walking in a parable. Robin, herald of the eternal spring, with Faith encouraging and guiding her, Faith sometimes faltering...It's like the book I'm reading, Pilgrim's Regress. Maybe I should put something about this in my zine?
Faith said, "When this is all over, we should make T-shirts that say, "I survived Nona 2010." I said I could make buttons. She would like to design a logo with poop on it. We had a good laugh. I couldn't wear something like that unless Nona was safely in jail or something. And Faith has told me some illegal things Nona has done. But Nona is also very good at pulling the wool over people's eyes.
Faith asked me what I most feared, what the worst thing about the meeting would be. I said if I were to lose my courage. That's when she suggested I solicit the support of the chairman, who is quite a peacemaker. I do hope he remembers that he was the one who years ago talked Nona into letting me have religious content in the newsletter--the very reason, as she has stated to the board, that she took it away from me these past few months.
To continue with my parable ideas: Nona means Grandma. I am perhaps fighting an ancestral curse in my own family and culture. I felt a lot stronger when I wrote and sent the letter to the board and requested a hearing before their next meeting.
 
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Amy wrote:
Jesus fell beneath His cross many times but He got up!

This is true. However, there came a point when he was incapable of getting up. Was he then condemned for his weakness? Was he then stopped in his mission of saving others?

No. Another man was provided to carry his cross for him the rest of the way.

I am reminded of the story of the footsprints in the sand. You probably all know it: A man dreamed that he looked upon his life as a trek across the sand. He saw two pairs of footprints everywhere he had gone--his own, and the Lord's. But then he noticed that in his hardest moments, there was only one set of footprints. He cried out, "Lord, why did you forsake me in my times of greatest need?"
"My child," the Lord replied. "I will never leave you. Those times, the footsteps were mine. I carried you."

Normally, it is told that that the second set of footprints were Jesus'. I have said "the Lord" to emphasize that Jesus went through what the man went through and also felt like he was alone. But God provided someone to carry his cross for him. Whether it be another person or God Himself, we don't face our trials alone.

Perhaps it is Jesus in you, Monica, who is feeling the most forsaken feelings. He cannot feel Jesus is with him if he doesn't know he is Jesus himself. This probably sounds like gibberish, and maybe it is. I am grasping at something hard to understand and explain. Perhaps I could say that the divine in you has not realized itself because it has been humbled with such a heavy load of oppression. You do not agree with the thoughts that have been coming to you because you are by nature a child of God. That is all that you need to know. Feelings come and go, although I'm not making light of them. I know that what you are experiencing is hell. But even Jesus was thrown into Hell. Would you condemn him because of it?
You had feelings of hate, which I believe Satan directed towards Jesus. I think those were not your feelings but Satan's. You were angry because you were in such pain. Anger is only natural in such a state. I know what it's like to be so lost and deceived (and I mean, while a Christian, not before I was saved) and oppressed that I thought Satan's thoughts and even believed I was him. This was, in general, during the pinnacle of my spiritual life, my wedding and honeymoon period with Jesus! Satan used my mental illness to hurt me, and maybe others through me, but he could only do it under the umbrella of God's will. That will was the same as His will for you: "All things work together for good to those who love God, who are called according to his purpose" ...That purpose is to mold us to the image of Christ. As has been shared above, Christ has been through all you are going through and all I have gone through, and much worse. We must not think that we are any more "fortunate" than our Master.

More foolishness, from that time, while I was in the hospital with my broken hip, focusing on Jesus:

He told me, "We are going on the greatest spy mission ever. You will be under some deception. Some people will even think you are possessed. But don't worry; I will be glorified through this."

