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Believe in a bone, but not the Bible...

Don't yall realize this is the ultimate goal of all science theory (not science in general), no matter what the subject?


I will put my faith in God, not man.
Go ahead and tell us the "ultimate goal" of all science theory... this should be good.
BTW, The Bible was written by Men, therefore, your faith is in those Men, not God.

I would argue the same with geologists. Did you know that when something more recent is found under a more ancient finding, especially in buried cities, it is ignored for the sake of the theory?

Theory is a dangerous game....where man is present so is deceit.
Nice display of unfounded accusations you just made up .. what does the Bible call that again?.... Bearing False Witness against your neighbor? That's a sin, right?

I don't discount the dinosaur, but it did walk with man. Geology is a waste of unproven findings and ignorant theory.
Says the guy who knows nothing about geology, but likes to brake one of the Ten Commandments when it suits him.
It is more real than what yall are sayin..it is in the Book and nothing in the Book has ever been disproved.

That's only because it it seems that there is an error or contradiction, it must be explained away because you assume the Bible is inerrant in the first place... right?
 
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If geology/evolution or anything else goes against one word of the Bible, then it is just pretend and you spent time and money learning the lie.

Yes, they're all lies. Everyone is against you. Nothing is real unless it was written down thousands of years ago, interpretted and misinterpretted, and reprinted in so many different fashions that no two versions are exactly alike. ^_^


There are not enough facepalms in the world to describe the rediculousness of your statement. :doh:
 
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What about...

The Taylor Trail, McFall Trail, Ryals Track, Morris Track, Burdick Track

Of course all of these have been "disproved" by geologist and evolutionists because if ANY of these were legit, two major "worldly" theories would fall to the waste side.

These were not given the same "non-opinionated" study as the dinosaur tracks RIGHT beside them in some cases. The dinosaur tracks were studied with the mind-frame of "proving" the authenticity, where these human tracks were studied with the mind frame of "disproving" them. If something is found to further these opinions then it becomes some great discovery, but when something is found that might make these "scientists" stop and think...well, best to just cover it back up or destroy its credibility...which is what yall are fixin to do to this post.

That's why all those "purty" words yall are using are better for SCI-FI than actual science. There is no open-mindness for any discoveries that goes against the pretend man-made rule. I have no respect for evolution or geology...go dust the dirt from the monkey and leave the Bible alone.

Do you know the difference between a hole in the ground and a dinosuar tract? I'm guessing not. Neither do most "creation scientists."
 
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Go ahead and tell us the "ultimate goal" of all science theory... this should be good.



That's only because it it seems that there is an error or contradiction, it must be explained away because you assume the Bible is inerrant in the first place... right?


To prove that there is no God or that God is limited by physical law. Now I am not talking about medicine or technology (though at times these try to mimic God).

Look, I can see this is going nowhere except taking pot shots at each other (I myself and guilty of this). If we can not agree that every word in the Bible is true and is from God and not man, then we are wasting each other's time.

I am here to learn other's opinions on God, Jesus Christ, and the Word, not to argue with science or to listen to the knowledge, not wisdom, of the world...it is my own fault of letting yall drag me down into this discussion. I thought maybe there were some Christians discussing this topic from a more spiritual stand point, but I see the only truth is too old fashion for this thread.

Peace....
 
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What about...

The Taylor Trail, McFall Trail, Ryals Track, Morris Track, Burdick Track

Of course all of these have been "disproved" by geologist and evolutionists because if ANY of these were legit, two major "worldly" theories would fall to the waste side.

These were not given the same "non-opinionated" study as the dinosaur tracks RIGHT beside them in some cases. The dinosaur tracks were studied with the mind-frame of "proving" the authenticity, where these human tracks were studied with the mind frame of "disproving" them. If something is found to further these opinions then it becomes some great discovery, but when something is found that might make these "scientists" stop and think...well, best to just cover it back up or destroy its credibility...which is what yall are fixin to do to this post.

That's why all those "purty" words yall are using are better for SCI-FI than actual science. There is no open-mindness for any discoveries that goes against the pretend man-made rule. I have no respect for evolution or geology...go dust the dirt from the monkey and leave the Bible alone.


No, they have been disproved because they are fake.

I know that you really believe what you are saying, and it may be hard to let a different concept in. But just think on this for a bit. You seem like a guy who would value some common sense, when you see the way of things.

Here are some basic observations about scientists, and science.

Scientists are VERY competitive. You might compare them to professional athletes. Sure, some work in teams; but teams compete, and within the team people try for prominence.

