Can I Stop Intrusive Thoughts? OCD Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

ChristianGuitarMan112190 · Dec 18, 2007

unpardoned1 said:
No, I didn't believe my thought after I had it, but while I was having it, I was angry and I meant it at the time. I was angry at the Holy Spirit and blamed Him for that split second. The thought went through my mind in my voice in the midst of an OCD attack but it was my anger, not my ocd that caused me to have the thought. It was like it was secondary. I was so angry about the misery I was in that I believed the thought and maybe even said it out of malicious anger.

I've never struggled again with the thoughts popping in my head. Don't get me wrong, I still have thoughts about the Holy Spirit pop in my mind, but htey are from ocd, this thought wasn't.(8/9/96 is when i thought this) I already had the worst thought that I could possilby have had in my book, so the other thoughts don't scare me. I know I could never think anything worse then that.

Yes, I'm obviously struggling again. While the thought I had wasn't an ocd thought that just popped in my mind, it was caused by the misery of ocd and my ocd causes me to dwell on it. I take Paxil and Klonipin. I've been sick the past few days and my medication has been going through me KWIM? So it hasn't had much of an affect of me and I've basically been living without it.

My medication basically makes a "fake me" that isn't concerned about blasphemy or anything. Most of the time my meds just keep me so "feelingless" that I don't care about much of anything.

This here, is the real me,no meds. I'm worried, scared to death. I get so scared of death becasue I'm scared I will go to hell.

You are scared you did it!! Therefore you did not!! You wouldn't care at all!! Your heart would be forever hardened against Jesus!! People who blaspheme have NO interest in their salvation!! That is proof right there for you!! Call on the Lord, he will answer!! I was scared I did this plenty of times, but then I stopped, prayed and got enlightened!!

Boxers1 · Dec 18, 2007

Pardoned 1:
I know how you feel....Angry sounding or more agressive sounding thoughts appear to have more validity. If you had the same thought pass thru your head with no emotion attached to it then it wouldn't be as valid or "more forgivealbe"? This is the trick. This is the game in your head. Its all not valid whether or not it felt angry or loud or mild and soft.
I know the fear completely. I understand it. We think there is a magical line in our head that if we cross it by thinking certain thoughts, then we're doomed. The problem is as we soon figure out, that our minds can go anywhere and sooner or later we thought the unthinkable and crossed that magical line. One thing I believe I have been forced to understand thru my issues of fearing the unforgiveable is that it is not a particular combination of thoughts, but rather a blinded spiritual condition that cannot see Jesus and his work as from God and can't believe in it. You can and you do and that is how you receive your forgiveness. It just cannot be related to controlling your thoughts or none of us would meet the mark.
Boxers1

unpardoned1 said:
No, I didn't believe my thought after I had it, but while I was having it, I was angry and I meant it at the time. I was angry at the Holy Spirit and blamed Him for that split second. The thought went through my mind in my voice in the midst of an OCD attack but it was my anger, not my ocd that caused me to have the thought. It was like it was secondary. I was so angry about the misery I was in that I believed the thought and maybe even said it out of malicious anger.

I've never struggled again with the thoughts popping in my head. Don't get me wrong, I still have thoughts about the Holy Spirit pop in my mind, but htey are from ocd, this thought wasn't.(8/9/96 is when i thought this) I already had the worst thought that I could possilby have had in my book, so the other thoughts don't scare me. I know I could never think anything worse then that.

Yes, I'm obviously struggling again. While the thought I had wasn't an ocd thought that just popped in my mind, it was caused by the misery of ocd and my ocd causes me to dwell on it. I take Paxil and Klonipin. I've been sick the past few days and my medication has been going through me KWIM? So it hasn't had much of an affect of me and I've basically been living without it.

My medication basically makes a "fake me" that isn't concerned about blasphemy or anything. Most of the time my meds just keep me so "feelingless" that I don't care about much of anything.

This here, is the real me,no meds. I'm worried, scared to death. I get so scared of death becasue I'm scared I will go to hell.