In the state of perfect trust that characterized that period of my life (with all my inhibitions stripped), I thought that the result would be some grand, glorious wonder everyone would see and that I would be vindicated shortly. The truth is that his will in this is grand and glorious, but few see, and I have not been vindicated. Those who came to despise me for what I went through despise me still. I have to carry the cross of a mental illness, with all its stigma and shame and embarrassment. Other Christians don't understand me. I could go on. But I needn't dwell on the negative. The positive is the change deep within me, the reflection of Christ in my life. It is all for me and Jesus. No wonder he married me! I would have nothing without partnership with him. Mere worship from afar will not do. I always come back to Paul's words: "If we are beside ourselves, it is for God. If we are in our right minds, it is for you." Paul apparently knew what it is like to be insane, like me! And he said it was for God. What did he mean? Did he grow in God through it, like I did? Did he please God in a special way by the way God's light shone into or through him while he was out of his mind? I don't know, but God did those things for me and in me.
Monica, do you believe that you are beside yourself, or have been? Was this sort of thing perhaps like what Paul went through? Be comforted with knowing how much God used Paul in all his sufferings.
Now, do dig even deeper, I'm going to touch a painful and controversial subject. It is what many called being possessed. Others did indeed accuse me of this "crime." I didn't believe I was possessed, but at one point I thought God wanted me to tell someone else I had a demon in me because it was the only way to get that person to come and pray for me. I was afraid that an exorcism would be a horrible experience for me, but I was wrong. And the prayers of two pastors relieved my oppression instantly, gave me back my sense of judgment, and let Christ's Spirit in me be in charge. But it didn't all last completely. I was still ill. Only medication relieved me of my state, and that just as quickly as the prayer (it was an injection, so it worked fast). I could say more about what followed; it wasn't pretty. The mental illness as a whole was not gone, I just wasn't manic anymore.
Anyway, I want to say more about this possession idea. Some say Christians can't be possessed. Others say they can. I read an interesting book by an exorcist that said that some saints have been possessed at times. It was a humbling experience for them, and that seems to be the reason for what they went through. I am no longer afraid of being possessed, because even should I be at any time, demons cannot separate me from the love of God. If Satan can (only with God's permission can he) come into my body and speak lies and blasphemies out of my mouth, I am not responsible for what he did in me. God knows it is not me, but sin within me, doing these things.
Furthermore, the fear is more removed from me by a change in terminology. I cannot be possessed by Satan or a demon because I am the possession of the Trinity, bought and paid for. My pastor uses the term "demonized." Demonization has different levels of severity, and rarely does it inflict a person to the point of possession. And if you read the accounts of the possessed in the Bible, you will see that Jesus always treated them as victims, not (as many Christians would accuse) as criminals. He cast out the demons, never said a word against the victim, and cleaned and cleared every one of them. In some instances he even used the word "healed." Some today think that possession was just another word back then for mental illness. While I don't swallow the entire claim, I think that in some cases it is.
My illness, especially when I am particularly sick, makes me more vulnerable to the spirit realm. When I am manic, my faith might be stronger, but I am also liable to be deceived and oppressed, even demonized. But because of the fire I have been through, I have no terror of being there again. My God has carried me through it, and if I have to face it again and again, I will. For He will carry me, I know from experience. Of course, I take care of myself and fight the illness, and have reached a point in my medical care where I may never be severely manic again. Thank God! But it's worth having gone through insanity to overcome the fear of insanity. The devil can touch me, but he cannot destroy me. This is none of my doing. It is only God's.

I don't believe I have ever told anyone about the "spy mission," in so many words. Thinking it was the greatest of all time would cause some to say I had delusions of grandeur. That's okay. I had many such delusions in my drugged and manic state. But if I have helped you by this, Monica, I don't think that the words I heard from Jesus were hyperbole after all. If you see the spy mission as something bigger than my own adventures--if many are involved in it somehow, then I heard from Him aright. If I didn't, that's okay. It helped me. How else could I have known I would be deceived and thought possessed, and still keep myself in peace and trust? Neither would have been possible under the circumstances with any other words, I think. God is good. Always.

Love to you always, Monica, and to everyone who reads these words. I am able to bear my soul to you people as to no one else. I appreciate it more deeply than you can know.
 
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Amy wrote:
Jesus fell beneath His cross many times but He got up!

This is true. However, there came a point when he was incapable of getting up. Was he then condemned for his weakness? Was he then stopped in his mission of saving others?

No. Another man was provided to carry his cross for him the rest of the way.

I am reminded of the story of the footsprints in the sand. You probably all know it: A man dreamed that he looked upon his life as a trek across the sand. He saw two pairs of footprints everywhere he had gone--his own, and the Lord's. But then he noticed that in his hardest moments, there was only one set of footprints. He cried out, "Lord, why did you forsake me in my times of greatest need?"
"My child," the Lord replied. "I will never leave you. Those times, the footsteps were mine. I carried you."

Normally, it is told that that the second set of footprints were Jesus'. I have said "the Lord" to emphasize that Jesus went through what the man went through and also felt like he was alone. But God provided someone to carry his cross for him. Whether it be another person or God Himself, we don't face our trials alone.

