Romans 1 and Homosexuality

I agree that it is sin, but we have way too many threads on it. How about discussing some other sins for a change? Like gossip, lying, outbursts of rage, theft, etc. . .

Since you brought up Romans 1 and worshipping the created instead of the creator...
I think Romans 1 is very pertinent for dating. I think a lot of people get infatuated with eachother and pay more attention to eachother than to God. What happens? Same thing every time.

just throwing my 2 cents in here......it's the act of homosexuality that is a sin, not the homosexual.

I always wonder what God will say at judgement..oh..its your sin thats bad so off it goes to hell..or something like, your attitude is a reflection of who you are. You refuse to obey me even after I made an extreme sacrifice for you. Homosexuals choose to be that way, and thus THEY are wrong in their choice. They embrace the sin and live for it. Don't get all PC and try to coddle a sinner and tell them its okay.

It's worse than that. Romans 1:18-32 says that homosexuality is an on-going judgment from God for people who know the truth about Him but refuse to acknowledge Him.

Originally posted by lambslove
It's worse than that. Romans 1:18-32 says that homosexuality is an on-going judgment from God for people who know the truth about Him but refuse to acknowledge Him.

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Hold the presses?

Are you saying that "homosexuality" itself is a punishment place on people for the reason you stated?

 

That's what the Bible says:

1:21
They knew God but did not praise and thank him for being God. Instead, their thoughts were pointless, and their misguided minds were plunged into darkness.
1:22
While claiming to be wise, they became fools.
1:23
They exchanged the glory of the immortal God for statues that looked like mortal humans, birds, animals, and snakes.
1:24
For this reason God allowed their lusts to control them. As a result, they dishonor their bodies by sexual perversion with each other.
1:25
These people have exchanged God's truth for a lie. So they have become ungodly and serve what is created rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen!
1:26
For this reason God allowed their shameful passions to control them. Their women have exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
1:27
Likewise, their men have given up natural sexual relations with women and burn with lust for each other. Men commit indecent acts with men, so they experience among themselves the punishment they deserve for their perversion.
1:28
And because they thought it was worthless to acknowledge God, God allowed their own immoral minds to control them. So they do these indecent things.
1:29
Their lives are filled with all kinds of sexual sins, wickedness, and greed. They are mean. They are filled with envy, murder, quarreling, deceit, and viciousness. They are gossips,
1:30
slanderers, haters of God, haughty, arrogant, and boa****l. They think up new ways to be cruel. They don't obey their parents,
1:31
don't have any sense, don't keep promises, and don't show love to their own families or mercy to others.
1:32
Although they know God's judgment that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do these things but also approve of others who do them.


I was shocked when I read it, too.

I can understand, but don't agree with your complete analysis.

While I can see how one could infer that God let them loose on their sexual perversions, it was because they were doing something specifically wrong. But I don't feel that you can make the jump and say that Homosexuality in general is the result of God's Wrath in all cases.

RO 1:23 - Cause
They exchanged the glory of the immortal God for statues that looked like mortal humans, birds, animals, and snakes.

RO 1:24 - Affect
For this reason God allowed their lusts to control them. As a result, they dishonor their bodies by sexual perversion with each other.



RO 1:25 - Cause
These people have exchanged God's truth for a lie. So they have become ungodly and serve what is created rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen!

RO 1:26 - Affect
For this reason God allowed their shameful passions to control them. Their women have exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

I agree, that this doesn't say that all cases are the result of ingoring God, but it definitely says that at least some are.

God allows some people to fall into homosexuality as punishment for turning against what they know is true about Him.

Originally posted by lambslove
I agree, that this doesn't say that all cases are the result of ingoring God, but it definitely says that at least some are.

God allows some people to fall into homosexuality as punishment for turning against what they know is true about Him.

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In one specific case, what are the other cases? Sound like your saying there are more?

Also, their punishment in Romans was because they were not willing to recognize God, they were "haters of God".

RO 1:28
And because they thought it was worthless to acknowledge God, God allowed their own immoral minds to control them. So they do these indecent things.

It is not fair to say the someone who is a homosexual is someone who doesn't not acknowledge God. Also in the verse above, the punishment of sorts is not just sexual perversion, it includes whole list of other items as well. And again, God does not causes these things to happen to people, he simply leaves them to their own doing.


  

 

Gee, Anthony. I'm not making this stuff up, it's out of the Bible. If you've got a complaint about God's judgment, you've got to take it up with Him, not me.

Originally posted by lambslove
Gee, Anthony. I'm not making this stuff up, it's out of the Bible. If you've got a complaint about God's judgment, you've got to take it up with Him, not me.

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God didn't make the post  

Is God here posting someplace, under an assumed name ?

So the Bible isn't the word of God anymore?

The "Bible" is certainly the Word of God, but what you or I post is not.

All I did was cut and paste verses from the Bible.

Originally posted by lambslove
It's worse than that. Romans 1:18-32 says that homosexuality is an on-going judgment from God for people who know the truth about Him but refuse to acknowledge Him.

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I don't think that this was cut and pasted. I don't think Anthony has a problem with what God is saying in the bible, I think he just does not agree with your interpretation. 

Originally posted by lambslove
It's worse than that. Romans 1:18-32 says that homosexuality is an on-going judgment from God for people who know the truth about Him but refuse to acknowledge Him.

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The re-posted Bible Verses are fine, it is the statement:

"Homosexuality is an on-going judgement from God"

That is not the Word of God. Homosexual sex is a sin, it is not a punishment or a judgement, for the sin. 

When we turn away from God, or chose to not acknowledge him in the first place, His covering over us is not there, and we are walking without a net. Also God's lifting off his Grace, leaves us open to fall into a whole list of sins:

They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastf u l; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 

But it appears from the above text that it can be both.

How do you interpret those verses?

Originally posted by lambslove
But it appears from the above text that it can be both.

How do you interpret those verses?

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"The outcome of our Sin is an on-going judgement from God" - This, I feel is what Paul is saying.