PARCmd · Dec 19, 2007

unpardoned1 said:
No, I didn't believe my thought after I had it, but while I was having it, I was angry and I meant it at the time. I was angry at the Holy Spirit and blamed Him for that split second. The thought went through my mind in my voice in the midst of an OCD attack but it was my anger, not my ocd that caused me to have the thought. It was like it was secondary. I was so angry about the misery I was in that I believed the thought and maybe even said it out of malicious anger.

I've never struggled again with the thoughts popping in my head. Don't get me wrong, I still have thoughts about the Holy Spirit pop in my mind, but htey are from ocd, this thought wasn't.(8/9/96 is when i thought this) I already had the worst thought that I could possilby have had in my book, so the other thoughts don't scare me. I know I could never think anything worse then that.

Yes, I'm obviously struggling again. While the thought I had wasn't an ocd thought that just popped in my mind, it was caused by the misery of ocd and my ocd causes me to dwell on it. I take Paxil and Klonipin. I've been sick the past few days and my medication has been going through me KWIM? So it hasn't had much of an affect of me and I've basically been living without it.

My medication basically makes a "fake me" that isn't concerned about blasphemy or anything. Most of the time my meds just keep me so "feelingless" that I don't care about much of anything.

This here, is the real me,no meds. I'm worried, scared to death. I get so scared of death becasue I'm scared I will go to hell.

All of us here are scared of Hell (and to a certain degree, of God). It's because we have a distorted view of God. If you believe that God won't forgive you - well, then you must have some problem in your view of God. Oftentimes, we see the God of judgment, but we don't see the God of forgiveness and the God of love.

As the verse says, "if we repent of our sins, God will forgive us from ALL unrighteousness. Regarding your condition, the only question is, IS GOD A LIAR? If you believe that God is a liar, you can continue to have doubts and fears of Hell and the like, but if you believe that God is much bigger than your thoughts and that He is NOT A LIAR, then YOU MUST'VE BEEN FORGIVEN nearly 2000 years ago on that wooden cross.

Furthermore, while you've thought of it (the blasphemy) - I'm pretty sure you haven't believed it, right? - the 'Unofrgiveable' verse doesn't quite fit your case - if GOd said that all sins will be forgiven, and in the UnP verse, He said that there is such an unpardonable sin - well, there is an obvious conflict. But no, the Bible does not have conflicting passages (at least theoretically), so there must be someway or another that explains the Unpardonable Sin - so it is the sin of unbelief. Even in the most conservative of all professional theological commentaries regarding this verse, you still don't meet the criteria. SO there you are - we think that you're forgiven.

PARCmd · Dec 19, 2007

Hi! What are your thoughts about this:
I deliberately think about blasphemous thoughts and then cancel these, OK?
Sometimes I'm not able to cancel these, because I deliberately snowball them.
But I don't believe in them.

Do you think this is the UnP Sin?

seajoy · Dec 19, 2007

This entire thread is filled with people who think they have done the unpardonable sin. That is the essence of religious ocd. All of it is ocd. And since God is our refuge and strength, and He is All-knowing....He understands ocd. Allow God to do what God does, which is understand and care for His flock. We who have/do suffer with this most difficult illness can only rely on what Christ has done for us. The One who saved us, is also the One who called us to Himself. He will take care of us.

One of the toughest things to understand concerning this illness, is that we all feel our thoughts are somehow worse than anyone else with ocd.....like "maybe" we don't even have it.

This in itself is a comfort that we "DO" have ocd.

I go back to what works....and yes, it's difficult....we must do exposure/response therapy, and take meds when nessesary. Let God do the rest. If we try and handle it ourselves we are just plain digging ourselves into a deeper ocd hole. It's not nessesary. God has provided us with a means of getting help, and living a normal life. Let's do just that, and give Him all the glory in it!

Keep working with your doctors everyone. If the doctor you have doesn't understand ocd, find a new one.