Perhaps it is Jesus in you, Monica, who is feeling the most forsaken feelings. He cannot feel Jesus is with him if he doesn't know he is Jesus himself. This probably sounds like gibberish, and maybe it is. I am grasping at something hard to understand and explain. Perhaps I could say that the divine in you has not realized itself because it has been humbled with such a heavy load of oppression. You do not agree with the thoughts that have been coming to you because you are by nature a child of God. That is all that you need to know. Feelings come and go, although I'm not making light of them. I know that what you are experiencing is hell. But even Jesus was thrown into Hell. Would you condemn him because of it?
You had feelings of hate, which I believe Satan directed towards Jesus. I think those were not your feelings but Satan's. You were angry because you were in such pain. Anger is only natural in such a state. I know what it's like to be so lost and deceived (and I mean, while a Christian, not before I was saved) and oppressed that I thought Satan's thoughts and even believed I was him. This was, in general, during the pinnacle of my spiritual life, my wedding and honeymoon period with Jesus! Satan used my mental illness to hurt me, and maybe others through me, but he could only do it under the umbrella of God's will. That will was the same as His will for you: "All things work together for good to those who love God, who are called according to his purpose" ...That purpose is to mold us to the image of Christ. As has been shared above, Christ has been through all you are going through and all I have gone through, and much worse. We must not think that we are any more "fortunate" than our Master.

More foolishness, from that time, while I was in the hospital with my broken hip, focusing on Jesus:

He told me, "We are going on the greatest spy mission ever. You will be under some deception. Some people will even think you are possessed. But don't worry; I will be glorified through this."

In the state of perfect trust that characterized that period of my life (with all my inhibitions stripped), I thought that the result would be some grand, glorious wonder everyone would see and that I would be vindicated shortly. The truth is that his will in this is grand and glorious, but few see, and I have not been vindicated. Those who came to despise me for what I went through despise me still. I have to carry the cross of a mental illness, with all its stigma and shame and embarrassment. Other Christians don't understand me. I could go on. But I needn't dwell on the negative. The positive is the change deep within me, the reflection of Christ in my life. It is all for me and Jesus. No wonder he married me! I would have nothing without partnership with him. Mere worship from afar will not do. I always come back to Paul's words: "If we are beside ourselves, it is for God. If we are in our right minds, it is for you." Paul apparently knew what it is like to be insane, like me! And he said it was for God. What did he mean? Did he grow in God through it, like I did? Did he please God in a special way by the way God's light shone into or through him while he was out of his mind? I don't know, but God did those things for me and in me.
Monica, do you believe that you are beside yourself, or have been? Was this sort of thing perhaps like what Paul went through? Be comforted with knowing how much God used Paul in all his sufferings.
Now, do dig even deeper, I'm going to touch a painful and controversial subject. It is what many called being possessed. Others did indeed accuse me of this "crime." I didn't believe I was possessed, but at one point I thought God wanted me to tell someone else I had a demon in me because it was the only way to get that person to come and pray for me. I was afraid that an exorcism would be a horrible experience for me, but I was wrong. And the prayers of two pastors relieved my oppression instantly, gave me back my sense of judgment, and let Christ's Spirit in me be in charge. But it didn't all last completely. I was still ill. Only medication relieved me of my state, and that just as quickly as the prayer (it was an injection, so it worked fast). I could say more about what followed; it wasn't pretty. The mental illness as a whole was not gone, I just wasn't manic anymore.
Anyway, I want to say more about this possession idea. Some say Christians can't be possessed. Others say they can. I read an interesting book by an exorcist that said that some saints have been possessed at times. It was a humbling experience for them, and that seems to be the reason for what they went through. I am no longer afraid of being possessed, because even should I be at any time, demons cannot separate me from the love of God. If Satan can (only with God's permission can he) come into my body and speak lies and blasphemies out of my mouth, I am not responsible for what he did in me. God knows it is not me, but sin within me, doing these things.
Furthermore, the fear is more removed from me by a change in terminology. I cannot be possessed by Satan or a demon because I am the possession of the Trinity, bought and paid for. My pastor uses the term "demonized." Demonization has different levels of severity, and rarely does it inflict a person to the point of possession. And if you read the accounts of the possessed in the Bible, you will see that Jesus always treated them as victims, not (as many Christians would accuse) as criminals. He cast out the demons, never said a word against the victim, and cleaned and cleared every one of them. In some instances he even used the word "healed." Some today think that possession was just another word back then for mental illness. While I don't swallow the entire claim, I think that in some cases it is.
My illness, especially when I am particularly sick, makes me more vulnerable to the spirit realm. When I am manic, my faith might be stronger, but I am also liable to be deceived and oppressed, even demonized. But because of the fire I have been through, I have no terror of being there again. My God has carried me through it, and if I have to face it again and again, I will. For He will carry me, I know from experience. Of course, I take care of myself and fight the illness, and have reached a point in my medical care where I may never be severely manic again. Thank God! But it's worth having gone through insanity to overcome the fear of insanity. The devil can touch me, but he cannot destroy me. This is none of my doing. It is only God's.

