I think I felt a bad presence at a youth group..

Just thought I would share with you guys. A little over a week ago, I attended a youth group. When we were worshiping I could feel a presense (Least I think I did)
This was really the first time I actrully worshiped with my heart (I think). Anyway's I could feel someone walking around me in a cirlce. It was like a perfect circle. I thought it was god or an angel at first. But then it came by my face and it looked like it sneered or something. And then it walked away. Then after the youth group, some of the youth group people and I went to a resturant. I felt very happy, and calm.
Thats about it. Before I worshiped to god that night, I kept on thinking in my head I would finnally get rid of that demon. Anyways, I think he came back. Because I did some bad things again (nothing illegal) i'm trying to stay away from bad music right now. Key word TRYING.
Thanks for listening to my story.

Ps.. I think 2 days after this event, I lost alot of my emotions. Where it was hard to feel anger, grief and ect. Happeniess was still there. Anyone think they could answer this? I have some deep depression issues though. Might be that.

Josh3456 said:

Just thought I would share with you guys. A little over a week ago, I attended a youth group. When we were worshiping I could feel a presense (Least I think I did)
This was really the first time I actrully worshiped with my heart (I think). Anyway's I could feel someone walking around me in a cirlce. It was like a perfect circle. I thought it was god or an angel at first. But then it came by my face and it looked like it sneered or something. And then it walked away. Then after the youth group, some of the youth group people and I went to a resturant. I felt very happy, and calm.
Thats about it. Before I worshiped to god that night, I kept on thinking in my head I would finnally get rid of that demon. Anyways, I think he came back. Because I did some bad things again (nothing illegal) i'm trying to stay away from bad music right now. Key word TRYING.
Thanks for listening to my story.

Ps.. I think 2 days after this event, I lost alot of my emotions. Where it was hard to feel anger, grief and ect. Happeniess was still there. Anyone think they could answer this? I have some deep depression issues though. Might be that.

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Satan and his devils will try to do anything in their powers to stop true worship, all you do is, rebuke him and keep worshipping. (smile)

ivory said:

Satan and his devils will try to do anything in their powers to stop true worship, all you do is, rebuke him and keep worshipping. (smile)

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Thanks, yeah, IDK if he was stoping true worship. But well its hard for me to worship alot. I mean I get angry at other christians during worship alot. I guess they are doing that, maybe:O

...seems like your having a hard time fully commiting to God, I know I had a similar thing happen to me as well except it was more in my stomach like a sick feeling. I couldn't give up old things that I did with my friends and at the time I felt like I was devoted, but after I kept getting this feeling and I think it was God trying to get me to realize how much farther I had to go in my faith. It could be different for you I don't know, but it seems like someone is trying to tell you something.

"A little over a week ago, I attended a youth group."

Kewl. I used to be an adult volunteer in my former church's youth group.

"When we were worshiping I could feel a presense (Least I think I did)
This was really the first time I actrully worshiped with my heart (I think). Anyway's I could feel someone walking around me in a cirlce. It was like a perfect circle. I thought it was god or an angel at first. But then it came by my face and it looked like it sneered or something."

You actually saw it? I thought you said you felt it.

"And then it walked away. Then after the youth group, some of the youth group people and I went to a resturant. I felt very happy, and calm."

Weird, that a demon would enter a church but not a restaurant.

"Thats about it. Before I worshiped to god that night, I kept on thinking in my head I would finnally get rid of that demon. Anyways, I think he came back. Because I did some bad things again (nothing illegal) i'm trying to stay away from bad music right now."

What is "bad" music for you. Right now I'm listening to Judas Priest. Would they be bad?

"Key word TRYING."

That's certainly good, but allow the Holy Spirit to work in your life too. We have to surrender completely to God and submit fully. With His help, you will overcome whatever problem you're having.

"Ps.. I think 2 days after this event, I lost alot of my emotions. Where it was hard to feel anger, grief and ect. Happeniess was still there. Anyone think they could answer this? I have some deep depression issues though. Might be that."

It could be your depression. I would say you're experiencing what St. John of the Cross wrote about in his poem, the Dark Night of the Soul. But you said you experienced happiness. When you're going through the Dark Night, you experience nothing. You feel dead and like you are in a void. So I don't know if what you're going through is a spiritual attack of some kind or a mental disorder like depression. I have depression too, and I know how it can suck the life out of you. Are you on any anti-depressants?

