LOST - Episode 6:1 & 6:2 (2/2/10) - LA X

So, will "dead John" be back alive?

How did the head of the temple know to break the symbol found in the guitar case? What else did that paper say on it?

If the temple people now know that the Losties are supposed to be there, with Jacob's blessings...why are they still hostile to them? Well, not now, now they are in a panic to make a perimeter of ash.

More and more questions keep coming to mind.

We're seeing how unchanged some people are....well, those who we see on the plane.

Charlie didn't get to have the redeeming experience of the island, and kick his habit.

Kate also didn't get influenced for good by the island. Sawyer (on the plane) seems to maybe be scheming about Hurley.

Jin...well, Jin and Sun....totally pre-island style on their part. No redemptive work of the island.

It reminds me a tiny bit of It's a Wonderful Life, where George Bailey gets to see what life would have been like if he'd never been born.

About the Desmond Charlie thing...on Jimmy Kimmel last night, the exec producers said it was just a coincidence and had no important meaning.

sf49erfan said:

I think maybe Smokie can borrow the form of a dead person. Remember he appeared as Eko's brother too.

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oh okay.

so now we have mysterious MIB looking like John Lock,but not using his body. He is the smoke monster, right?

Along the same principle, does anyone else wonder if Sayid is really Sayid or maybe Jacob?

appleofhiseye said:

oh okay.

so now we have mysterious MIB looking like John Lock,but not using his body. He is the smoke monster, right?

Along the same principle, does anyone else wonder if Sayid is really Sayid or maybe Jacob?

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Oh! I thought about that too. If mib is appearing as someone else...why not Jacob? I'm so glad you said this.

LovesToBless said:

We're seeing how unchanged some people are....well, those who we see on the plane.

Charlie didn't get to have the redeeming experience of the island, and kick his habit.

Kate also didn't get influenced for good by the island. Sawyer (on the plane) seems to maybe be scheming about Hurley.

Jin...well, Jin and Sun....totally pre-island style on their part. No redemptive work of the island.

It reminds me a tiny bit of It's a Wonderful Life, where George Bailey gets to see what life would have been like if he'd never been born.

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Yeah, good thought.
And Sun and Jin may not have a baby, either.

appleofhiseye said:

oh okay.

so now we have mysterious MIB looking like John Lock,but not using his body. He is the smoke monster, right?

Along the same principle, does anyone else wonder if Sayid is really Sayid or maybe Jacob?

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That's exactly what I was thinking about Sayid. Maybe Sayid has been "resurrected" as Jacob, just like Samuel took over John's body.

Are the people in the temple the "others"?

Sojourner1 said:

That's exactly what I was thinking about Sayid. Maybe Sayid has been "resurrected" as Jacob, just like Samuel took over John's body.

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Where did we find out his name is Samuel?

LovesToBless said:

So, will "dead John" be back alive?

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I don't think he will... I think dead is dead, and Locke is gone.

How did the head of the temple know to break the symbol found in the guitar case? What else did that paper say on it?

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I was thinking back to the scene we saw of the plane breaking up in the air, and how the Others reacted. Ben sent Ethan and Goodwin off to the survivors, and said, "I want lists in three days" and we know Ben was taking his orders from Jacob (how, I don't know).

So I think when they did the little roll call last night, their names were on that paper, and I think it was one of the lists Ben/Jacob asked for. The ankh must be a communication device Jacob has used before, as it's on his statue as well.

If the temple people now know that the Losties are supposed to be there, with Jacob's blessings...why are they still hostile to them? Well, not now, now they are in a panic to make a perimeter of ash.

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I think in general they don't trust visitors to their island. At the end, I got the impression they had their agenda set and were not going to let anything get in the way of it, but they were trying to be polite about their requests.

LovesToBless said:

Jin...well, Jin and Sun....totally pre-island style on their part. No redemptive work of the island.

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Did anyone catch that, at Customs, they called Sun "Ms. Pike" and not "Mrs. Kwon"? I'm not sure they are even married in that version of reality.

appleofhiseye said:

so now we have mysterious MIB looking like John Lock,but not using his body. He is the smoke monster, right?

Along the same principle, does anyone else wonder if Sayid is really Sayid or maybe Jacob?

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Yeah I think the MIB/smokey can take on the appearance of dead people who end up on the island. This would explain why he looked like Christian and Eko's brother, both of whose corpses were on the island, and why Ms. Hawking insisted to Jack that Locke's body had to go back to the island too. I think she is working with him in some way, the same way that Ilana's crew was working with/for Jacob.

Sojourner1 said:

Are the people in the temple the "others"?