I don't believe I have ever told anyone about the "spy mission," in so many words. Thinking it was the greatest of all time would cause some to say I had delusions of grandeur. That's okay. I had many such delusions in my drugged and manic state. But if I have helped you by this, Monica, I don't think that the words I heard from Jesus were hyperbole after all. If you see the spy mission as something bigger than my own adventures--if many are involved in it somehow, then I heard from Him aright. If I didn't, that's okay. It helped me. How else could I have known I would be deceived and thought possessed, and still keep myself in peace and trust? Neither would have been possible under the circumstances with any other words, I think. God is good. Always.

Love to you always, Monica, and to everyone who reads these words. I am able to bear my soul to you people as to no one else. I appreciate it more deeply than you can know.
That's an awesome post. I like that you can blame satan. It takes the blame off the people that act to despise also and puts it were it belongs. Reps
 
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I am at Comfort Zone using a funky cyber cafe computer. The board has reached its decision. They are letting me have my newsletter back, with four hours a month pay. They are leaving it up to Nona to work out the details, which makes me nervous, and they are leaving it up to her whether she wants to continue her own newsletter or give me articles for my newsletter. But I had told the board that I didn't intend to copyedit HER newsletter anymore. She is supposed to be getting me a staff application. I am waiting.
 
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Keep us up to date Robin. So far so good.

I got a lot out your post to Monica. Jesus has such a rich deposit in you. Thank you for sharing you heart with us. pretty awesome stuff. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

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and this from AmyLisa's post:

I believe Jesus is actually saying to us, "Before you take up your cross, be
ready to face a moment of truth. Be ready to experience a crisis by which you
will learn to deny your self-will, your self-righteousness, your
self-sufficiency, your self-authority. You can rise up and follow me as a true
disciple only when you can freely admit you can do nothing in your own
strength—you cannot overcome sin through your own willpower—your
temptations cannot be overcome by your self-efforts alone—you cannot work
things out by your own intellect.

Your love for Jesus can put you on your knees but your cross will put you on
your face.
 
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Hello again. More details: The board chairman came and sat across from me at lunch before the meeting and talked with me. And in a while, Margaret, a woman Faith had asked to rally for me, sat next to me.
Nona had decided to stay in the office during the meeting, so I didn't have to confront her in my nervous state.
Margaret was wonderful, very helpful and supportive. I don't believe I thought to thank her, and I don't have her phone number. The chairman referred to the things Nona did as "mistakes." The secretary said Nona would never hurt anyone on purpose. When I shared that Nona told me the opposite of what Faith said to Nona about whether the Publisher program would run on my computer, the cook, who sat in on the meeting, objected that I couldn't know that. We both were pretty testy with each other. I said, "So you think Faith lied to me about it?" He said, "I don't know. Neither one of us was there." I made the case that either way, Nona's message saying the program wouldn't run was the day BEFORE I sent her the specs on my computer that she had requested. And I told them that Faith put Publisher on my computer and it works fine. (I hope this makes sense. The point is, I caught Nona in a big lie and a deliberate deception she did to keep me from doing the newsletter myself in my home.) The chairman took notes about how the board can work more effectively in catching and preventing "mistakes." His behavior lines up with what Faith told me about him. He's a gentle peacemaker who believes in fairness but is a friend of Nona and would not do anything toward her losing her job.

I have filled out the job application and paperwork, but I have to go in Saturday to bring my Social Security card because I didn't have it with me. Nona only showed upsetness once today, when three of us went in and were waiting for her to get out the paperwork. She snapped, "Leave, I'm really getting stressed out with you all staring at me!" I left, the others didn't.