Kewl. I used to be an adult volunteer in my former church's youth group.

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...you know I don't know you and I don't try and judge, but the way you ripped his post to pieces is kinda lame. its kinda good your a former volenteer. he was trying to explain what was going on. maybe he doesn't fully understand it, things can be confusing. but you ripping up what he's got to say... yeah im sure that helped (yes that was sarcasm).

Josh3456 said:

Just thought I would share with you guys. A little over a week ago, I attended a youth group. When we were worshiping I could feel a presense (Least I think I did)
This was really the first time I actrully worshiped with my heart (I think). Anyway's I could feel someone walking around me in a cirlce. It was like a perfect circle. I thought it was god or an angel at first. But then it came by my face and it looked like it sneered or something. And then it walked away. Then after the youth group, some of the youth group people and I went to a resturant. I felt very happy, and calm.
Thats about it. Before I worshiped to god that night, I kept on thinking in my head I would finnally get rid of that demon. Anyways, I think he came back. Because I did some bad things again (nothing illegal) i'm trying to stay away from bad music right now. Key word TRYING.
Thanks for listening to my story.

Ps.. I think 2 days after this event, I lost alot of my emotions. Where it was hard to feel anger, grief and ect. Happeniess was still there. Anyone think they could answer this? I have some deep depression issues though. Might be that.

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Hi, I remember when I became a Christian, I was sitting in the pew at church and felt like there was a hanging blade over my neck. I even looked up (we were praying) to see if something was there. That's the only time I had such an experience. It's not because you are doing bad things that we are attacked.

It is written:

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

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Also I have noticed when depressed that I sense things that I don't like to sense. I pray through these and ask God to take them away.

God bless you brother.

I wasn't clear if you had a specific question or not, so just replied with above. Tapero

gier12 said:

...seems like your having a hard time fully commiting to God, I know I had a similar thing happen to me as well except it was more in my stomach like a sick feeling. I couldn't give up old things that I did with my friends and at the time I felt like I was devoted, but after I kept getting this feeling and I think it was God trying to get me to realize how much farther I had to go in my faith. It could be different for you I don't know, but it seems like someone is trying to tell you something.

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Hi, In my previous post I put the scripture that speaks of our battle. A mature Christian can experience these same things. Why would demons trouble us if we were doing something sinful. They would be gleeful. God does not punish us, and send demons to taunt us if we sin. He corrects us gently, as a loving father would do. Nothing to be afraid of.

I don't think anything is trying to tell him something. It is the spiritual battle we are in.
God bless you, Tapero

Josh3456 said:

Thanks, yeah, IDK if he was stoping true worship. But well its hard for me to worship alot. I mean I get angry at other christians during worship alot. I guess they are doing that, maybe:O

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Galations 5 is imperative for a Christian to read & understand.
If your mind is focused on being angry at other Christians DURING worship, then you aren't truly worshipping God at that moment.

Worship of God is in SPIRIT and in TRUTH. Jesus also said:
Mt. 5-
23 "Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you,
24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.

We have to get rid of all this baggage that is clouding up & stunting our close relationship w/ God. Then we wonder why we don't have victory in our Christian walk. (we all have some).

Yeah, I guess I did not explain it well enough. But it wasn't an attack from a demon. It was just simply, a demon walking away. Like he gave up or something at that moment. It was a postive thing for me. Sorry that I have bad grammar. I'll try to correct it. I didn't know that felt a presence was different. I couldn't really see the demon. I think I could see him in a really distorted view. But I think that experience was good, because the demon just walked away. The night it happend was a special night. I think I was truely worshiping then.

I don't think anything is trying to tell him something. It is the spiritual battle we are in.

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So maybe this sick feeling I was getting could just be my own spiritual battle? I guess I never looked at it like that.

Josh3456 said:

Yeah, I guess I did not explain it well enough. But it wasn't an attack from a demon. It was just simply, a demon walking away. Like he gave up or something at that moment. It was a postive thing for me. Sorry that I have bad grammar. I'll try to correct it. I didn't know that felt a presence was different. I couldn't really see the demon. I think I could see him in a really distorted view. But I think that experience was good, because the demon just walked away. The night it happend was a special night. I think I was truely worshiping then.