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Yup, I think they are the original Others, before Dharma Others crossed over to join them.

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Has anyone found any significance to the episode being called "LA X"? Obviously it's a play on LAX, the airport, but what else could the X mean? I thought at first it was like the "Oceanic 6" but the "Los Angeles 10" instead, but the numbers of passengers we saw didn't add up. What else could it be? Like an X on a treasure map, X marks the spot?

LovesToBless said:

Where did we find out his name is Samuel?

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Whoops...I read that his name was Samuel somewhere online but you're right, his name hasn't been revealed yet.

So last night I was thinking about the whole nemesis = smoke monster thing, and I realized something. Let’s assume that every occurrence of dead people showing up randomly is actually the nemesis. This is a pretty safe assumption, since we know he’s done at least some of them. Let’s also assume that his plan to masquerade as Locke and have Ben kill Jacob started well before Locke left the island.

Yemi to Eko - asks for repentance, then kills him. While it’s unclear how this fits in with the nemesis’ plans, it confirms that the smoke monster has appeared as other people too.
Alex to Ben - tells Ben that he has to follow Locke and do anything asked of him, or be “destroyed”. Beyond forcing obedience, this fosters Ben’s hatred of Locke.
Walt to Locke – appears to Locke and says “get up, you have work to do”.
Christian to Locke- tells Locke the island needs to be moved. Tells Locke that Ben shouldn’t have done it, and he needs to. (Which threw Lock off the Island, giving Ben the chance to kill him and thus Nemesis to inhabit his body.)
Locke to everyone – no explanation needed.

However, there are a couple of other appearances that don’t seem to serve any purpose.

Christian to Jack – appears at a distance, disappears
David to Hurley – they run around the forest, he hits Hurley with a shoe. What’s the point?
Horse to Kate – unknown if this was actually the smoke monster
Christian to Michael – he saved several key people, but how does that fit in with nemesis’ plans?

There are also off-island appearances.

Charlie to Hurley – seen several times
Eko to Hurley – playing chess
Christian to Jack – can’t remember details, did this actually happen or did we think it was going to?



It’s hard to say how all of this fits in. Is the nemesis’ plan actually so complex and advanced that he’s able to manipulate Hurley through Charlie, and other similar things? We don’t know that it’s all actually him, though. Some could be Jacob for all we know, though he doesn’t seem shy about appearing as himself either.

Jack did see Christian off the island, when he was drugging after they got off the island. I think it was in the hospital waiting room late at night last season.

I also wondered if Jacob was responsible for some of the visions we saw. My other thought was that the MIB might have been testing the waters, looking for the right person to fulfill his plans - so he tested Locke, he tested Eko (and found him wanting), he tested maybe even Charlie and Hurley. Although I think Dave was a figment of Hurley's imagination and not a real person.

The best part of last night was being confused all over again

snoochface said:

Definitely, but I also think somehow (no idea how) the two parallels are going to join up with each other at some point.

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The Wikipedia entry for this episode bifurcated the events as happening in 2004 and 2007 with the safe landing at LAX occuring in the former and the temple/MIB story occuring in the latter.

USincognito said:

The Wikipedia entry for this episode bifurcated the events as happening in 2004 and 2007 with the safe landing at LAX occuring in the former and the temple/MIB story occuring in the latter.

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That's true, they are happening 3 years apart, but I'm having a hard time working out the sequence of events without breaking the space-time continuum, LOL.

They blew up Jughead in 1977 and were thrown forward in time to 2007, which is where the current island activity is occurring.

In doing so, the "it worked" that Juliet mentioned caused the plane to land in LA in 2004 with different fates - Hurley's a lucky man in 2004 because, with the island at the bottom of the sea after the explosion, the numbers are no longer bad luck to him, for example.

But at some point, they have to get to the island in order to have the 2007 events occur (Locke has to die so MIB can assume his identity and kill Jacob). For that matter, they have to get to the island in order to skip through time, get back to 1977, and blow up Jughead.

And that's about the time that my head explodes and I just wait for the next episode.

Pants flying, heads exploding! Gee, do they know what they're doing to us?

I suspect they do, and that's why they do it!

Well, one things for sure. The writers of Lost better be on point when it comes to finale. They should understand and appreciate that it will be the one thing that unites all viewers of Lost.... finally understanding what has been happening all this time.

I mean... remember when we saw those two Portuguese guys chilling out in the Arctic at one of the season finales? And they located a "signal"? Did we ever find out if there was any significance to their location?

Weren't they in the same place that Charlotte went and found the polar bear with the Dharma symbol on it, around the time she was being recruited for the freighter?