Tonight I sent the board members all the correspondence between me and Nona since this whole thing began, with important points highlighted. I shared some of it at the meeting. Now they can all read for themselves the process whereby she took over. I don't know what the future holds with Nona still in place making what the chairman calls "executive decisions" without the board and me being on staff. But I see myself as called to be a light in the place. God has put me in this position, and others really like the newsletter and want me to have it back. I have it back, but Faith can't help me the way she wanted to. Unless people who never chipped in before suddenly do, I may end up relying on Nona providing some of the articles, which I don't want to do because I don't trust her to be truthful and it's obvious she can't write well. So please stay in regular prayer for this situation. I know your prayers have helped. Others are praying as well. Margaret is a Christian, too, and both she and faith have been praying bigtime about things at Comfort Zone. Margaret is optimistic that things will work out well. I don't know myself. I don't expect things to be easy, and Nona practices some unethical and illegal things that no one stops. But Faith is bearing such a heavy burden she is thinking she may have to write the grievances all down and deliver them all, for her own sanity and peace of mind. The mediator has said to wait, but she may tell the mediator how she feels. The mediator is coming to an advisory meeting later this month, and I will be there. She sees her role as guiding the board and the organization to be more functional. She has made a report of the good and bad points she saw, and we all have a copy of it.
I especially ask prayers for Faith, that she will not be eaten up by bitterness. She is feeling very depressed. Nona dominates all her thoughts right now. She was for a time feeling suicidal. She does not like the person she has become. She wants to be happy and cheer people up again.

I know you are good for these requests. Prayers comin' down the pipeline...So good!

As for Nona...Well, how do we pray for her? We are commanded to pray for our enemies and do good to them. I ask for wisdom and self control for myself as to how to love her without compromising the truth and the love of others. As I've heard said, Love without truth is sentimentality; truth without love is brutality. Today's idea of love is very mamby-pamby. How do we turn the other cheek but also stand up for justice? Can any of you share some pointers on that from scripture or experience?

I guess I have to pray for Nona to be dogged by her own conscience. Faith has lost all faith that Nona will change. And she probably won't as long as she can get away with things. So far the only changes she has made has been because the board insisted on them. And she claimed she hadn't seen my letter asking for my name to be taken off her newsletter. So I might focus my prayers more on the board of directors, that their eyes will be open to the truth and that they will have the courage to really change things.

It turns out that Nona's "executive decision" to ban the discussion of politics, sex, and religion happened when people were getting very heated over the Presidential election. I asked if people had ever gotten that out of hand about religion, and they said it was very rare.

All in all, we discussed things pretty thoroughly and got things into the light for all present.

Nona is really big on using the passive voice or hiding behind the board, wording things in such a way that she is not implicated in her own decisions. To me and Faith, it looks like she's clearly recognizing the danger she is in and very diliberately misleading people where it is to her advantage. These are not mistakes. They are sins, sometimes crimes. I pray that all the board and all Comfort Zone will be able to see it...that the day will come when all admit that the Emporer has no clothes.

Do you think such prayers would be unloving? I don't, because Nona chooses the path she walks. Love rejoices in the right, not in the wrong. It is glad when truth prevails. When a good man rules, the people rejoice. When an evil man rules, the people mourn. Should we sacrifice the many who suffer because of Nona's attitude and policies for the sake of pleasing her? Pleasing is not love. I expect you agree and I needn't write this to you, but it helps me to clarify where I should stand on this issue. I'm going to need all the backbone I can get as a staff member of Comfort Zone. Pray, too, that Nona will not be able to pull the wool over my eyes--or anyone else's--over anything anymore.

I've learned that part of what has happened has been backlash from a person who used to be on staff who was pushing Christianity on the whole organization. Faith says he made it mandatory for people to participate in prayer to Jesus before they ate. I didn't witness this compulsion, although I do remember the prayers. We need to keep the place free of manipulation, religious or otherwise. As we discussed in the meeting, it's not what we talk about that's so important as how we talk about it. Common courtesy is important. Conflicts will happen from time to time; that's life. They should not cause people to be kicked out.

I think that's all I have to say right now. Gee, I can be longwinded!