May our Lord bless each and everyone here during this Christmas season, and into the New Year. :prayer:

All are special to Him.

seajoy
*one who suffered 8yrs of torment in religious ocd* Praise God, I've been freed.

gracealone · Dec 19, 2007

seajoy said:
This entire thread is filled with people who think they have done the unpardonable sin. That is the essence of religious ocd. All of it is ocd. And since God is our refuge and strength, and He is All-knowing....He understands ocd. Allow God to do what God does, which is understand and care for His flock. We who have/do suffer with this most difficult illness can only rely on what Christ has done for us. The One who saved us, is also the One who called us to Himself. He will take care of us.

One of the toughest things to understand concerning this illness, is that we all feel our thoughts are somehow worse than anyone else with ocd.....like "maybe" we don't even have it. This in itself is a comfort that we "DO" have ocd.

I go back to what works....and yes, it's difficult....we must do exposure/response therapy, and take meds when nessesary. Let God do the rest. If we try and handle it ourselves we are just plain digging ourselves into a deeper ocd hole. It's not nessesary. God has provided us with a means of getting help, and living a normal life. Let's do just that, and give Him all the glory in it!

Keep working with your doctors everyone. If the doctor you have doesn't understand ocd, find a new one.

May our Lord bless each and everyone here during this Christmas season, and into the New Year. All are special to Him.

seajoy
*one who suffered 8yrs of torment in religious ocd* Praise God, I've been freed.

Amen and Mega Ditto's!! to everything you said here Seajoy. OCD just has to be treated as OCD - a real disorder of the brain - and not a spiritual problem for which we must get an answer or just one more reassurance. With every attempt to get more reassurance - it is just as you said - the hole of OCD gets deeper and harder to climb out of. I'm so thankful to know that exposure/response is the way out of it. It's the key that fits the lock to open the door of recovery. Thanks for your input on this. I stand in wholehearted agreement with you.
I am also very thankful to God for your counsel which was the first to point me in the right direction.
Have a Blessed Christmas!!
Mitzi

seajoy · Dec 19, 2007

gracealone said:
Amen and Mega Ditto's!! to everything you said here Seajoy. OCD just has to be treated as OCD - a real disorder of the brain - and not a spiritual problem for which we must get an answer or just one more reassurance. With every attempt to get more reassurance - it is just as you said - the hole of OCD gets deeper and harder to climb out of. I'm so thankful to know that exposure/response is the way out of it. It's the key that fits the lock to open the door of recovery. Thanks for your input on this. I stand in wholehearted agreement with you.
I am also very thankful to God for your counsel which was the first to point me in the right direction.
Have a Blessed Christmas!!
Mitzi

Thanks Mitzi! All praise to God for His direction in all of this. :clap:

Amen and dittos to you too!

Have a beautiful Christmas.
seajoy

ChristianGuitarMan112190 · Dec 20, 2007

Read these verses!! 1 John 2:23 and Romans 8:38-39!!

lindsaye · Dec 22, 2007

"lindsaye: The Mental Compulsion part. It really bothers me a lot because while I wholeheartedly accept that Obsessions are NOT a sin, while Mental Compulsions and compulsions in general (that blaspheme or renounce God) are SINS because they are done deliberately and willfully (though as a neutralizer or canceling agent)."

i'm not really sure what you're trying to say....
that because i say these things or think these things i HAVE committed the sin?
my cancelling agent is i will say the sentence of "blah blah blah (blasphemy) and then say "is a bad thing to say and I refuse to say it"....kinda like the "not" thing...but yeah can you clarify what you said earlier?

jc9992 · Dec 24, 2007

unpardoned1 · Dec 26, 2007

jc9992 said:
Pardoned1 you said this.

This conflicts with another statement you made.

Hmm.pardoned1 im confused.Ive been looking at some of your posts in this thread and have found that in several of them it seems as though you are saying you wish you could live for God but dont think you can because of that thought.

If you have any desire at all to live for Jesus and love Him,then that is evidence youre not doomed.

but....

You also seem to say in other posts that you dont really even want to live for God.you just dont want to be judged.In a few these same posts you also exhibit some sort of anger and resentment towards God or the Holy Spirit.