People go into sports and succeed because they love the game. People go into research because they are curious people who want to learn things, and like to know how things work, and are lured on by the thrill of discovery.

Scientists work in countries and cultures around the world. Many of them have only a dim notion of what Christians may think if any; and dont care one way or another. They are not out to disprove anything about their beliefs any more than you are our to show the Bantu how to cook.

To cover up a discovery ( like human / dinosaur track together) would require a conspiracy that could never hold together! To keep hiding discoveries that humans and dinosaurs lived together would involve so many people in so many places including China, that its just totally beyond the possible.

Finally... the person who did the careful work and got the data that proved that people and dinos DID walk together would have made the greatest scientific discovery of all time. It just makes no sense that someone would fake data or ignore that, and pass up the chance to be the one who made that discovery.


Hoie you will give the above a bit of open minded thought.
 
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To prove that there is no God or that God is limited by physical law.

Science can make no assertions about the existence, nature, or power of a supernatural being that is not observable. The idea that science is "against" god, or that science tries to prove there is "no god", is nothing more than a persecution complex by people who don't understand what they are talking about.


Now I am not talking about medicine or technology (though at times these try to mimic God).

Look, I can see this is going nowhere except taking pot shots at each other (I myself and guilty of this). If we can not agree that every word in the Bible is true and is from God and not man, then we are wasting each other's time.

I am here to learn other's opinions on God, Jesus Christ, and the Word, not to argue with science or to listen to the knowledge, not wisdom, of the world...it is my own fault of letting yall drag me down into this discussion. I thought maybe there were some Christians discussing this topic from a more spiritual stand point, but I see the only truth is too old fashion for this thread.

Peace....

Ok then. Bye bye now.
 
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.it is my own fault of letting yall drag me down into this discussion. I thought maybe there were some Christians discussing this topic from a more spiritual stand point, but I see the only truth is too old fashion for this thread.

Peace....

If its being "dragged down" to talk about things, well that is sad. And of course insulting.

BTW, as for your idea that nothing in the bible was ever disproved. well, the bible shows that Pi is 3.0

so what do you think about that, my friend?
 
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To prove that there is no God or that God is limited by physical law. Now I am not talking about medicine or technology (though at times these try to mimic God).

Look, I can see this is going nowhere except taking pot shots at each other (I myself and guilty of this). If we can not agree that every word in the Bible is true and is from God and not man, then we are wasting each other's time.

I am here to learn other's opinions on God, Jesus Christ, and the Word, not to argue with science or to listen to the knowledge, not wisdom, of the world...it is my own fault of letting yall drag me down into this discussion. I thought maybe there were some Christians discussing this topic from a more spiritual stand point, but I see the only truth is too old fashion for this thread.

Peace....
One last thing for you to think about before you go:
Let us assume the Bible is indeed God's Word. The Bible, however, does not say Adam walked with dinosaurs... you interpret it to make that claim. Is your interpretation of the Bible God's Word? Is it inerrant?
 
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Can anyone say rounding?

Sure! I can say it fine, and I know just what it means. I find that a lot of Christians have a really hard time with this tho.

I have heard several mutually contradictory explanations for this problem, to show that the numbers actually are correct. Instead of just agreeing of course, the numbers are approximate.

After all... there is no reason to worry about how big the thing was, to the last decimal place. And no possible way to make precise measurements with cubits, or to have built the thing so exactly. So, yep, round it off, say approximately what it was.

So... all that aside... the point as I see it has to do with whether the bible and the things it says are ACCURATE or APPROXIMATE. WE had a poster who said nothing in it has ever been disproved. I just disproved something with a few words, did I not?

Regarding things said in the bible...
If they are approximate, are they true? How approximate can you be and still be accurate enough? What else is approximate but not really accurate or true? Any of it? All of it? How wrong can it be and still be a perfect sacred book?

I think that is what bothers people who have to try to make the numbers exactly correct.
 
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There's one here, that he and I like to try to insult eachother with terrible racial slurs., just to horrify other people. Its funny, people dont know what they are supposed to say if two "minority" people are being so insensitive!
:D I'm intrigued, what terrible racial slurs do Chinese and Koreans throw at each other?

Smart girl. What you said is exactly true.
Not much smartness involved there, just a bit of common sense and a semester of geology ;)

Why does this quote make me see images of grandpa patting his five-year-old granddaughter on the head?

There are things in sedimentary rocks (in fact, in most rocks), that came into existence after the rock is made. (you may think them as bacteria live in the rock)
Of course. Why did you bring this up?