Oh, Jon, I started reading more of your story while I was at Comfort Zone, but had to stop in the middle of a post because I had to leave. Will get back to it when I can. Beautiful work! I myself question whether anyone but Jesus really understood what was happening and going to happen when he went to the cross (note how clueless the walkers to Emeus were until he enlightened them), but you have presented a loving scenario of what it would be like if some people DID truly understand. I see your story as an example of how things OUGHT to have been. Jesus OUGHT to have been properly understood and adored, from our viewpoint as His lovers. We think that if we were there, we would have known and been there for him and not left him alone. I tend to think that Jesus really experienced aloneness and being misunderstood very intensely at that time. It's one of the reasons he saw his cup as unbearable, in my opinion. I hope I don't offend. I just look at what the scriptures say, and I also think about the suffering people experience here on earth, and I personally believe that Jesus experienced the worst of the worst in order to be our perfect High Priest. No one can say that he doesn't know what it feels like to go through whatever they are suffering.
On the other hand, I love the love and sharing in your story. It has a lot of guts. It seems like the time traveler theme again. If we'd known then what we know now and went back in time to the events, this is how it would be.
I imagine Jesus' friends suffering more during the Passion. Their own ignorance being part of the cross they bore. Ignorant not because Jesus didn't make every effort to explain to them, but because he had not yet been able to fill them with the Holy Spirit, the presence of God Himself within, who enlightens our hearts and gives us the knowledge that when we suffer, we are suffering together with Christ. I'm not saying I don't agree that some may indeed have felt in their hearts and bodies his very injuries. In fact, in one of my pieces of fiction, I had a woman who loved him deeply, who wasn't even present at the event, be very sick, reliving the worst moment of her life, and experiencing pains and sorrows parallel with his own. In my story, that woman represented His Bride. So we agree that the Bride does this. I have at times thought of myself as "a woman of sorrows, acquainted with grief." To be one with Yeshua is worth it!
 
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I REALLY dislike confrontational situations like what you've been having to deal with Robin. God is in control!!!

The topic of sharing in His sorrow has been on my mind a lot lately, because of a couple of things He has been showing to me.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]About a month ago I saw a picture of a statue of Jesus, portraying Him at His scourging. He was crowned with thorns, wearing the purple robe and He was covered with wounds.
That night I had a dream in which I entered a chapel and went up to pray...then I became aware of Him there and I went up to Him. He looked as He did in this statue except He was alive.
We reached out to each other,and He took a large splinter and stuck it into my hand. He didn't say anything, just looked at me and gave me this splinter. It was painful. I thought maybe it was a splinter from His cross.

Not long after I had this dream, one morning last week I was spending time with Him at home, and as I prayed and talked to Him, all of a sudden He gave me kind of a vision. I saw a heart, made out of stone. I saw a hand holding a large chisel, and with a hammer, it struck this stone heart and broke it into pieces, broke it in two.

This past Monday night I was listening to a CD about the Stations of The Cross. I was reminded of the dream I had about Him putting the splinter in my hand. I asked Him then what the splinter represented. I believe I heard Him answer, "Sorrow."
The next morning, yesterday, I was again just spending time with Jesus, worshiping Him. And during this time He showed me another heart...this heart was large, red, alive. It was slashed open with a dagger.[/FONT]
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I have been asking God for understanding about these things. I know He has impressed upon me very much lately to be joined to Him in His suffering somehow He keeps telling me to die to my self and live to Him. As Christians we are each called to this. I need to say YES to Him and not fear, and place my life and trust in Him.
 
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All beautiful sharing. Monica and all of us can truly take heart from what Robin said. Thanks :)

AmyLisa, the things our Beloved One is showing you are precious...I wish we could all be so directly in tune with Him. I long to have dreams of Him!

It's our suffering together that makes us a family, and suffering together with Jesus makes us His Bride. (Wow, could I have just felt the Holy Spirit as I typed that? I don't know. I'm not always good at interpreting the Lord's signs.)

You are all always in my prayers beloved family! Love you all!

Greetings from sunny Florida,
your brother Jonathan
 
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The scriptures he quotes here have been on my mind lately.~~


David Wilkerson Today

THURSDAY, MARCH 18, 2010

FOLLOWING HOLINESS

God’s Word tells us in no uncertain terms: “Follow…holiness, without
which no man shall see the Lord” (Hebrews 12:14).

Here is the truth, plain and simple. Without the holiness that’s imparted by
Christ alone—a precious gift we honor by leading a life devoted to obeying
his every Word—none of us will see the Lord. And this refers not just to
heaven, but to our present life as well. Without holiness, we won’t see
God’s presence in our daily walk, our family, our relationships, our witness
or our ministry.

It doesn’t matter how many Christian conferences we attend, how many
preaching tapes we listen to, how many Bible studies we are involved in. If we
harbor a cancerous sin, if the Lord has a controversy with us over our
iniquity, then none of our efforts will produce godly fruit. On the contrary,
our sin will only grow more contagious and infect everyone around us.

Of course, this issue goes beyond all lusts of the flesh, to corruption of the
spirit as well. Paul describes the same destructive sin in this passage when he
says, “Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of
the destroyer” (1 Corinthians 10:10).