Its like youre a split person.One post you'll say you do love God ,but think youre condemned.Another post you'll say you dont love God,but dont want to be condemned either.

I dont know what to make of your posts, but they are very odd and conflicting.

So i would like you to please tell the board what you really feel.

A.You love God,but think He's condemned you.

B.You dont love God,but dont want Him to condemn you.

C.You dont know.

If you are the first one or the last one then a lot of people on here can help you.

However if you are the second one then....

Why are you on here if you dont love God?

Its not as simple as a multiple choice test. Loving God comes with trusting God and like the Bible says, "perfect love cast out fear" If everyone on this board had perfect love for God, none of us would be here. OCD is nicknamed the "doubting disease".
My thoughts and feelings fluctuate. This is part of my disorder. I am scared of God. I doubt the Bible, I am angry.
My statements are not conflicting at all if you look at them.

Yes, I feel dead inside, I wish I could live for God and have a true desire to worship Him, BUT I am worried that my motivation is wrong and I may not have a true desire, I just want to stay out of hell. I wish I could have that true desire and that it wasn't based on fear.
Don't you see? I really don't know why I'm being attacked and called a split person.

Its hard enough having ocd and having had the thought that I did. Don't you realize I've been living with this fear for years and years? Of course everything is based on fear!!! I was only saying I wish that I could be like these people in my church, freely worshiping God with no worry whatsoever about God throwing them in hell. But I do not have that peace, instead I have an intense fear of God throwing me in hell. I'm scared my desire to worship God comes from this fear and that it isn't based on love...BUT i wish it was and would like it to be.

I'M DROWNING IN FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! can't you see this??????????? The fear that I've done this sin is what keeps me from peace.

I think this is my last post here.

HappyChicken · Dec 26, 2007

awww big hugs!!!! I have OCD too, and people that dont have OCD just simply don't understand it...even though they do try. Just relax.... it's going to be okay. If you would like to pm me, please feel free at anytime. Maybe throwing your complete feelings and looking for help here is not that great of an idea if it is upsetting you. *BIG HUGS*

jc9992 · Dec 26, 2007

Pardoned1 im not attcking you at all!!!!!

I was kind of having an episode when I typed that post the other day and it was very selfish of me to ask you those questions.

I asked you those ?s because i was scared that i would lose MY desire to love God.I justed wanted to know exactly where you were coming from.Now i understand about you thinking youre motivated by fear to worship God and your not sure you have true desire as i experienced that myself for a time.

Even though i had no bad intentions when i typed the post.I did however post it mainly because i was struggling with my own OCD thoughts that day.

Sorry it sounded mean

seajoy · Dec 26, 2007

Pardoned1,

Your salvation has nothing to do with you. Your salvation is all taken care of because of Christ.

You do not have a problem with God. You have ocd. It's time to let go.

Jesus loves you and so do I. :hug:

seajoy

Boxers1 · Dec 26, 2007

Pardoned1:
Don't leave the forum. Your posts are not confusing b/c I have OCD just like you do and I understand the way you feel. You do love Jesus and desire him, so do I, its just the OCD that gets in the way, makes us afraid of the thoughts we can think, and can spiral into more fear and depression if its not treated. Our thoughts try to trick us into thinking that we don't believe or that we don't love God or desire him b/c they say weird, crazy things that appear to be the opposite of what we really want...But our thoughts are not the indicator of our faith...Keep practicing on ignoring the thoughts and stamping them as "invalid" every time you have the doubting thought.
Just rest in the thought that Jesus receives all who believe. Your OCD lies to you just like it lies to me. We have to ignore it and over time if you keep practicing, you will see that it is easier to ignore. Talk to your doctor about the "dead" feeling, b/c I know that sometimes that can be the drugs. Medication can sometimes zone you out to the point where you feel like you can't "feel." Treating the OCD with exposure response therapy sometimes can allow people to cut back on their meds if its ok with your doctor.
Its important to find the right balance.
Boxers1

unpardoned1 said:
Its not as simple as a multiple choice test. Loving God comes with trusting God and like the Bible says, "perfect love cast out fear" If everyone on this board had perfect love for God, none of us would be here. OCD is nicknamed the "doubting disease".
My thoughts and feelings fluctuate. This is part of my disorder. I am scared of God. I doubt the Bible, I am angry.
My statements are not conflicting at all if you look at them.