Believe in a bone, but not the Bible...

Don't yall realize this is the ultimate goal of all science theory (not science in general), no matter what the subject?
Excuse me. Exactly what kind of a science education do you have?

Just asking because I'm a science student and... well, let's just say that your opinion here doesn't agree with my experience.

I don't discount the dinosaur, but it did walk with man. Geology is a waste of unproven findings and ignorant theory.
Once again, I ask how much you actually know about geology.
 
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I am here to learn other's opinions on God, Jesus Christ, and the Word, not to argue with science or to listen to the knowledge, not wisdom, of the world...
Then (1) it would be a better idea to just ask their opinion instead of taking pot shots and (2) the crevo section may not be the best place to hang out ;)

Peace....
That I can't argue with ^_^
 
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:D I'm intrigued, what terrible racial slurs do Chinese and Koreans throw at each other?

Not much smartness involved there, just a bit of common sense and a semester of geology ;)

Why does this quote make me see images of grandpa patting his five-year-old granddaughter on the head?

Of course. Why did you bring this up?

Excuse me. Exactly what kind of a science education do you have?

Just asking because I'm a science student and... well, let's just say that your opinion here doesn't agree with my experience.

Once again, I ask how much you actually know about geology.


Oh we just make up insults. All Koreans do x, Chinese science is better than Korean, N Koreans go to China to make the IQ of each country better, that sort of thing. Or if you are in the elevator, say "you cant get on this elevator is for white people."

Right on about the "smart girl". Not even one semester of geology needed to know that much. Sure not enough for someone to get all condescending about "smart girl" (puke puke)

we'd all like to hear about the highest degree of education in creation petrology etc. Just to know where all this condescention comes from.
 
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There is no animal like that nor was there ever. No more than the Cyclops, the hippogriph, mermaid, bigfoot, chupacabre etc and so on.
Guilt by association. If there is no reason to doubt the creature recorded in the bible, (do you have any to share with us?) then doing so is purely personal incredulity!

So, why go on your hunches, and over ride God, for no apparent reason? Bizarre.
 
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God created the earth, animals, the universe, et al and it developed and as you would put it, evolved. God created each species at the time He deemed appropriate. The dinosaurs were millennia before man made his appearance. If we had existed along side dinosaurs there'd be some evidence of it, don't you think?
There is. Protected from any flood, or danger on earth, God had the records safe in heaven. Those records were piped down. We can anaylize that like a black box after a plane crash!

The physical evidence also fits perfectly. Eden was the place of life and wgere most life was put at ceation including man. Not all over the planet. The ability to rapidly adapt was a created trait. Some creatures inhabited the rest of the planet firat in that migration. Being able to evolve on the fly, basically, if a bird or reptile kind needed, it evolved as it spread out. The different conditions of the day also allowed fast body growth. So I surmise that dinosaurs are evolved from somme of Eden's creatures. Therefore, it is expected that we find the giants beneath the remains of later comers in the great migration of created life from Eden! It is a simple matter of interpretation of evidence. I also use the key that the future is the key to the past, not the present. The present is a temporary state, and could not have existed at creation. Not if the bible is true. Since there is no proof, of course in science, that this universe fabric and state existed at the time, one may see how another key fits, than 'the present is the key to the past'! That key has been wrong. It has resulted in gross madness, such as stuffing all the actual universe, sun, moon, earth, stars, galaxies, etc into a speck o soup.

Time to have a freah look, and give God the benefit of the doubt, don't ya think?
 
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There is. Protected from any flood, or danger on earth, God had the records safe in heaven. Those records were piped down. We can anaylize that like a black box after a plane crash!
Assumptions and speculation. The Bible only claims its authors were inspired by God... you have made up the rest. The only "plane crash" is your non PO former state fantasy.

The physical evidence also fits perfectly. Eden was the place of life and wgere most life was put at ceation including man. Not all over the planet.

The ability to rapidly adapt was a created trait. Some creatures inhabited the rest of the planet firat in that migration. Being able to evolve on the fly, basically, if a bird or reptile kind needed, it evolved as it spread out.
Then there should be a record of this migration and adptive radiation in the geological column... where is it?

The different conditions of the day also allowed fast body growth.
More interpretation and speculation.

So I surmise that dinosaurs are evolved from somme of Eden's creatures.
You "surmise" quite a lot. None of it in The Bible, though.

Therefore, it is expected that we find the giants beneath the remains of later comers in the great migration of created life from Eden!
We see giants in many places in the geological column... there is no pattern as you claim.


