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The world depression came in on the heals of the Roaring Twenties, Speak-easies, a sexual revolution, and ramped credit.

Hitler came in on European anti-semitism, evolutionary ideology, and a rise of nationalistic socialism.

Do you actually not see the present depression and rise of unemployment could in fact usher in the ANTI-CHRIST as prophesied in Revelations. The fate of all other nations rests in how they treat Israel and how they react to GOD's warnings...
What warnings, exactly? All I see are natural and man-made disasters. Everything that's wrong and right with this world is because of us. I see no hint of divine wrath, and the legal recognition of same-sex marriage (which is a very modern thing) has had no discernible effects.

Unless, of course, you're comparing the Holocaust a man's desire to marry whom he loves.
 
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Do you actually not see the present depression and rise of unemployment could in fact usher in the ANTI-CHRIST as prophesied in Revelations. The fate of all other nations rests in how they treat Israel and how they react to GOD's warnings...
OH MAN ITS A GOOD THING WE HAVE THOSE FALLOUT SHELTERS HAHA
Unless the AntiChrist is Obama. Barackstar! Ye-ah!
Also, I disagree! Religion in the US is on the rise! We must be careful lest a unified theocracy arises in the US and produces a THIRD, REAL(est) MESSIAH! They'll just say the second one was that dude who founded LDS.
Or maybe since Israel is pretty much beating the Palestinians into a pulp, maybe the bible will be right when the number of Jews in the world increases to the point where they ARE AS NUMEROUS AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN! WHICH I THINK IS 10^20! I'M NOT KIDDING!

Unfortunately, some of this corruption found its way into fundamentalism and mainline Christianity (to our shame).
Examples would be nice.

The reality is that the worst years for the mistreatment of blacks ran from after the Civil War until the 1940's. The racial shift began as Fundamentalist Christianity of the 1940's began to move away from evolutionary thought.
That's debatable. The whole slavery thing probably wasn't great, and the 50s and early 60s were probably also degrading to blacks as well.
One must remember that our two ideas are compatible. Evolution and Christianity could be combined into a better end product. If we worked together, we could upgrade the universe!

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Homosexuals (the political party) do not want to be accepted because then they would lose their voice.

Oh, so the unacceptance of mainstream Christianity causes their voice to be heard well enough to pass Prop 8?
 
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What warnings, exactly? All I see are natural and man-made disasters. Everything that's wrong and right with this world is because of us. I see no hint of divine wrath, and the legal recognition of same-sex marriage (which is a very modern thing) has had no discernible effects.

Unless, of course, you're comparing the Holocaust a man's desire to marry whom he loves.

Yes, and man insists he can fix everything. And GOD is proving to us that all man can do without GOD is screw everything up more and more...
 
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Darwinism was used by the "sophisticated" to interpret the Bible. Unfortunately, some of this corruption found its way into fundamentalism and mainline Christianity (to our shame).

Christians interpreting the story of Noah and his curse on Ham's son Canaan (and his descendants) helped perpetuate slavery and segregation. That had nothing to do with Darwinism.

In any event, you're saying the Bible can be interpreted in various ways. What proves one interpretation is more correct than another?
 
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Christians interpreting the story of Noah and his curse on Ham's son Canaan (and his descendants) helped perpetuate slavery and segregation. That had nothing to do with Darwinism.

In any event, you're saying the Bible can be interpreted in various ways. What proves one interpretation is more correct than another?

That excuse was used to a degree; however, the lynching and murders and worse came mostly by the 1880's and 1890's.

The problem is that Ham is the father of the Canaanites (Sodomites) and Greeks...
 
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Homosexuals (the political party) do not want to be accepted because then they would lose their voice.

:confused:

I was unaware of a homosexual political party. Why would they lose their voice if they where accepted? If they where accepted I would think they would have more of a voice because they could reach out to those who formerly did not accept them.
 
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Homosexuals (the political party) do not want to be accepted because then they would lose their voice.

Out of curiosity, since when is there a "Homosexual Political Party"? Do they have a website or some other form of organization? How would one join if they wished?

But seriously, wouldn't acceptance of a party as such mean they would receive more voice? As acceptance of a party means more coverage and a larger base, which sums to a larger propensity to be heard by the majority (aka more of a voice).
 
