Can Christians lose there salvation?

Originally posted by jayemcintyre
I believe that the result of being the elect means that if you turn to God and accept what He (Jesus) did for us then you will be saved, ie saved from eternal damnation and allowed into Heaven, despite our inadequacies

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So you think "elect" gets you an "if?"  We are not "elected unto making a decision."  We are elected unto salvation. 

in response to your second question I do not believe that all people will be saved as many will not confess faith in Jesus and His sacrifice, however I do believe that God would like us all to eb saved, however seeing as we were given free will and we abuse that gift some of us will perish.

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So you overcome the wrath of God because you confess faith in Jesus and His sacrifice?  Did Jesus' death actually do anything for you or is it all based on you accepting that death?

God bless,

Don

God did not make robots!

He created and formed man with a free will!

We all have a Free choice to accept Him and eternal life only through His Son Yeshua (Jesus), The truth is, many will not!

To believe that God has only picked favorites that He pre-destined to be His children and the others can all go to hell is ludacrist!

He desires ALL to be saved!

Reformationist....Awaken to the truth, and work out your salvation with fear and trembling...

I believe the enemy has decieved you into believing God has favorites that He picked long ago... That is a lie!

We are KEPT by the POWER of God.

            "Who are KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." 1 Peter 1:5

            "Now unto him that is able TO KEEP YOU from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," Jude 24

 

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        We are saved to the UTTERMOST.

            "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the UTTERMOST that come unto God by him,. . ." Hebrews 7:25

 

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        We are SEALED until the day of redemption.

            "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby YE ARE SEALED unto the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30

            ". . .after that ye believed, YE WERE SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise," Ephesians 1:13

Originally posted by jayemcintyre
As your definition and my definaition of 'elect' differ completely this statement means nothing to me, although I can see how it would mean so much to you.

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Thanks.  I'm glad I could waste both of our time. 

Jesus' death opened the gates of Heaven to sinners, without His death we would all have cerdtainly persihed, that does not mean that we do not need to do somethign to. I tend to think this verse is overused, but John3:16 shows us that we need to believe, it is not all just done, we need to take part in the process.

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What process?  You said His death opened the gates of Heaven to sinners.  You didn't attribute the regeneration of your fallen, depraved nature to His death.  In fact, you seem to completely disregard that fallen nature.  Did His death do anything for you specifically?  Did it change you in any way?  If not, you are contending that you "came to Christ" despite your totally unrighteous, depraved, fallen nature.  You, a creation that was dead in her trespasses all of a sudden saw the light and realized your whole life was a lie and embrace a book that goes against your entire fallen nature.  Do you even acknowledge the Fall?  Do you think that did anything to the nature of mankind?  What do you believe separates you from the Father?  It's not your sin you know.  It's the wrath of God against your inequity.  God hates ALL workers of inequity.  Not works.  Workers.

Psalm 5:5
The boastful shall not stand in Your sight;
        You hate all WORKERS of iniquity.

You think you overcame God's hate just because you said, "Hey, I'm sorry for being bad?"

God bless

Originally posted by Warrior FC
Reformationist....Awaken to the truth, and work out your salvation with fear and trembling...

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Oh okay.  LOL!!!

Originally posted by Defender of the Faith 777
That's an oxymoron.

How can one lose by a work, what was not gained by a work but an eternal decree of God.

Not to mention that all our works of evil ARE atoned for, John 19:30.

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what do you mean lose by a work???

Originally posted by jayemcintyre
Jesus' death did nothing to me personally, I agree that I am inadequate and sinfull, however Jesus' death did nothing to change that. What Jesus' death did do was mean that these inadequacies are no longer an issue, we can and do get into Heaven despite our unrighteousness.

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Okay.  Jesus' death did nothing to you specifically but it did justify you despite your sinfulness?  So, are you contending that you are now to work out your salvation with fear and trembling from a fallen depraved nature?  Did God give you a new nature?  Did you have a fallen nature? 

I hope that I am wrong, but it seems to me that you think that becasue Jesus died and chose you that you are perfect and are now righteous, even in the eyes of Jesus,

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Do you mean perfect and righteous in behavior?  Of course I'm not.  Hang around the MB for a while.  You'll see me be perfectly unrighteous.  But in God's eyes, I, and you if you're saved, have been given the credit for a perfectly righteous life.  I don't act perfect but because of Christ I am accounted as perfectly righteous because I'm in Christ. 

There has only been one human who has never sinned, and that was Jesus himself, don't think that just because you hve become a Christian you have left those ways behind, it is only that those ways don't condemn you like they would have before.

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I don't think that.  I know that I continue to sin.  And I agree, we are not bound by the authority of the law of sin and death any longer. 

Also, please do nto get sarcastic with people, it does not suit you and has no place in what I hoped would be constructive arguments.

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Don't you mean, "Brother, I encourage you to consider your words and the effect they have on people.  Be slow to speak.  Let love be your motivation in everything you say."  I thought the sarcasm suited me quite well.

Okay.  I apologize if I was sarcastic.  Please forgive me.

God bless

It was reserved for those who are not Gods. Simple. But the Bible is usually so simple we think it can't possibly be that!

Originally posted by jayemcintyre
If you are asking do I think you need to eb aware of your salvation then the answer is yes, it the question is anything else then can you clarify as I don't know what you mean.

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I'm asking if you believe you've been given all things that pertain to life and godliness, which is something you didn't have after the Fall. 

Sarcasm forgiven, and youa re probably right, that probably is what I meant to say

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Actually, I was being sarcastic again.  However, I was only picking at you.

God bless

Originally posted by jayemcintyre
I don't think that I can have anythjing like godliness, I have too many faults, but I don't think that really matters

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Well, I'm sure it matters if we strive to be godly, but don't believe being perfect is necessary or attainable, at least not until we are glorified.  The thing that keeps Christians from exercising the power over their old ways is the blinding deceitful nature of sin.  The truth of Scripture is that we have been given all things pertaining to life and godliness:

2 Peter 1:2-4
Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

God bless

Can Christians lose there salvation?    NO, NEVER

IF YOU CAN LOSE IT WHY DID HE DIE?


When I received the Lord Jesus Christ as my Savior, God placed His Eternal Spirit within me and gave me Eternal Life. As a child of God, I'm still waiting to see Jesus, to enter Heaven, and to receive my new glorified body, but I'm NOT waiting to be saved. My soul IS saved, and I know I'm going to Heaven because God has given me Eternal Life.

"Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." (I Pet. 1:5)

"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:" (Philip. 1:6)

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." (I Jn. 5:13)

". . . . I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day." (II Tim. 1:12)

"I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." (Jn. 10:28)

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (Jn. 3:16)

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (Jn. 5:24)

"He that hath the Son hath life; he that hath not the Son of God hath not life." (I Jn. 5:12)

"For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." (Heb. 10:14)

"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." (Rom. 4:5-8)

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I am a saved child of God...(John 1:12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

adopted by God....(Ephesians 1:5) Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, (Galatians 4:5) To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

....(Ephesians 1:11) In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

And I have access to God's Grace.....(Ephesians 2:8+18) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

I KNOW I am saved..........do YOU?

 


Well...a new or young Believer will not be aware of many of these things until gaining some spiritual maturity and growth in the word of God.


 

Jay, if a saved person started behaving any way they liked, as a child of God, God would deal with them like a son.  That in itself is another way to know you are saved. 

Jay, are you sure you are saved or are you waiting till you die to find out?