So, dear saint, will you allow the Holy Spirit to deal with all the lusts you
may be harboring? And will you instead seek and trust in the escape that God
has provided for you? I urge you to cultivate a holy fear and trust in these
last days. It will keep you pure, no matter how loudly wickedness rages around
you. And it will enable you to walk in God’s holiness, which holds the
promise of his enduring presence.

It is all a matter of faith. Christ has promised to keep you from falling, and
to give you sin-resisting power—if you simply believe what he has said. So,
believe him for this godly fear. Pray for it and welcome it. God will keep his
Word to you. You cannot break free from the death-grip of besetting sin by
willpower, by promises, or by any human effort alone. “Not by might, nor by
power, but by my Spirit, saith the Lord” (Zechariah 4:6)
 
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All beautiful sharing. Monica and all of us can truly take heart from what Robin said. Thanks :)

AmyLisa, the things our Beloved One is showing you are precious...I wish we could all be so directly in tune with Him. I long to have dreams of Him!

It's our suffering together that makes us a family, and suffering together with Jesus makes us His Bride. (Wow, could I have just felt the Holy Spirit as I typed that? I don't know. I'm not always good at interpreting the Lord's signs.)

You are all always in my prayers beloved family! Love you all!

Greetings from sunny Florida,
your brother Jonathan

I think you Are in tune with Him Jon,very much so. And I believe yes you did feel the Holy Spirit when you typed that! Cause what you said is true.
 
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Amy wrote:
Jesus fell beneath His cross many times but He got up!

This is true. However, there came a point when he was incapable of getting up. Was he then condemned for his weakness? Was he then stopped in his mission of saving others?

No. Another man was provided to carry his cross for him the rest of the way.

I am reminded of the story of the footsprints in the sand. You probably all know it: A man dreamed that he looked upon his life as a trek across the sand. He saw two pairs of footprints everywhere he had gone--his own, and the Lord's. But then he noticed that in his hardest moments, there was only one set of footprints. He cried out, "Lord, why did you forsake me in my times of greatest need?"
"My child," the Lord replied. "I will never leave you. Those times, the footsteps were mine. I carried you."

Normally, it is told that that the second set of footprints were Jesus'. I have said "the Lord" to emphasize that Jesus went through what the man went through and also felt like he was alone. But God provided someone to carry his cross for him. Whether it be another person or God Himself, we don't face our trials alone.

Perhaps it is Jesus in you, Monica, who is feeling the most forsaken feelings. He cannot feel Jesus is with him if he doesn't know he is Jesus himself. This probably sounds like gibberish, and maybe it is. I am grasping at something hard to understand and explain. Perhaps I could say that the divine in you has not realized itself because it has been humbled with such a heavy load of oppression. You do not agree with the thoughts that have been coming to you because you are by nature a child of God. That is all that you need to know. Feelings come and go, although I'm not making light of them. I know that what you are experiencing is hell. But even Jesus was thrown into Hell. Would you condemn him because of it?
You had feelings of hate, which I believe Satan directed towards Jesus. I think those were not your feelings but Satan's. You were angry because you were in such pain. Anger is only natural in such a state. I know what it's like to be so lost and deceived (and I mean, while a Christian, not before I was saved) and oppressed that I thought Satan's thoughts and even believed I was him. This was, in general, during the pinnacle of my spiritual life, my wedding and honeymoon period with Jesus! Satan used my mental illness to hurt me, and maybe others through me, but he could only do it under the umbrella of God's will. That will was the same as His will for you: "All things work together for good to those who love God, who are called according to his purpose" ...That purpose is to mold us to the image of Christ. As has been shared above, Christ has been through all you are going through and all I have gone through, and much worse. We must not think that we are any more "fortunate" than our Master.

More foolishness, from that time, while I was in the hospital with my broken hip, focusing on Jesus:

He told me, "We are going on the greatest spy mission ever. You will be under some deception. Some people will even think you are possessed. But don't worry; I will be glorified through this."