It is a simple matter of interpretation of evidence.
Yes, quite so! You "interpret" plenty here. Let's see what you call that "interpretation" later in your post...

I also use the key that the future is the key to the past, not the present.
Absurd, as no man may summon the future.

The present is a temporary state, and could not have existed at creation. Not if the bible is true.
Not if your Interpretation of the Bible is true.

Since there is no proof, of course in science, that this universe fabric and state existed at the time, one may see how another key fits, than 'the present is the key to the past'! That key has been wrong. It has resulted in gross madness, such as stuffing all the actual universe, sun, moon, earth, stars, galaxies, etc into a speck o soup.
You call that gross madeness compared to your non-PO past state fantasy?? LOL! ^_^

Time to have a freah look, and give God the benefit of the doubt, don't ya think?
Here we see the hubris of dad. His interpretation of scripture is raised to the level of God's Word! You are not God. You are not his prophet. Your interpretation of scripture is no better than anyone else's. :preach:
 
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Assumptions and speculation. The Bible only claims its authors were inspired by God... you have made up the rest. The only "plane crash" is your non PO former state fantasy.

No, the flood was a real deadly disaster. No other records exist but those of God. No one else but His ark of life made it out. Whether anything is spiritually inspired science is not qualified to comment, unless you claim it covers the spiritual. It does not. Therefore you are truly in the dark, and ought to admit it. I admit science is in the dark. Was that so hard?


[quoote]Then there should be a record of this migration and adptive radiation in the geological column... where is it?[/quote] It is what people have mistook for evoltion, in the Darwinian sense! Things adapt, and show up on the scene in a certain order. Remember, the evolving itself would be fast. So fast, it is debatable whether the adapting happened to the creature, NOT the off spring! Therefore all we need to do is see what ened up in the record first and later! Simple.

More interpretation and speculation.
Not really. It is well known there were differences in the early earth. Climate, for example, the arctic was semi tropical. The size of creatures for another thing!!! Look at those dinos! Then see a nearly small airplane sized flying creature, and giant birds that really couldn't get off the ground, without a lot of imagination!! Something was different! (they claim the big things just needed a good hill or some such guesswork)

Then we look at how the herb eaters ate. Nothing like it exists on earth today!!! Fancy that. The record is rife, pregnant with amazing truths and differences.


"They must have been able to break down their food somehow, but without the complex jaw joint of mammals they would not have been able to chew in the same way, and it is difficult to work out how they ate. It is also unclear what they ate: they might have been grazers, cropping vegetation close to the ground - like today's cows and sheep - or browsers, eating leaves and twigs - more like deer or giraffes. Not knowing the answers to these questions makes it difficult to understand Late Cretaceous ecosystems and how they were affected during the major extinction event 65 million years ago. "Our study uses a new approach based on analysis of the microscopic scratches that formed on hadrosaur's teeth as they fed, tens of millions of years ago. The scratches have been preserved intact since the animals died. They can tell us precisely how hadrosaur jaws moved, and the kind of food these huge herbivores ate, but nobody has tried to analyse them before."
The researchers say that the scratches reveal that the movements of hadrosaur teeth were complex and involved up and down, sideways and front to back motion. According to Paul Barrett palaeontologist at the Natural History Museum "this shows that hadrosaurs did chew, but in a completely different way to anything alive today."
Dino Tooth Sheds New Light On Ancient Riddle: Major Group Of Dinosaurs Had Unique Way Of Eating






You "surmise" quite a lot. None of it in The Bible, though.
Wrong. All things were made3 by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made. Therfore the dinos had to be either created or evolved from created life! No choice. That is bible.


We see giants in many places in the geological column... there is no pattern as you claim.
Of course there is. They lived and were fossilized at a certain sequence or level, or layer, or 'time' if you will. Nothing is a problem in the evidence or record. Really.




Absurd, as no man may summon the future.
But he may read what it will be like, from the word of God. That is the key. Not any imagination, or macination of man.


Not if your Interpretation of the Bible is true.
No, not if creation week is true. Jesus referred to it. If it is our physics could not be in place.


You call that gross madeness compared to your non-PO past state fantasy?? LOL! ^_^
Yes. Reducto ad absurdium. With a creator, it is not absurd.


Here we see the hubris of dad. His interpretation of scripture is raised to the level of God's Word! You are not God. You are not his prophet. Your interpretation of scripture is no better than anyone else's. :preach:
No. A freah look at the evidence, and the bible account is in order. That doesn't make anyone honest enough to do it a prophet.
 
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