Gee Ed, you seem a bit defensive, not to mention angry, but that's ok. You said,
"It is NOT their action that PROVES whether they are TRUE messengers of God or NIOT. The Bible teaches that they should be PROVEN by the DOCTRINES they teach (John 7:16-18)."
Ok, let's look: John 7:16: Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. 17: If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. 18: He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
This is about action, about speaking the truth, but I'll say it again, as long as your 'administration' puts itself as the final judge of what is and isn't God's plan or message, they are putting themselves first and not God.
"Don't you think Jesus and his disciples were an EXCLUSIVE group?"
No, I don't. Anyone who came to listen was welcomed; if they left and didn't join they were not branded as evil or duped.
The only thing exclusive about Jesus is his stating he is the way, the truth and the life; if you look at his life, what he did and said, you can see that his way IS the only way to true spirituality and communion with God. It has nothing to do with administrators or messengers or even apostles. JESUS is the way. All you need to do is read the Gospels, live as Jesus instructed.
"You were WRONGLY taught my friend. On the CONTRARY, Jesus SAID: "Let your heart be troubled; you believe in God, you believe ALSO in me" (John 14:1). This statement ALSO proves that Jesus is NOT the God."
No, it doesn't prove anything about Jesus being or not being God. (And it's 'let NOT your heart be troubled;' I'm assuming that was a typo or oversite.) This is also the speech where Jesus says, "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father," yet you still argue this has nothing to do with Jesus being God.
Oddly, you never quote the most obvious 'argument' concerning Jesus' deity: Matt 10:18: And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
"I am NOT blind to SEE to Jesus was NOT saying he is God in these verses you quoted."
Still, there is that sticky issue of "I and the Father are One." What DOES that mean to you? Is there any other way of explaining it except to say Jesus and God are ONE? as in ONE? I didn't put words in Jesus' mouth, it's right there in black and white. Good thing there are no contradictions in the Bible, eh?
"No. God's messengers do NOT do this. Their doctrine is NOT theirs but God's..."
So, what IS their 'doctrine? What do they tell you to do? How do they direct you to live? Do they ever mention the verses that say, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you, depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Just wondering.
"They do NOT put their OWN words in Jesus' mouth then say that "Jesus SAID this" like what pseudo-Christians do."
Spoken like a true cultist, but that's beside the point. I use direct quotes from Jesus in the Gospels. I don't bother with Paul, or Peter, or John, or James, though I do read them and study them. I see what I see, and I don't need any 'administrator' telling me what it means; I have enough knowledge and wisdom to divine their meanings. (This isn't to say I don't listen to others' interpretations and leave the door open that I could be wrong about an interpretation.)
"You say, "put your faith in God and Jesus." Do you follow your OWN advice my friend?"
Absolutely. Only God and Jesus as I read the words in the Gospels.
"Do you have FAITH in God? God says "LISTEN to Him!" (Matt. 17:5), meaning Jesus. You DON'T! You LISTEN to the Council of Nicea, a council of men led by a Roman Emperor."
Stating the obvious, you know nothing about me or my beliefs or faith. I put no credence in the Council of Nicea or the RCC or any other 'organization' that purports to KNOW the truth.
"Do you have FAITH in Jesus?"
Of course, as I stated above.
"Jesus says "he who BELIEVES in me is NOT condemned, but he who does NOT believe is CONDEMNED already" (John 3:18). You DON'T! Jesus says "ME, a MAN..." and, YOU (referring to the FATHER), the ONLY true God."
You are making a false analogy, and not the first one I've read either. Methinks you need to read Matthew 7:1 again, and again, and again.
"You LISTEN to the councils of Nicea and Constantinople which SAY that Jesus is God and God is in the THREE "persons" AKA "Gods" composed of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit."
I answered this one already; you need to come up with a new accusation.
"WORST, you PUT words in Jesus' mouth. Jesus SAYS "I and the Father are one." You say "Jesus says he is God."
Then I ask again, what does this line mean? You have yet to answer it except to say it doesn't say what it says.
We, members of the IGLESIA NI CRISTO put our FAITH in God and Jesus."
In a roundabout way, you do, yet you're still DIRECTED by men in how to believe instead of reading and following Jesus on your own.
"Study with us and prove for yourself if what I am saying is true or not. Nobody is FORCED to join us. At least, AFTER knowing everything that we believe in, - first hand, you can then make an INTELLIGENT decision on whether you WANT to be SAVED or NOT."
Study with you? I think not my friend, for you've already shown that your way is the pick-and-choose way of many Christians. I can read the Gospels easily enough, thanks anyway.
