Can we stop sinning?

Can I ask what is the confusion or the 2 sidsin thi discussion. We all believe that we all sin daily right? We all believe that we can theoretically overcome and defeat sin right? But we also all believe that we will not overcome all the sin in our lives. Right? We will neer be fully sanctified until Jesus return right? So the anser to me is obvious. WE can stop sinning all together in the theoretical world but not in the real world.

For example answer this question. is it possible for me to go throughout all of grade school without getting one answer wrong but answering 10 questions from the teacher a day? Yes it is possible but not in the real world.

Is there someone who would disagree with me on this? If not then what are we talking about?

blackhaw6

Some of us think we can stop sinning in the real world thru the work of the Holy Spirit.

Debbie,

But not even Paul could do that. Nor Peter or John. I think the Bible is very clear that all sin and that "if you say that you are without sin then you are deceiving yourself" (carl paraphrase)

We can conquer some sin in our lives and we are justified through Jesus' work on the cross but we will not be sanctified until we see Jesus.

blackhaw6

You can stop sinning...I believe in OSAS why don't you stop sinning? Because we are weak willed and are human.

jbenjesus,

"Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me."

"Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me."

"Paul did not say HE sinned. He did not condemn himself, or blame himself. He said it was sin that dwelled in him."

"That is, in my flesh." He realized he was a new creation in Christ.

Me: I have no problem with you saying that we are new creations in Christ because we are. However even Paul realized that He did sin. When you say that he said he did not sin do you think that he meant that it really was not him at all? No. He was the one doing it but it no longer in his nature to sin. Sinning now went against his own self because it was opposite of who God made into a new creation. But He stil sinned.

My pastor used to say that we are no longer sinners but saints who sin. What he is saying is that we are saints because we are justified now but we still sin because we are not sanctified. Because of Jesus' sacrifice we are right with God but we still do the things that Jesus had to die for.

blackhaw6

Dearly beloved of God,
Does thsi not indicate that we must be perfect to be translated and not see death:-

Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Also a repeated theme....."be thou perfect" :-

Gen 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Leviticus 22:21 And whosoever offereth a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD to accomplish his vow, or a freewill offering in beeves or sheep, it shall be perfect to be accepted; there shall be no blemish therein.

Deu 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

1Ki 8:56 Blessed be the LORD, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant.

1Ki 8:57 The LORD our God be with us, as he was with our fathers: let him not leave us, nor forsake us:

1Ki 8:58 That he may incline our hearts unto him, to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and his statutes, and his judgments, which he commanded our fathers.

1Ki 8:59 And let these my words, wherewith I have made supplication before the LORD, be nigh unto the LORD our God day and night, that he maintain the cause of his servant, and the cause of his people Israel at all times, as the matter shall require:

1Ki 8:60 That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.

1Ki 8:61 Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

2Corinthians 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Heb 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

in a word RW...nope Its by grace I have been saved.

hear! hear!

to clarify by grace and faith. you must have both.

This is a fundimental teaching at least in christianity. I dont follow other denominations so i can not speak for them.

rwc109,

"Does thsi not indicate that we must be perfect to be translated and not see death"

YES! We can't have any sin when if we want to enter into Heaven because God is perfect and becaue He is jsut He cannot be in fellowship with imperfect beings. But none of us are perfect even after we were saved so we are in a bad position. That is why God's grace is so important. God justified us through His sacrifice so we can enter into Heaven with all our sins apid for in full. So in a sense all Christians are perfect becasue we have no sins that are not forgiven and not paid for through Jesus' blood on the cross.

So we do not have to be perfect in ourselves. We receive perfectedness from God.

blackhaw6

"YES! We can't have any sin when if we want to enter into Heaven because God is perfect and becaue He is jsut He cannot be in fellowship with imperfect beings. But none of us are perfect even after we were saved so we are in a bad position. "

This seems to contradict what the rest of your post said..so I'll correct this at the moment of salvation we are perfect, our sin nature is dead and not coming back thus we can get into heaven at anytime after that event.

We'll not stop sinning until we are at the right hand of God.
If we keep our eyes on Jesus, the road will be smoother and straighter.

Originally posted by savinggrc
Yes, we can stop sinning - as soon as we put off this body of flesh.

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Amen! Not until we get new bodies.

Originally posted by LouisBooth
"YES! We can't have any sin when if we want to enter into Heaven because God is perfect and becaue He is jsut He cannot be in fellowship with imperfect beings. But none of us are perfect even after we were saved so we are in a bad position. "

This seems to contradict what the rest of your post said..so I'll correct this at the moment of salvation we are perfect, our sin nature is dead and not coming back thus we can get into heaven at anytime after that event.

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Yes it does seem to contradict but I do not think it does. Our sins if not paid for will keep us out of heaven. That is any sin that is not paid for will do it. However our sins our paid for becasue of Jesus' sacrifice. So what I am basically saying is that we only go to heaven because of god's grace. Becasue He sent His son to die and make us "perfect" as far as what God seees when He looks at our lives. Basically that God makes us perfect so that we can have communion with Him. So it is nothing that we do but what He does. He was the sacrifice for all of our sins so even my sins in the future are paid for and I am still "perfect." But it is really not me but it is God's grace that has made me perfect. So it all comes back to God and how great He is. i do not have to be perfect myself He makes me that way through His sacrfice.

blackhaw6

Originally posted by blackhaw6


Yes it does seem to contradict but I do not think it does. Our sins if not paid for will keep us out of heaven. That is any sin that is not paid for will do it. However our sins our paid for becasue of Jesus' sacrifice. So what I am basically saying is that we only go to heaven because of god's grace. Becasue He sent His son to die and make us "perfect" as far as what God seees when He looks at our lives. Basically that God makes us perfect so that we can have communion with Him. So it is nothing that we do but what He does. He was the sacrifice for all of our sins so even my sins in the future are paid for and I am still "perfect." But it is really not me but it is God's grace that has made me perfect. So it all comes back to God and how great He is. i do not have to be perfect myself He makes me that way through His sacrfice.

blackhaw6

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Amen! I got happy when I read this. GOD LOOKS AT ME THROUGH HIS SACRIFICE! THATS AMAZING! I"D BE DEAD IF HE DIDN'T