Does your church....

StormyOne · Aug 4, 2007

honorthesabbath said:
God tells us to...Le 19:30 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

In the OT there were multiple "sabbaths" that the COI were directed to observe.... Likewise the COI did not go into the sanctuary like we do today. The directive given by God at that time was a corrective to prevent idolatry, i.e. do not defile my sanctuary by worshiping idols. While there may be a principle that can be extrapolated from the above verse it should be noted that we are talking about two different sanctuaries and two different kinds of sabbath observance.

freeindeed2 · Aug 4, 2007

I hear all this talk of donuts and coffee, meat eating at potluck, sugar, etc., and 'lowering standards'. But one thing I never understood when I was SDA, and still don't now, is that SDAism teaches that going to church/worshiping God on Sunday (corporately at least) is evil as it will cause one to receive the Mark of the Beast. Why in the world then would an SDA church rent it's building to those who they believe to be in league with the Beast? Wouldn't that be a far greater 'defilement' in an SDA church than a cup of coffee?

Eila · Aug 4, 2007

Telaquapacky said:
Hi, Eila!

Most of the churches I have had membership in have rented to Sunday congregations and it usually has worked out very well. The only down side is when my church in Berkeley rented to the Church of Christ, and they didn't stay more than six months because they outgrew our sanctuary. (the sigh's for us, not for the CoC)

Remember that any SDA church that rents out to another church can only do this after consulting with the entire congregation at a church business meeting and voting on it. Some degree of charismata is acceptable to most of the Adventists I know, but I don't think that any congregation I have ever been a member of could raise enough votes to allow a "Benny Hinn" experience to be going on in the sanctuary. Eila, certainly your church is more genuinely spiritual than Benny Hinn.

Well, Benny Hinn goes along with "off the wall" teachings, but it would not be unusual to have people falling down in my church. :swoon:

It sounds like it wouldn't be worth my time to explore it because I live in a more conservative SDA area.

djconklin · Aug 4, 2007

Well, Benny Hinn goes along with "off the wall" teachings

Other Christian writers were more on the mark: heresy. He and several others (like Kennedy) were featured in a book (all mine are packed up and which box I don't know!) as preaching things that weren't biblical.

It sounds like it wouldn't be worth my time to explore it

Why did you want to?

Eila · Aug 4, 2007

djconklin said:
Why did you want to?

Thought it would be better to meet in a church building than a hotel.

djconklin · Aug 4, 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by honorthesabbath

God tells us to...Le 19:30 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

In the OT there were multiple "sabbaths" that the COI were directed to observe.... Likewise the COI did not go into the sanctuary like we do today.

Leviticus 19:3

Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.

This was given before the ceremonial sabbaths were given in chapter 23. The phrase "my sabbaths" always refers to the seventh-day Sabbath.

You don't have to go inside to have reverance for the sanctuary.

djconklin · Aug 4, 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by djconklin
Why did you want to?

Thought it would be better to meet in a church building than a hotel.

Your church meets there?

Eila · Aug 4, 2007

djconklin said:
Your church meets there?

At a hotel? No, my church does not exist yet. But there are many churches I attend that meet at a hotel or school.

djconklin · Aug 4, 2007

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ROFL! That's squirrel tracks! I was "indisposed."

But one thing I never understood when I was SDA, and still don't now, is that SDAism teaches that going to church/worshiping God on Sunday (corporately at least) is evil as it will cause one to receive the Mark of the Beast. Why in the world then would an SDA church rent it's building to those who they believe to be in league with the Beast? Wouldn't that be a far greater 'defilement' in an SDA church than a cup of coffee?

Sin is not counted by God as a sin until you are aware of it. So, we have had entire churches become SDA's when they learned about the Sabbath. It isn't until the end of time when people have made their choices that they receive the mark of the beast. So, having other Christians renting space from us so that they worship God is not a problem for us and there is no defilement of the mere building. The only church that counts is the body of believers.

djconklin · Aug 4, 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by djconklin
Your church meets there?

At a hotel? No, my church does not exist yet. But there are many churches I attend that meet at a hotel or school.