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Christians seek to call those afflicted with unhealthy lifestyles, including unhealthy sexual lifestyles, to the truth. Like those inclined to sex outside marriage, to adultery, etc, those with homosexual inclinations are called to chastity outside marriage and fidelity within it (should they choose to marry persons of the opposite sex). This can be a difficult road, but it is the only one which leads to spiritual health - the outcome of which is eternal life with God in heaven.

He who knows the truth is his 'brothers' keeper'. If those who know the truth are negligent or weak and compromising, then the greater harm that results will be more upon their final resume than upon those who did not know better or who needed to be encouraged to repentance and change.

As Christians today, we will face persecution and ridicule for standing up for marriage between only a man and a woman, but it is essential that the truth be spoken for the spiritual betterment of our brothers and sisters.
 
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I would think if one truly believed, as you posit above, they wouldn't care about the detractors because those people have no way of hurting them or their faith. Rather, much like Christ told the disciples to do, they'd merely shake the dirt from their feet and walk away. That isn't saying you wouldn't want to share your story with those who are receptive, but it is clear you are not talking about people who would be receptive to such a message. Typically, it is those whose faith is the weakest who are the ones that feel the need to defend everything about their faith because they feel so threatened by the attacks.

I hope that this was not a veiled cheap-shot with that last line. :confused:

To answer your question, it is not my priority or job to convince or persuade anyone of the Gospel or the validity of God's commandments. This is God's work through the Holy Spirit. As the verses I posted say, he will draw his own to him and open their eyes to the truth. What I am required to do is stated in the Great Commission (Matthew 28:16-20); to this command I must be obedient. This is concerning evangelism.

With reference to apologetics, yes, because I believe in the validity and exclusivity of my faith, I will defend it in the public and private spheres. 1 Timothy is quite clear about apologetics and defending against false doctrine and blasphemy.

OTOH, for those who don't believe as you do there is nothing in the New Testament to state that you should force those people to stop sinning, much less to pass law to make sin illegal.

Despite what others may have said in this thread, I do not believe the civil authorities should pass laws against homosexuality that is practiced in the privacy of adults' bedrooms. I don't think that I ever said I did believe in this.
 
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Yes, and man insists he can fix everything. And GOD is proving to us that all man can do without GOD is screw everything up more and more...
Really? Because man has increased his life span from 18 to 72, colonised the whole world, invented refrigeration, anaesthesia, global telecommunications, eradicated entire diseases. Our quality of life and social liberties, at least in the developed countries, are beyond anything that has gone before it.

And, to top it off, we've left the Earth.

Yep, without God, man is screwing everything up.
 
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Christians seek to call those afflicted with unhealthy lifestyles, including unhealthy sexual lifestyles, to the truth. Like those inclined to sex outside marriage, to adultery, etc, those with homosexual inclinations are called to chastity outside marriage and fidelity within it (should they choose to marry persons of the opposite sex).
In what way is same-sex sex unhealthy? Or same-sex marriage, for that matter?

He who knows the truth is his 'brothers' keeper'. If those who know the truth are negligent or weak and compromising, then the greater harm that results will be more upon their final resume than upon those who did not know better or who needed to be encouraged to repentance and change.

As Christians today, we will face persecution and ridicule for standing up for marriage between only a man and a woman, but it is essential that the truth be spoken for the spiritual betterment of our brothers and sisters.
Yes, you've spoken up. But if people want to engage in same-sex marriage nonetheless, do you have the right to enforce your beliefs in law? Surely people have the right to choose for themselves, rather than have a near-theocracy restrict what is, by all appearances, a victimless crime?
 
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In what way is same-sex sex unhealthy? Or same-sex marriage, for that matter?


Yes, you've spoken up. But if people want to engage in same-sex marriage nonetheless, do you have the right to enforce your beliefs in law? Surely people have the right to choose for themselves, rather than have a near-theocracy restrict what is, by all appearances, a victimless crime?

One does not put the male part where it is supposed to fit and is always putting it were it wasn't intended to go.
 
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I hope that this was not a veiled cheap-shot with that last line. :confused:

Nothing veiled, just making a comment on what I have learned.