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Dear Josh,
That is awesome!
Tapero

gier12 said:

So maybe this sick feeling I was getting could just be my own spiritual battle? I guess I never looked at it like that.

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Yeah! I get that feeling alot too. Just try to be more pure. When I do that, I get a watery feeling. Maybe it symbolizes getting cleaned?

gier12 said:

...you know I don't know you and I don't try and judge, but the way you ripped his post to pieces is kinda lame. its kinda good your a former volenteer. he was trying to explain what was going on. maybe he doesn't fully understand it, things can be confusing. but you ripping up what he's got to say... yeah im sure that helped (yes that was sarcasm).

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Show me where I "ripped it up" as you say. What I did is a line by line breakdown, it's a common way to answer posts online. I answered his post the way I answer all posts. I'm direct and to the point and give my observations and opinions about what I read and that's what I've done here. I do find it interesting that a demon entered a church, but not a restaurant. Churches are sacred ground and supposedly off limits to demons. I also gave him a resource he can check out, called Dark Night of the Soul, by St. John of the Cross, to see if he is experiencing the Dark Night of the Soul. I've been through it once, and it's not something I would wish on my worst adversary. I also sympathized with him and his depression because I have it too. What have you done? You've been sarcastic, judgemental and arrogant. And to say that it's a good thing I'm not a volunteer anymore? What are you basing that on? The fact that you don't like my posting style? Good standard you've got there. You're right you don't know me and I don't know you, but I don't go around judging how other people respond to posts, you do. That's your prerogative apparently. And you seem perfectly fine in judging my response as being lame, even though you claim you do not judge, also interesting. If the way I respond to posts is "lame" to you as you so lovingly put it, put me on ignore or skip my posts. You obviously can't handle them.

Zecryphon said:

Show me where I "ripped it up" as you say. What I did is a line by line breakdown, it's a common way to answer posts online. I answered his post the way I answer all posts. I'm direct and to the point and give my observations and opinions about what I read. You're right you don't know me and I don't know you, but I don't go around judging how other people respond to posts, you do. That's your perogative apparently. And you seem perfectly fine in judging my response as being lame, even though you claim you do not judge, ineteresting. If the way I respond to posts is "lame" to you as you so lovingly put it, put me on ignore or skip my posts. You obviously can't handle them.

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Maybe we can just forget this whole thing . I know i'm horrible at writing. (Yet I get good grades at school for writing papers , but I try harder there)

Josh3456 said:

Maybe we can just forget this whole thing . I know i'm horrible at writing. (Yet I get good grades at school for writing papers , but I try harder there)

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Josh, do you have a problem with what I wrote to you and how I wrote it or how I said it? I think not, because you would have said something to me if you did, either in this forum or in a private message. The person who has a problem with what I wrote might have a problem with alot of people who aren't just gushing love and good happy feelings in every single line of their posts. There are people like that, nothing wrong with being that way, but when you project your own bias for what you like to see in a post upon other people, then you have a problem. Right now she is the only one with a problem, I responded to her criticisms of me and have moved on. People like the person who responded to my posting style, aren't worth the energy it will eventually take to explain to them why they're wrong in their assessment.

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Josh, do you have a problem with what I wrote to you and how I wrote it or how I said it? I think not, because you would have said something to me if you did, either in this forum or in a private message. The person who has a problem with what I wrote might have a problem with alot of people who aren't just gushing love and good happy feelings in every single line of their posts. There are people like that, nothing wrong with being that way, but when you project your own bias for what you like to see in a post upon other people, then you have a problem. Right now she is the only one with a problem, I responded to her criticisms of me and have moved on. People like the person who responded to my posting style, aren't worth the energy it will eventually take to explain to them why they're wrong in their assessment.

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I've run into a similar problem with a few people at CF.
I'm not that type of person who's lovey dovey either. I mean, I love people, and I'm passionate, I'm just not all slathery on people. lol

People mistake blunt or short answers as if I'm being nasty, and I'm not. It's also hard for me to keep typing out all the little ways to gently curb & soften everything so people think I'm being fluffy - my hands get tired. lol

I have a direct, honest approach to reply directly & try to stay on point. More analytical.
Sometimes I blow it & get frustrated, but usually I don't.