Yes, I feel dead inside, I wish I could live for God and have a true desire to worship Him, BUT I am worried that my motivation is wrong and I may not have a true desire, I just want to stay out of hell. I wish I could have that true desire and that it wasn't based on fear.
Don't you see? I really don't know why I'm being attacked and called a split person. Its hard enough having ocd and having had the thought that I did. Don't you realize I've been living with this fear for years and years? Of course everything is based on fear!!! I was only saying I wish that I could be like these people in my church, freely worshiping God with no worry whatsoever about God throwing them in hell. But I do not have that peace, instead I have an intense fear of God throwing me in hell. I'm scared my desire to worship God comes from this fear and that it isn't based on love...BUT i wish it was and would like it to be.

I'M DROWNING IN FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! can't you see this??????????? The fear that I've done this sin is what keeps me from peace.

I think this is my last post here.

marcb · Dec 26, 2007

OCD is a blistering thorn in the flesh. I am sorry, pardoned1 for your trials. I live in almost constant fear, the same fear you face. I have had those "ultimate" thoughts, doubts, etc. The people you see around you rejoicing in church are rejoicing in spite of those thoughts, doubts, etc. Talk to them. If they are honest, they will tell you how broken they are inside; for who needs a physician except the sick? who needs a Saviour except the sinners? The motivation for my faith had been "fire insurance." I think God has worked through the trials of OCD to make it a REAL relationship. It is a work in progress.

Jesus works with us as we are. I urge you to reconsider leaving us on this forum.

Remember the song from Cheers? Sometimes you wanna go where everybody knows your brain. Don't miss this fellowship. Almost everyday I pour out my guts to these understanding people, and am somehow strengthened in the process.

Yesterday our pastor gave a great talk on patience. He used Simeon who waited his whole life to see Jesus, the Messiah. The Holy Spirit promised him he would see this child before he died (Luke 2, I think).

That must have required patience. Our pastor gave five keys to patience:

1. Hold onto the promises of God.
- I will never leave nor forsake you
- He who has begun a good work in you will see it through to the day of Christ Jesus
- My sheep know my voice and no one shall pluck them from my hand
- Come unto me all who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest
- There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
There are so many more (why do you and I hold onto one rebuke that was not directed at us???)

2. Hold up under doubt. Yes doubt comes. Faith does not exist without some possibility that it's not true. This was heavy, yet so honest coming from a man of God. He went further to say that if you have not been affected by a season of doubt - you will. Probably, our biggest doubt is that the Gospel is true, but I am somehow excluded because I cannot be forgiven. During these times, cast an anchor in the dark as Richard Sibbes would say (recommend The Bruised Reed).
Jesus called doubters to be His. He worked with their doubts. Why did Jesus reappear to them after the resurrection? Why were they holed up in a locked room if they didn't have doubts. BTW, if there was no mention of "THE unforgiveable sin," I'd bet my klonopin that we would all still be here struggling with our doubts, over whether we were truly called, had faith, went apostate, etc.

3. Hold out for the long run. We have to trust God that He has bigger plans for us than we can see. Notice, we are all young people on this site. We seem to be in that anxious phase of life, where many people (Christians or otherwise) begin to experience harder times with anxiety. We must be trained to have patience and trust God. I think we are already doing His work by supporting one another. Do you think it is coincidental that we happen to be here in this forum, with this problem? All the scrupulous people who had to deal with this alone in the dark for centuries....

"Strength will rise as we wait upon the Lord!"