In the state of perfect trust that characterized that period of my life (with all my inhibitions stripped), I thought that the result would be some grand, glorious wonder everyone would see and that I would be vindicated shortly. The truth is that his will in this is grand and glorious, but few see, and I have not been vindicated. Those who came to despise me for what I went through despise me still. I have to carry the cross of a mental illness, with all its stigma and shame and embarrassment. Other Christians don't understand me. I could go on. But I needn't dwell on the negative. The positive is the change deep within me, the reflection of Christ in my life. It is all for me and Jesus. No wonder he married me! I would have nothing without partnership with him. Mere worship from afar will not do. I always come back to Paul's words: "If we are beside ourselves, it is for God. If we are in our right minds, it is for you." Paul apparently knew what it is like to be insane, like me! And he said it was for God. What did he mean? Did he grow in God through it, like I did? Did he please God in a special way by the way God's light shone into or through him while he was out of his mind? I don't know, but God did those things for me and in me.
Monica, do you believe that you are beside yourself, or have been? Was this sort of thing perhaps like what Paul went through? Be comforted with knowing how much God used Paul in all his sufferings.
Now, do dig even deeper, I'm going to touch a painful and controversial subject. It is what many called being possessed. Others did indeed accuse me of this "crime." I didn't believe I was possessed, but at one point I thought God wanted me to tell someone else I had a demon in me because it was the only way to get that person to come and pray for me. I was afraid that an exorcism would be a horrible experience for me, but I was wrong. And the prayers of two pastors relieved my oppression instantly, gave me back my sense of judgment, and let Christ's Spirit in me be in charge. But it didn't all last completely. I was still ill. Only medication relieved me of my state, and that just as quickly as the prayer (it was an injection, so it worked fast). I could say more about what followed; it wasn't pretty. The mental illness as a whole was not gone, I just wasn't manic anymore.
Anyway, I want to say more about this possession idea. Some say Christians can't be possessed. Others say they can. I read an interesting book by an exorcist that said that some saints have been possessed at times. It was a humbling experience for them, and that seems to be the reason for what they went through. I am no longer afraid of being possessed, because even should I be at any time, demons cannot separate me from the love of God. If Satan can (only with God's permission can he) come into my body and speak lies and blasphemies out of my mouth, I am not responsible for what he did in me. God knows it is not me, but sin within me, doing these things.
Furthermore, the fear is more removed from me by a change in terminology. I cannot be possessed by Satan or a demon because I am the possession of the Trinity, bought and paid for. My pastor uses the term "demonized." Demonization has different levels of severity, and rarely does it inflict a person to the point of possession. And if you read the accounts of the possessed in the Bible, you will see that Jesus always treated them as victims, not (as many Christians would accuse) as criminals. He cast out the demons, never said a word against the victim, and cleaned and cleared every one of them. In some instances he even used the word "healed." Some today think that possession was just another word back then for mental illness. While I don't swallow the entire claim, I think that in some cases it is.
My illness, especially when I am particularly sick, makes me more vulnerable to the spirit realm. When I am manic, my faith might be stronger, but I am also liable to be deceived and oppressed, even demonized. But because of the fire I have been through, I have no terror of being there again. My God has carried me through it, and if I have to face it again and again, I will. For He will carry me, I know from experience. Of course, I take care of myself and fight the illness, and have reached a point in my medical care where I may never be severely manic again. Thank God! But it's worth having gone through insanity to overcome the fear of insanity. The devil can touch me, but he cannot destroy me. This is none of my doing. It is only God's.

I don't believe I have ever told anyone about the "spy mission," in so many words. Thinking it was the greatest of all time would cause some to say I had delusions of grandeur. That's okay. I had many such delusions in my drugged and manic state. But if I have helped you by this, Monica, I don't think that the words I heard from Jesus were hyperbole after all. If you see the spy mission as something bigger than my own adventures--if many are involved in it somehow, then I heard from Him aright. If I didn't, that's okay. It helped me. How else could I have known I would be deceived and thought possessed, and still keep myself in peace and trust? Neither would have been possible under the circumstances with any other words, I think. God is good. Always.

Love to you always, Monica, and to everyone who reads these words. I am able to bear my soul to you people as to no one else. I appreciate it more deeply than you can know.

God bless you Robin.
In the midst of a lot of worry yesterday, Jesus gave me Isaiah chapter 54. Maybe you could read it...I think it would bless you for sure.:pray:
 
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me too!

*Hugs for Jesus* :hug::hug::hug::hug::hug:

Everyone:

So I thought I would give you a little up date...

remember around a mouth ago I told you my sugar levels weren't that great? well about a week ago i went to the doctor and she took some blood which is supposed to check your blood levels over the past 6 months and the report came back, "excellent!"

maybe my meter is messed up or something. maybe I was jsut sick. beats me. thanks for the prayers!

I'm having fun learning how to put togther a power point presentation using my art and looking up scripture vrs to go along with the pics. found a really moving music piece. wish you all could see and hear it.

Oh one more thing: publishamerica accepted my manuscript but they won't publish the illustrations in color. Now I might go with self publishing after all like I did my stations of the cross booklet.
 
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