God: either one exists or it does not exist.

Jersey said:

I'm going to post only one question for this topic in hopes that Christians can give an answer based on logic and objective thinking. No scriptures please. The reason I'm asking that you don't post any scripture is because the bible or any other religious text doesn't describe a God at all. It's just mans idea or concept of a God. I want you to define or describe God in your own words please. I'm not trying to provoke any kind of knock down drag out argument here. Just some civil dialog/discussion between believer vs non-believer. Fair enough? That said, here's the question:

How can something that cannot be described be said to exist?

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Jersey I like ur paragraph of thought- very insightful- but I don't like ur follow up question. GOD exists for certain people. However, he does not exist for u. AND??? I'm not trying to prove GOD's existence to u as long as he exists for me. That's how i rationalize things anyway. Other people might have a difference in opinion, though. To each their own, is the way i look at it.

peace

Jersey wrote:

How can something that cannot be described be said to exist?

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My own response to your question is that God cannot be easily described by us but there are attributes of God...

Years ago when about twelve years old a hurricane passed over my house along the Potamac River... The waves crashed.. The clouds stirred and there was lightning and thunder with rain...fierce winds. These were attributes of the storm... but if you asked me at the time and in the heat of the moment it probably would not be that easy for me to describe it. Because I was in awe of something I had hardly experienced before.

Similarly we humans with our senses and limited knowledge of the universe are at a loss to describe even phenomena that are naturally occurring... or that say are in the universe but because of the vastness of time and space we are at a loss..if the above is true then how much more difficult is it for us to describe God.

To me though God can be better comprehended through His Messengers and Prophets and so even tyhough you won't accept any Writings or scriptures they are nonetheless important in your search/attempt to understand God.

- Art

So many things can't be described, not really. The sun would be interesting enough to try. You will get a general agreed upon few facts where there is obviously much more to the picture. Words are skeletons already and next to this it's pointless. It's more a 'can you see?' and I don't know why some can and some cant but Im sure all are equally loved

God bless hugs
Livey

Jersey said:

How can something that cannot be described be said to exist?

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Love is an example of something that can not be descirbed...yet it does exist as part of the human experience. For me, my beloved God is the same. The Divine can not be described, yet it can be experienced and it does exist as part of the human experience.

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dlamberth said:

Love is an example of something that can not be descirbed...yet it does exist as part of the human experience. For me, my beloved God is the same. The Divine can not be described, yet it can be experienced and it does exist as part of the human experience.

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good answer.

I don't know if this would be considered on-topic or not, but I've always thought that it was weird that there is no physical description of Jesus in the Bible. He is considered one of the most important men in all of history and we have absolutely no idea what he looks like. Strange, no?

TheOutsider said:

I don't know if this would be considered on-topic or not, but I've always thought that it was weird that there is no physical description of Jesus in the Bible. He is considered one of the most important men in all of history and we have absolutely no idea what he looks like. Strange, no?

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That's not true. We know Jesus was a white Republican with long blond hair and flowing robes.

MrGoodBytes said:

That's not true. We know Jesus was a white Republican with long blond hair and flowing robes.

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Jersey said:

How can something that cannot be described be said to exist?

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Well, why can't it?

To be able to describe something, you need a language of some sort. Yet before there were humans, there were no languages. Still, things existed before there were humans. Ergo, things that cannot be described can still exist. *insert QED box*

Jersey said:

I'm going to post only one question for this topic in hopes that Christians can give an answer based on logic and objective thinking. No scriptures please. The reason I'm asking that you don't post any scripture is because the bible or any other religious text doesn't describe a God at all. It's just mans idea or concept of a God. I want you to define or describe God in your own words please. I'm not trying to provoke any kind of knock down drag out argument here. Just some civil dialog/discussion between believer vs non-believer. Fair enough? That said, here's the question:

How can something that cannot be described be said to exist?

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God's existance can be understood true His atributes, this is what Quran does.I also dont know what electrons look like but we know them-or believe in their existance- through their specialities.

Jersey said:

I'm going to post only one question for this topic in hopes that Christians can give an answer based on logic and objective thinking. No scriptures please. The reason I'm asking that you don't post any scripture is because the bible or any other religious text doesn't describe a God at all. It's just mans idea or concept of a God. I want you to define or describe God in your own words please. I'm not trying to provoke any kind of knock down drag out argument here. Just some civil dialog/discussion between believer vs non-believer. Fair enough? That said, here's the question:

How can something that cannot be described be said to exist?

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Excellent question. It's not going to make many doubt their faith though. There is a distinct difference between questioning one's faith and doubting it.

dlamberth said:

Love is an example of something that can not be descirbed...yet it does exist as part of the human experience. For me, my beloved God is the same. The Divine can not be described, yet it can be experienced and it does exist as part of the human experience.

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Heh, I was thinking along the same lines.

That's not true. We know Jesus was a white Republican with long blond hair and flowing robes.

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A byproduct of church-ianity, no doubt.

Futuwwa said:

Well, why can't it?

To be able to describe something, you need a language of some sort. Yet before there were humans, there were no languages. Still, things existed before there were humans. Ergo, things that cannot be described can still exist. *insert QED box*

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Great answer!

It reminds me of a chapter from Magick Without Tears.

I are serious Muslim most of the time, but sometimes I do infidel pwnage just for kicks

Here is a thought,

Perhaps the best way to really describe a God that exists or does not is to just look at what you are describing.

Forinstance if I define God to be all that which created the universe and the Earth and all life on Earth, then I can say yes I believe in God. Because I believe in Evolution, that is what made all life on the Earth, scientists have reached a consensus on that.

So my answer to the opening poster is look at what you are describing then say if that exists or not. Don't look at what other people describe, look at what you describe.

Futuwwa said:

I are serious Muslim most of the time, but sometimes I do infidel pwnage just for kicks

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What's an infidel pawnage?

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dlamberth said:

What's an infidel pawnage?

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pwnage = ownage. Surely you know what's meant by that? Or have you spent your time on the Internet under a virtual rock?