I agree, people sometimes project their biases - so if you aren't pouring syrup on people, you're automatically mean & nasty.

Nadiine said:

I've run into a similar problem with a few people at CF.
I'm not that type of person who's lovey dovey either. I mean, I love people, and I'm passionate, I'm just not all slathery on people. lol

People mistake blunt or short answers as if I'm being nasty, and I'm not. It's also hard for me to keep typing out all the little ways to gently curb & soften everything so people think I'm being fluffy - my hands get tired. lol

I have a direct, honest approach to reply directly & try to stay on point. More analytical.
Sometimes I blow it & get frustrated, but usually I don't.

I agree, people sometimes project their biases - so if you aren't pouring syrup on people, you're automatically mean & nasty.

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Finally! Somebody who "gets" me! ;-)

Josh3456 said:

Just thought I would share with you guys. A little over a week ago, I attended a youth group. When we were worshiping I could feel a presense (Least I think I did)
This was really the first time I actrully worshiped with my heart (I think). Anyway's I could feel someone walking around me in a cirlce. It was like a perfect circle. I thought it was god or an angel at first. But then it came by my face and it looked like it sneered or something. And then it walked away. Then after the youth group, some of the youth group people and I went to a resturant. I felt very happy, and calm.
Thats about it. Before I worshiped to god that night, I kept on thinking in my head I would finnally get rid of that demon. Anyways, I think he came back. Because I did some bad things again (nothing illegal) i'm trying to stay away from bad music right now. Key word TRYING.
Thanks for listening to my story.

Ps.. I think 2 days after this event, I lost alot of my emotions. Where it was hard to feel anger, grief and ect. Happeniess was still there. Anyone think they could answer this? I have some deep depression issues though. Might be that.

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The Word of God admonishes us to "submit to God, resist the devil and he will flee from you." Unfortunately, many Christians only quote the "resist the devil" part and either don't know the first part of the verse or fail to recognize that you can't do the second part (the resisting) before the first part (submitting to God)!

As far as the bad music is concerned, remember, "garbage in, garbage out." I would strongly suggest you not only read Philippians 4:8 but memorize it and make it your priority as far as not only what you listen to, but also what you allow yourself to watch, etc.

God will give you the strength to overcome your temptations - BUT you must first be submitted to Him!

Make your youth count for the cause of Christ - i was a Christian at your age and can honestly say that God used me to His glory in a mighty way because i was submitted and committed to Him above all!




Ray

1. The Word of God is the criterion of the Christian life.


2. Emotion is to be enjoyed, understood and evaluated, but this is impossible without the absolute criterion for the Christian way of life: The Word of God, Bible doctrine.


3. Emotion is not the criterion in the Christian way of life. The use of emotionalism is a substitute for ignorance of the Word of God. Use objectivity (Scriptural principles) in ascertaining the filling of the Holy Spirit. Don’t get subjective (emotional).


4. Emotion has a place in your life, emotion is the appreciator of the soul. Song of Solomon 1:7; 2 Peter 2:8; Luke 12:19.


5. When you are born-again this information is communicated into your soul. You may or may not have an emotion. Your emotion has nothing to do with the spiritual reality of your salvation. Emotionalism is soulish, human activity — unless controlled by the Holy Spirit.


6. When the human spirit sends doctrine to the emotions, the believer appreciates God. No doctrine and there is no appreciation of God.


7. Emotion is a response to something in the thought pattern, a result of what you think. When you think Bible doctrine you appreciate things on the basis of Bible doctrine.


8. Emotion (when it is not in its proper place) has an effect on the physical body, like psychosomatic illness.


9. When you refuse doctrine you create a vacuum wherein comes religion, emotionalism; and these emotions become involved and you make emotion your criterion. You then become one miserable person.


10. Some make emotion a false criteria of spirituality.


11. Everyone has emotions. Emotions are to enjoy things in life, such as people, a beautiful scene, a concert, football game, etc. But emotion has no place as a criterion, norm or standard for the Christian life. The criterion for the Christian life is the Word of God. When you have Bible doctrine you can even appreciate the details of life because they become points of doctrine.