To answer your question, it is not my priority or job to convince or persuade anyone of the Gospel or the validity of God's commandments. This is God's work through the Holy Spirit. As the verses I posted say, he will draw his own to him and open their eyes to the truth. What I am required to do is stated in the Great Commission (Matthew 28:16-20); to this command I must be obedient. This is concerning evangelism.

Except you weren't talking about those that had not heard, rather you said you were talking about "detractors".

With reference to apologetics, yes, because I believe in the validity and exclusivity of my faith, I will defend it in the public and private spheres. 1 Timothy is quite clear about apologetics and defending against false doctrine and blasphemy.

And Paul was speaking about defending the faith within the church, to keep false teaching out of the church. It does not talk about correcting non-Christians "false doctrine".

Despite what others may have said in this thread, I do not believe the civil authorities should pass laws against homosexuality that is practiced in the privacy of adults' bedrooms. I don't think that I ever said I did believe in this.

The problem is that most Christians talk about being against gay marriage to "stop sin". LittleNipper on this thread has claimed that gays are trying to mock God and that is why they want to marry. The entire logic that stopping gay marriage is to limit sin is nothing more than a red herring. As you point out, if you want to stop homosexual sin you have to prohibit them from having sex, not allowing them to marry does nothing towards stopping sin.
 
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One does not put the male part where it is supposed to fit and is always putting it were it wasn't intended to go.
Regardless, why does it bother you if people want to put it to other uses? It doesn't affect you in any way, shape, or form, and there is more to same-sex relationships than the "male part", just as there is more to opposite-sex relationships.
 
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One does not put the male part where it is supposed to fit and is always putting it were it wasn't intended to go.

Do you have a problem with people who wear glasses? They constantly use their ears and their nose for a function that they were not built for: holding weight (specifically glasses)?
 
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Honestly it's not our business.

As to why people dislike it so much, well they can't get their heads around it. A lot of people haven't accepted that it's now far more than just an act. It's a lifestyle and there are people that are very happy living it!

Sure go ahead snub me for saying this. But at least I know that as a Christian we are taught to judge ourselves and not others. There are several scriptures on this people(christians)!

Luke 6:37-42 [37] "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. [38] Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." [39] He also told them this parable: "Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit? [40] A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher. [41] "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? [42] How can you say to your brother, `Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

Do these scriptures mean NOTHING when it comes to this topic? I'm sure some Christian homosexuals see these scriputres and their heart breaks...and they would continue to wonder why, when it comes to their rights, so many Christians overlook these scriptures...
 
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Except you weren't talking about those that had not heard, rather you said you were talking about "detractors".

I included both, actually. Detractors who are non-believers more often than not throw out various forms of abuses and blasphemies against the beliefs of Christians that they do not like. Scripture is profitable for rebuking both those and false teachers within the church who pedal false doctrine.

Acts 18:5-7

5 When Silas and Timothy had come from Macedonia, Paul was compelled by the Spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus is the Christ. 6 But when they opposed him and blasphemed, he shook his garments and said to them, &#8220;Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.&#8221; 7 And he departed from there and entered the house of a certain man named Justus, one who worshiped God, whose house was next door to the synagogue.

In the passage preceding this, which is hinted at in verse 5, Paul and Silas were defending the faith against non-believers. Eventually they did shake the dust from themselves and move on. Paul goes on to instruct Timothy about false doctrine within the church:

1 Timothy 6:20-21

20 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge&#8212; 21 by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith.
Grace be with you. Amen.

In his second letter to Timothy, Paul speaks on what Scripture is good for and how his young charge should equip himself:

2 Timothy 3:14-17

14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

I consider doctrinally-correct apologetics one of the "good works" for which a Christian must be prepared and equipped. Indeed, in chapter 4 he goes on to exhort Timothy to preach and rebuke using the Word.

Finally, we have Paul instructing the church at Colossae:

Colossians 4:5-6


5 Walk in wisdom toward those who are outside, redeeming the time. 6 Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.

As well as Peter, to the diaspora:

1 Peter 3:15-17

15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; 16 having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed. 17 For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.

And Paul was speaking about defending the faith within the church, to keep false teaching out of the church. It does not talk about correcting non-Christians "false doctrine".

The false doctrine of people in the church and the blasphemy of outsiders if you are wanting to get down to semantics.

