Theological of Evolution

A mistaken interpretation.

Tissue said:

Let's assume for the sake of argument evolution is one day proven right. What are the theological ramifications, if any, of this proof? What is lost from the Christian faith?

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bibliolatry
a false notion of inspiration
scientism as the ground of theological truth

All pretty good things to lose IMO

Tissue said:

Let's assume for the sake of argument evolution is one day proven right. What are the theological ramifications, if any, of this proof? What is lost from the Christian faith?

EDIT: Blegh. Messed up the title.

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God.

juvenissun said:

God.

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After all the conversations here with your brothers and sisters, do you really think God is lost if evolution is correct?

juvenissun said:

God.

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That sort of flies in the face of what you just said here:

juvenissun said:

Are YEC and TE people Christians? (Yes)
Are their faith based on the Bible? (Yes)

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I don't see how God can be at issue if, as you just admitted, it is possible to be a Christian and subscribe to evolution.

Are you just saying things without thinking about them first again, juvenissun?

juvenissun said:

God.

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*chuckle*

juvenissun said:

God.

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Woah, watch it. You'll take someone's eye out with that knee-jerk if you're not careful.

Tissue said:

Let's assume for the sake of argument evolution is one day proven right. What are the theological ramifications, if any, of this proof? What is lost from the Christian faith?

EDIT: Blegh. Messed up the title.

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Firstly, when you assume you make an ass of you and me (ass-u-me)
Secondly, Paul writes, "because of the sin of one man, death came into the world"
If this is true then evolution would take away the first sin that Jesus died for.
that means no need for salvation. Where to then?

Macca said:

If this is true then evolution would take away the first sin that Jesus died for.

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Jesus died for Adam and not you? That stinks.

You should check out the thread where we've been debating this. You might find it interesting.

Well evolution is correct. And I still believe in God, Christ and the bible.

I think thew theological ramifications would be enhanced, it would essential allow the creationists to focus on their faith rather than wittering on about a literal interpretation.

Mallon said:

That sort of flies in the face of what you just said here:

I don't see how God can be at issue if, as you just admitted, it is possible to be a Christian and subscribe to evolution.

Are you just saying things without thinking about them first again, juvenissun?

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I said that because Evolution is not true (yet).

Dannager said:

Woah, watch it. You'll take someone's eye out with that knee-jerk if you're not careful.

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What to be careful about? We are talking about an assumed case.

Well, if creationists ever manage to convince themselves that evolution is very much real and alive, we'll see a massive disillusionment in an entire cadre of believers. They will not only have spent lives, indeed their children's lives as well, fighting an enemy which turned out not to die, they'll be so specialized as creationists that ...

... they won't have any idea how to handle neuropsychology. You want a threat on the science-religion frontier? Look no further.

Sometimes I wonder if, for all its detriments, the real harm of creationism is that it diverts a lot of noise and energy from the really pressing matters: foundational physics, neuropsychology, anthropology and comparative religious studies. Those things will make Christians wonder long after evolution and anti-evolutionism have finished flashing in the pan. A systematic conservative investigation of science and Christianity is needed for those, not the silly knee-jerk "Hey look how scientific we can be too, dumb infidels!" we see right now in the creationist movement.

In any case. If evolution finally is proved beyond all doubt in public consciousness (for it already is in the scientific arena), we will no doubt lose plenty of Christians. That is indeed a loss to the faith; but I don't think we'll lose anything else.

I take the Bible literally. I had an older man at my work, who is an atheist, give me a book called "a letter to a Christian Nation". It made the point that evolution almost totally understood, except for the small fact the can't figure out how it began. I think if evolution is proven as an absolute fact, it would do much violence to the Christian faith, I mean if the first chapters by the Holy Spirt do not mean what the clearly say, there would be a major problem for people who hold the literal interpetation of scripture. As a student of prophesy it is clear that Literal interpetation of scripture, is the only way to interpiet scripture correctly. Christ literally fulfilled 108 prophecies literally, to the letter. I do find it amusing though that prophesy is on the verge of being completly fulfilled, and most likely before these "wise men" ever come up with the truth.

Maranatha27 said:

I take the Bible literally. I had an older man at my work, who is an atheist, give me a book called "a letter to a Christian Nation". It made the point that evolution almost totally understood, except for the small fact the can't figure out how it began. I think if evolution is proven as an absolute fact, it would do much violence to the Christian faith, I mean if the first chapters by the Holy Spirt do not mean what the clearly say, there would be a major problem for people who hold the literal interpetation of scripture. As a student of prophesy it is clear that Literal interpetation of scripture, is the only way to interpiet scripture correctly. Christ literally fulfilled 108 prophecies literally, to the letter. I do find it amusing though that prophesy is on the verge of being completly fulfilled, and most likely before these "wise men" ever come up with the truth.

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No theory in science can be proven. Proof is reserved for mathematics and liquor.

Scientific methodology brings to bear the weight of evidence. The evidence is transposed into a model (theory). The model is then used to create predictions, which are then tested. This happens over and over again - but the theory is never proven. Scientific theories contain facts, data, and scientific laws.

This goes for any theory in science be it the theory of gravity, the germ theory, theory of evolution, atomic theory, quantum theory, plate tectonic theory, etc. etc.

This is a very important point to remember since it is the foundation of the science method. Nothing can be proven 100 percent absolutely.

Maranatha27 said:

As a student of prophesy it is clear that Literal interpetation of scripture, is the only way to interpiet scripture correctly.

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my emphasis

And Jesus is a literal vine, isn't he?

No it expresses a greater literal truth of who He is.

The woman of rev 12 is israel, a literal nation, you just study and show yourself approved. context is important, but with dumb questions like that, there might not be hope for you.

Maranatha27 said:

No it expresses a greater literal truth of who He is.

The woman of rev 12 is israel, a literal nation, you just study and show yourself approved. context is important, but with dumb questions like that, there might not be hope for you.

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Just by saying something is "literal" doesn't mean that's what your interpretation is. Interpreting the woman in Revelation 12 as Israel is a figurative interpretation, not literal. Pick up a dictionary or something.