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StarJewel said:

What makes you think you won't be able to do that now?

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cos now this is a siple forum site, there are millions out there, i chose this one cos it was centred on god, the rules where with God, i agree some where too harsh, but main point was good, now this is DIY forum, and there will be loads of distraction by non believers sending out their beliefs as truth...and noone will stop them.

this place was oasis in the dessert, but it dried out

StarJewel said:

No, it's still a Christian site. The only difference is that now CF doesn't treat some Christians better than other Christians.

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You mean the "Christians" who deny the Christianity, yet still say they're "Christians" anyway (ie. Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses, Scientologists, Moonies, etc...)? Well, they are not Christians. Now, according to this universalism site, Muslims can even be Christian, homosexuality is a-ok, and Jesus doesn't have to be God.

Nadiine said:

Christians do not thrive in a format that strips what little protection they had from open attack - as he allows skeptics to infiltrate their safe haven to challenge them continually

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Sub-forums can still have their own rules. You can still create a safe-haven if the majority of posters in that sub-forum agree.

StarJewel said:

The WHOLE WEBSITE is Christian, not just the bottom part. The bottom part is just about theological stuff.

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HAHAHA... except it's not funny or correct...

Friends,

I am a relatively new poster to this site. I am also someone that many folks here seem to regard as a heretic or an unbeliever because I am, perish the thought, a Universalist. I do consider myself a Christian. I do not share all of the beliefs of many other Christians, and some folks have told me (against the rules) that I am really not a Christian. But that's fine. I have very much enjoyed the discussions and debates here.

I have been listening to the dismay expressed here over the changes in the site. And since I am a relatively new poster, I am not in a position to weigh in on that debate. I do have a couple of observations. I think people need to decide what they want the site to be. Folks seem already to have weighed in on this in a poll, which they feel the site owner then ignored.

If the site is open to non-Christians, then the site is going to include non-Christian points of view being expressed. If the site is open to all Christians, without an explicit doctrinal statement saying what being a Christian for the purposes of this site means, then the site is going to include posts with the full range of Christian perspectives, including Universalism and Mormonism, most likely. If the site is open to all Christians, then there will be posts from liberal Christians as well as conservative Christians.

The reason the site cannot unite all Christians, at least not in terms of unity of belief or doctrine, is because Christians in the world are not united in belief or doctrine. Christians have long been divided, and that is why there are so many different Christian sects. Someone observed in one of the threads that Christianity seems to be splitting in two. That appears to have some truth, with Christianity splitting into liberal and conservative camps, though this is probably not anything new.

I personally think that differences of viewpoint are healthy, not a problem, and I don't believe in trying to get everyone to adhere to an identical religious doctrine. That's the Unitarian Universalist me speaking. We celebrate doctrinal diversity, not uniformity. I know this is a source of chagrin for quite a few folks here....the idea that Christians should disagree with each other on specific doctrinal or social issues and take different spiritual paths. I also think it's futile to try to create a website for all Christians, and particularly for Christians and non-Christians, that will unite all the Christians as one. I don't think that can happen. If people in a forum want doctrinal agreement and uniformity, they'll need to restrict the forum to people who agree on a specific set of beliefs.

But this forum can have different goals than that. This forum can be a place for Christians and non-Christians of all varieties to engage in robust dialogue and debate. There is great value in bringing together people of diverse viewpoints to discuss with each other their different positions on important religious and social questions. There is great value in Christians from different traditions and different theological perspectives coming together to dialogue, not necessarily with the goal of agreeing on everything, but for the purpose of hearing each other, finding areas of common purpose, and learning more about each other. There is also great value in Christians engaging in dialogue with non-Christians, not for the purposing of converting the non-Christians, but for the purpose of people listening to and learning from each other.

I personally would prefer to have a wide-open forum that encourages dialogue and discussion among people of all viewpoints.

MartinM said:

I can't help but notice that in many sub-forums this change has been all but ignored. It seems that this is yet another change whose main negative result is...the reaction to the change! Brilliant.


Go back to your regular sub-forums and start posting as you did before. See what's really changed. Then get back to us with some meaningful objections. This is just whining for the sake of it.

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the one who whining here is you, that some others disagee with changes.

i will tell you what has changed, people in here, since 777 more than half of my friends left... and there is no longer a feeling of home and warmth when i enter this site.

i used to feel happy coming in here, this was my escape place, now it is a forum and chat , with a big amount of christians in there.

The whole point was to unite, now the main aspect is to socialise

livingword26 said:

Finally got rid of that pesky Christ huh?

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Seems like it

I just read the 777 new rules and realised that those rules cannot fit a Christian community. Its always better having Christian mods and rules laid down on solid Christian principles and not just a democratic vote. Anyway, it is Erwin site and he might have a totally different vision for cf's future.

Personally I am not in support of the new rules at all.

AG said:

cos now this is a siple forum site, there are millions out there, i chose this one cos it was centred on god, the rules where with God, i agree some where too harsh, but main point was good, now this is DIY forum, and there will be loads of distraction by non believers sending out their beliefs as truth...and noone will stop them.

this place was oasis in the dessert, but it dried out

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It's still a Christian site, just like Erwin stated in the announcement.

Breetai said:

You mean the "Christians" who deny the Christianity, yet still say they're "Christians" anyway (ie. Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses, Scientologists, Moonies, etc...)? Well, they are not Christians. Now, according to this universalism site, Muslims can even be Christian, homosexuality is a-ok, and Jesus doesn't have to be God.