4. Hold fast to Hope. "Hope that is seen is not hope."

5. Hold still and let God do the work.
- Be still, and know that I am the Lord.

Our salvation does not depend on us. We've all read ahead to the ending; God Wins! Our success rests on mighty shoulders. These hardships are "too small a price" compared to the riches of our inheritance and the purpose to which we have been called.

Claim it and proclaim it boldly! Presume on God's mercy! Read and pray through the psalms. Claim them as your own. Run after the Lord in the dark, cry out to Him. Whatever you have to do.

May God bless you richly.

unpardoned1 · Dec 26, 2007

jc9992 said:
Pardoned1 im not attcking you at all!!!!!

I was kind of having an episode when I typed that post the other day and it was very selfish of me to ask you those questions.

I asked you those ?s because i was scared that i would lose MY desire to love God.I justed wanted to know exactly where you were coming from.Now i understand about you thinking youre motivated by fear to worship God and your not sure you have true desire as i experienced that myself for a time.

Even though i had no bad intentions when i typed the post.I did however post it mainly because i was struggling with my own OCD thoughts that day.

Sorry it sounded mean

Its ok.

I want to love God. I think that my OCD masks my love for God, but I want to love Him. It doesn't mean I don't but I think fear covers it all up somtimes. Like I was saying before, I want to serve God but I feel that "the unpardonable sin" keeps me from that. At first it may sound like it conflicts with me saying I don't know if I really love God, or just want to serve Him because I don't want to go to hell, but the truth is, both of my statements are true. I can wanna want to serve God for all the right reasons, but know and fear that in fact I may only be trying to obey Him because I'm scared of going to hell. BUT I still hope that changes into a genuine desire to love and serve Him that isn't based on fear like it seems it has been.

Like right now, I feel great fear of God. When and if I can stop seeing God as a scary dictator that is out to punish me, then I can worship from love and not fear.

Perfect love casteth out fear. Fear is a common thing with all of us here. Not to say that none of us love God without the fear, but some of us may have the motivation of fear.

unpardoned1 · Dec 26, 2007

seajoy said:
Pardoned1,

Your salvation has nothing to do with you. Your salvation is all taken care of because of Christ.

You do not have a problem with God. You have ocd. It's time to let go.

Jesus loves you and so do I.

seajoy

Awwww, thanks. :hug:

unpardoned1 · Dec 26, 2007

Boxers1 said:
Pardoned1:
Don't leave the forum. Your posts are not confusing b/c I have OCD just like you do and I understand the way you feel. You do love Jesus and desire him, so do I, its just the OCD that gets in the way, makes us afraid of the thoughts we can think, and can spiral into more fear and depression if its not treated. Our thoughts try to trick us into thinking that we don't believe or that we don't love God or desire him b/c they say weird, crazy things that appear to be the opposite of what we really want...But our thoughts are not the indicator of our faith...Keep practicing on ignoring the thoughts and stamping them as "invalid" every time you have the doubting thought.
Just rest in the thought that Jesus receives all who believe. Your OCD lies to you just like it lies to me. We have to ignore it and over time if you keep practicing, you will see that it is easier to ignore. Talk to your doctor about the "dead" feeling, b/c I know that sometimes that can be the drugs. Medication can sometimes zone you out to the point where you feel like you can't "feel." Treating the OCD with exposure response therapy sometimes can allow people to cut back on their meds if its ok with your doctor.
Its important to find the right balance.
Boxers1

I don't want to go anywhere. I'm having a really hard time lately with wondering how I really feel about God and Jesus. I feel insincere and wonder if I did everything "right" to be saved. I thought I was saved when I was younger then my 5 year old. I remember pondering Jesus living in my heart. I remember thinking He had a room and picturing this. I prayed often my whole life and asked Jesus for help. Even being a little girl when my mom would go out, I would worry and pray to Jesus that she make it home. However, I lived very contrary to how a Christian should live so was I really ever a Christian, or did I fall away or ignore what I knew was wrong, but was still a Christian? Still sometimes I say things that not even a really evil person would say and then I feel bad later. It makes me question weather or not I'm really saved because wouldn't I have stopped those things? I'm just really scared right now.