Then there's no problem. The place is just a building.

Eila · Aug 4, 2007

djconklin said:
Then there's no problem. The place is just a building.

I'm not sure what you mean. Hotels and schools are not ideal locations when you have kids classes.

GlorifyHim · Aug 4, 2007

Our Adventist Church rented out our church to a nondenomenational church for a handsome sum. Within one year ... they outgrew our church. They build a huge church of their own eventually. In a few years , our same Pastor divided our church and the smaller group went to this nondenominational church and asked if we could rent it. They said no rent was needed , but we could use it on Saturdays free of charge.

Now that is the RIGHT Christian spirit.

TrustAndObey · Aug 4, 2007

GlorifyHim said:
Our Adventist Church rented out our church to a nondenomenational church for a handsome sum. Within one year ... they outgrew our church. They build a huge church of their own eventually. In a few years , our same Pastor divided our church and the smaller group went to this nondenominational church and asked if we could rent it. They said no rent was needed , but we could use it on Saturdays free of charge.

Now that is the RIGHT Christian spirit.

Amen.

I guess at one point we had a group renting from our church on Sundays and the ladies from that church offered to come in on Saturdays and do childcare for us, if we'd do the same on Sundays.

They outgrew our little church, but I thought that was really sweet of them.

Running the lights and sound systems, etc does cost extra money, so I can understand wanting a little compensation for that. I've never seen that church leave anything in our church (except a hand-out for their service...which showed how much they received each week in tithes), and they always leave it very neat.

I don't see the big deal, because like Conklin said, it's just a building.

True belief is in the heart of the believers within it.

StormyOne · Aug 4, 2007

djconklin said:
Leviticus 19:3
Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.

This was given before the ceremonial sabbaths were given in chapter 23. The phrase "my sabbaths" always refers to the seventh-day Sabbath.

You don't have to go inside to have reverance for the sanctuary.

you sure? There is never a time when the phrase "my sabbaths" wasn't referring to the sabbaths of jubilee? I will check on this today...

If the only people who went into the sanctuary at that time were the priests, couldn't it be that this directive was specifically for them?

djconklin · Aug 4, 2007

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Leviticus 19:3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 19:30 (similar wording at 26:2) Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Isaiah 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

Ezekiel 20:13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Ezekiel 20:16 Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols.

Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

Ezekiel 20:21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.

Ezekiel 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.

Ezekiel 22:8 You have despised My holy things and profaned My sabbaths.

Ezekiel 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

Ezekiel 23:38 Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

Ezekiel 44:24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.

Mankin · Aug 4, 2007

freeindeed2 said:
I hear all this talk of donuts and coffee, meat eating at potluck, sugar, etc., and 'lowering standards'. But one thing I never understood when I was SDA, and still don't now, is that SDAism teaches that going to church/worshiping God on Sunday (corporately at least) is evil as it will cause one to receive the Mark of the Beast. Why in the world then would an SDA church rent it's building to those who they believe to be in league with the Beast? Wouldn't that be a far greater 'defilement' in an SDA church than a cup of coffee?

I have not heard that. I don't think most churchs believe that is evil if someone goes to church and worships God on Sunday.

TrustAndObey · Aug 4, 2007

I worship God on Sunday.

I also worship Him every other day of the week.

Not everyday is His Sabbath, but nonetheless, I do worship Him on Sunday.

Mankin · Aug 4, 2007

Yep. It would seem stupid to say, "It's Sunday, can't worship the Lord today!" We need to renew our relationship with the Lord everyday through worship.

sentipente · Aug 4, 2007

TrustAndObey said:
Not everyday is His Sabbath, but nonetheless, I do worship Him on Sunday.

Saying "His Sabbath" instead of "the Sabbath" attempts to give the impression that He has always had this Sabbath before the Creation. We are transforming the Creator into the working class.

djconklin · Aug 4, 2007

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Then there's no problem. The place is just a building.

I'm not sure what you mean. Hotels and schools are not ideal locations when you have kids classes.

Hmmm, they usually have classes in schools.

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