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I mean Christians who honestly follow Jesus Christ, no matter what personal theological beliefs they have.

Breetai said:

HAHAHA... except it's not funny or correct...

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Why?

jeffinj said:

I just read the 777 new rules and realised that those rules cannot fit a Christian community. Its always better having Christian mods and rules laid down on solid Christian principles and not just a democratic vote. Anyway, it is Erwin site and he might have a totally different vision for cf's future.

Personally I am not in support of the new rules at all.

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there is no CF any more, so ther is no uture for CF in here. go to www.christcentredforums.com , this might be the future, if they keep it up.

and having a non christian mod on a christian site is same like having muslim security in a christian church...does not make sense.

I do not hold anything against non christians, but there is common sense to everything

StarJewel said:

It's still a Christian site, just like Erwin stated in the announcement.


I mean Christians who honestly follow Jesus Christ, no matter what personal theological beliefs they have.

Why?

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Erwin is lying, if you believe in what he said, you are mistaken.

Gods vision for Christian site cannot involve non christians moredating it , and cannot progress into removing word Christian from the name!

AG said:

Erwin is lying, if you believe in what he said, you are mistaken.

Gods vision for Christian site cannot involve non christians moredating it , and cannot progress into removing word Christian from the name!

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What makes you think that Erwin is lying?

And that's YOUR vision of a Christian site, not God's vision. You're not God.

AG said:

Erwin is lying, if you believe in what he said, you are mistaken.

Gods vision for Christian site cannot involve non christians moredating it , and cannot progress into removing word Christian from the name!

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Amen

Cya, I'm logging off for good.
Mobi

oh yeah, and wastin a big amount of donated money to do a thing that is completeley unnecessary is a big mistake too!

this site had a normal name, no need in changing it, especially to a stage where simply word CHRISTIAN is removed (makes me wonder why he didnt rename it to CF.CF?) and why on earth change it for the price like this? arent there enough things to put money in? charities, poor people, updateing the site...whatever, but something more necessary

StarJewel said:

It's still a Christian site, just like Erwin stated in the announcement.

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You can't see through lies so easily? Just look at my signature!

I mean Christians who honestly follow Jesus Christ, no matter what personal theological beliefs they have.

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Are you trying to say that if I believe that Jesus was the offspring between one of many gods in this universe and one of his wives, and that if we are good and believe that, we can also be a god and rule our own planet, then I am a Christian?

I think not.

StarJewel said:

The WHOLE WEBSITE is Christian, not just the bottom part. The bottom part is just about theological stuff.

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You don't get it which is understandable.

Look, he's opened up the "faith" (formerly CHRISTIAN) section to atheists and any other skeptic that cares to go in there and attack/challenge people's faith, worldview, beliefs and opinions AS Christians.
I've already had some lovely run-in's where an atheist told me to stop my religious babble (to keep religion out of the issue).
WHAT'S THE POINT THEN IN A SUPPOSEDLY CHRISTIAN AREA while debating a Christian!??

He didn't have to do that. He's compounded the harm by opening up Christians to outside attacks within their own community.
IF CHRISTIANS WANTED TO BE CHALLENGED, THEY COULD HEAD OVER TO THE NONCHRISTIAN AREA TO DEBATE & DISCUSS.
He completely wiped out the ability to just have some peace & enjoyment in their own little cubbyhole!

Further, he had wiped out any semblance of ORDER and UNITY by cancelling the Preamble which at the VERY least was at least a small shred of what UNIFIED any Christians here.
That Nicene Creed wasn't the best agreement, BUT IT AT LEAST WAS ONE, that attempted to somewhat clarify what CF recognized could qualify as a "Christian".

HE TOOK OUT A TRINITY/CHRIST'S DEITY - that you must repent, that Jesus died for sin and rose again, and then calls it "CHRISTIAN"???
He's just opened the Christian section up to full blown heretics who come in professing that the Trinity is a false heresy & they're Christians ---
AND THAT'S NOT A VIOLATION anymore.

He's removed any definition of a Christian to open it up to anyone's claims & beliefs & calls that the "faith" section... expecting to have a healthy group of Christians TO WITNESS TO THE LOST??? (duh).
Witness what?? confusion??

If you disagree with me, I don't personally care - I know where I stand biblically. It's a sign of the times God foretold:
IT'S CALLED UNIVERSALISM - ONE WORLD RELIGION - THE MELTING POT OF ANY & ALL FAITHS (excluding Christians who are 'exclusivistic' of course!) TO BE ONE BIG SPIRITUAL FAMILY.
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Jhn 10:1 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.
Jhn 10:2 "But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep.
Jhn 10:3 "To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
Jhn 10:4 "When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.
Jhn 10:5 "A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers."

Jhn 10:26 "But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.
Jhn 10:27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;

StarJewel said:

What makes you think that Erwin is lying?

And that's YOUR vision of a Christian site, not God's vision. You're not God.

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First Erwin stated long ago this board would always hold the nicene creed and would always be Christian.

LIE

Then he said in his poll on whether or nmot to change this board that he would defer to the will of the majority.

LIE

Now non christians are moderating and Christ is even being blasphemed in the announcement forum.

StarJewel said:

What makes you think that Erwin is lying?

And that's YOUR vision of a Christian site, not God's vision. You're not God.

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She doesn't THINK he is lying, she KNOWS it. Just look at my signature.

Erwin has been stringing us along on his scam for quite a while now, and collecting many member's money while he's at it. I'm pretty sure there's something in the Bible about lying, bearing false witness and theft/extortion...

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