I should also like to add that in the process of apologetics is a chance to minister to non-believers. They are not always mutually exclusive. So, by engaging in apologetics, a Christian is also fulfilling the Great Commission. Christians can hope and pray that God opens the minds and hearts of non-believers in this too. Now, as is apparent in the passage from Acts, there is a point where they must stop and shake the dust off.

If this isn't the reason why you are debating this point, what is? Do you think Christians should not speak out against falsities and blasphemies which come from non-believers?
 
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In what way is same-sex sex unhealthy? Or same-sex marriage, for that matter?
There are most definitely significantly more health risks in homosexual sex than with heterosexual sex. I can only address a few of them without violating the rules of CF about explicit text.

The Gay and Lesbian Medical Association (GLMA) published a press release entitled "Ten Things Gay Men Should Discuss with Their Health Care Providers" (July 17, 2002), Gay Lesbian Medical Association releases/n02071710gaythings.html. The list includes: HIV/AIDS (Safe Sex), Substance Use, Depression/ Anxiety, Hepatitis Immunization, STDs, Prostate/ Testicular/Colon Cancer, Alcohol, Tobacco, Fitness and Anal Papilloma.

Prior to the AIDS epidemic, a 1978 study found that 75 percent of white, gay males claimed to have had more than 100 lifetime male sex partners: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed 250-499; 15 percent claimed 500- 999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners. Levels of promiscuity subsequently declined, but some observers are concerned that promiscuity is again approaching the levels of the 1970s. The medical consequence of this promiscuity is that gays have a greatly increased likelihood of contracting HIV/AIDS, syphilis and other STDs.

source: Alan P. Bell and Martin S. Weinberg, Homosexualities: A study of Diversity Among Men and Women, p. 308, Table 7, New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978.

Similar extremes of promiscuity have not been documented among lesbians. However, an Australian study found that 93 percent of lesbians reported having had sex with men, and lesbians were 4.5 times more likely than heterosexual women to have had more than 50 lifetime male sex partners. Any degree of sexual promiscuity carries the risk of contracting STDs.

Katherine Fethers, Caron Marks, et al., "Sexually transmitted infections and risk behaviours in women who have sex with women," Sexually Transmitted Infections, 76(5): 345- 349, p. 347 (October 2000).

Common sexual practices among gay men lead to numerous STDs and physical injuries, some of which are virtually unknown in the heterosexual population. Listing them in detail would violate the rules of CF.

It is well established that there are high rates of psychiatric illnesses, including depression, drug abuse, and suicide attempts, among gays and lesbians. This is true even in the Netherlands, where gay, lesbian and bisexual (GLB) relationships are far more socially acceptable than in the U.S. Depression and drug abuse are strongly associated with risky sexual practices that lead to serious medical problems.

source: "Tracking the Hidden Epidemics: Trends in STDs in the United States, 2000," Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), available at www.cdc.gov.

"Experts believe syphilis is on the rise among gay and bisexual men because they are engaging in unprotected sex with multiple partners, many of whom they met in anonymous situations such as sex clubs, adult bookstores, meetings through the Internet and in bathhouses. The new data will show that in the 93 cases involving gay and bisexual men this year, the group reported having 1,225 sexual partners." Figures from a study presented at the Infectious Diseases Society of America meeting in San Francisco and reported by Christopher Heredia, "Big spike in cases of syphilis in S.F.: Gay, bisexual men affected most," San Francisco Chronicle, October 26, 2001, www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/10/26/MN7489 3.DTL.

I think you get the point.

Yes, you've spoken up. But if people want to engage in same-sex marriage nonetheless, do you have the right to enforce your beliefs in law? Surely people have the right to choose for themselves, rather than have a near-theocracy restrict what is, by all appearances, a victimless crime?

I don't know if I'd call it a crime, but its certain immoral and its most definately not victimless. When sexual activity is practiced outside of marriage, the consequences can be quite serious. This is true not only for homosexual sex, but also with adultry, premarital sex, etc - all are sin. If I have a brother who is repeatedly sinning and I think I can help them then I am responsible before God to do so. Keep in mind, that I am not free from sin so I'm not trying to cast stones but I certainly feel its imperative to speak the truth.
 
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