gracealone · Dec 26, 2007

marcb said:
OCD is a blistering thorn in the flesh. I am sorry, pardoned1 for your trials. I live in almost constant fear, the same fear you face. I have had those "ultimate" thoughts, doubts, etc. The people you see around you rejoicing in church are rejoicing in spite of those thoughts, doubts, etc. Talk to them. If they are honest, they will tell you how broken they are inside; for who needs a physician except the sick? who needs a Saviour except the sinners? The motivation for my faith had been "fire insurance." I think God has worked through the trials of OCD to make it a REAL relationship. It is a work in progress.

Jesus works with us as we are. I urge you to reconsider leaving us on this forum.

Remember the song from Cheers? Sometimes you wanna go where everybody knows your brain. Don't miss this fellowship. Almost everyday I pour out my guts to these understanding people, and am somehow strengthened in the process.

Yesterday our pastor gave a great talk on patience. He used Simeon who waited his whole life to see Jesus, the Messiah. The Holy Spirit promised him he would see this child before he died (Luke 2, I think).

That must have required patience. Our pastor gave five keys to patience:

1. Hold onto the promises of God.
- I will never leave nor forsake you
- He who has begun a good work in you will see it through to the day of Christ Jesus
- My sheep know my voice and no one shall pluck them from my hand
- Come unto me all who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest
- There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
There are so many more (why do you and I hold onto one rebuke that was not directed at us???)

2. Hold up under doubt. Yes doubt comes. Faith does not exist without some possibility that it's not true. This was heavy, yet so honest coming from a man of God. He went further to say that if you have not been affected by a season of doubt - you will. Probably, our biggest doubt is that the Gospel is true, but I am somehow excluded because I cannot be forgiven. During these times, cast an anchor in the dark as Richard Sibbes would say (recommend The Bruised Reed).
Jesus called doubters to be His. He worked with their doubts. Why did Jesus reappear to them after the resurrection? Why were they holed up in a locked room if they didn't have doubts. BTW, if there was no mention of "THE unforgiveable sin," I'd bet my klonopin that we would all still be here struggling with our doubts, over whether we were truly called, had faith, went apostate, etc.

3. Hold out for the long run. We have to trust God that He has bigger plans for us than we can see. Notice, we are all young people on this site. We seem to be in that anxious phase of life, where many people (Christians or otherwise) begin to experience harder times with anxiety. We must be trained to have patience and trust God. I think we are already doing His work by supporting one another. Do you think it is coincidental that we happen to be here in this forum, with this problem? All the scrupulous people who had to deal with this alone in the dark for centuries....

"Strength will rise as we wait upon the Lord!"

4. Hold fast to Hope. "Hope that is seen is not hope."

5. Hold still and let God do the work.
- Be still, and know that I am the Lord.

Our salvation does not depend on us. We've all read ahead to the ending; God Wins! Our success rests on mighty shoulders. These hardships are "too small a price" compared to the riches of our inheritance and the purpose to which we have been called.

Claim it and proclaim it boldly! Presume on God's mercy! Read and pray through the psalms. Claim them as your own. Run after the Lord in the dark, cry out to Him. Whatever you have to do.

May God bless you richly.

Wonderful words of encouragement from the only True word what can I add except to agree with you.

Pardoned One - OCD truly does flucuate and cause intense arguing in side my own head from time to time. The horrible fear tells me that I must pay attention to the thoughts but all that I know of Christ and His love for me tells me something else.
Please stick around and know that many, many of us pray for you with heartfelt empathetic prayers that come from understanding your pain.
One thing that I always cling to is this: no matter how afraid I am I can still choose to follow Christ and walk in His paths. Nothing can ever rob me of my ability to choose Him. So I continue to walk on putting one foot in front of the other. Choosing Him, worshiping Him, praying to Him and serving Him in whatever task He lays before me. Even with the continual whispers and sometimes angry shouting of my OCD.
Love you,
Mitzi

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