AUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!! Please Explain!

I'll help with what I know...

Historic: Everything in Revelation has happened.
Futurist: Everything in Revelation is yet to come.
Amillennialism: There is no "1000 year Reign" of Christ on earth before the Judgement. There is no Rapture.
Premillennialism: This is the time BEFORE the "1000 year Reign" of Christ on earth before the Judgement. The Rapture is yet to come.
Postmillenialism: This is the time DURING the "1000 year Reign" of Christ on earth before the Judgement. The Rapture has happened.
Pretribulation: This is the time BEFORE the period of great trouble signified by the bowls poured upon the earth in Revelation.
Mid and Post: Well.......You get the idea.....

Best I can do.... Good luck.

check out the little google search here and you should find more than enough info.

MidnightCandel777 said:

When I joined CF, I went through the process of setting up my profile, when I came across a section as to choose my End-Time view.

Could someone please explain what each of thease mean?;

Historic
Preterist
Futurist
Amillennialism
Premillennialism
Postmillennialism
Pretribulation
Midtribulation
Posttribulation

Thank you!

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Wow! You don't ask for too much do ya? LOL I believe this forum could answer all those questions for you. If not a simple Google search should yield some results. Also a good book on theology might be another way to go. Wayne Grudem has an awesome one called Systematic Theology or An Introduction to Systematic Theology. I had a choice between buying Grudem's book and Charles Ryrie's Basic Theology and I chose Ryrie on name recognition alone. I should have gone with Grudem. I had checked that one out of my church's library at the time and it was just hands down a much better book.

MidnightCandel777 said:

When I joined CF, I went through the process of setting up my profile, when I came across a section as to choose my End-Time view.

Could someone please explain what each of thease mean?;

Historic
Preterist
Futurist
Amillennialism
Premillennialism
Postmillennialism
Pretribulation
Midtribulation
Posttribulation

Thank you!

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I didn't answer that area either and that's because I'm going to find out when I get there.

None of those terms are going to help me with my Christian walk. People tend to get lost in details that will be reveled with time.

Look how many people waste their time trying to work out when Jesus is coming back. Even Jesus tells us HE doesn't know the time, but you had better be ready when HE does return or you might miss the boat.

Apply the teachings rather than spending all your time trying to work out things you can't possibly work out until you leave this earth or Jesus returns. Some things are best left to faith.

God bless.

I am a Pan trib....it will all pan out in the end. Hard to tell what is going to happen.

Historicists believe that Revelation is allegorical and that it is desciribing the events of history.
Preterists believe that everything in Revelation was fulfilled, including Christ's return, with the destruction of the Jewish temple in AD 70 and that we are in the millennial reign (Rev 20:4) and Satan is bound and unable to tempt us
Futurists believe that the events in Revelation are yet to come, and most believe they are literal.

Amillennialists believe that we are now in the millennial kingdom, and that it is describing a spiritual rule by Christ.
Premillennialists believe that the millennial kingdom is yet to come with the Second Coming of Christ and that it is a literal 1,000-year reign by Christ on earth.
Postmillennialists believe that we will bring the kingdom of God to earth as things get progressively better.

Pretribulationists believe that the Rapture (1 Corinthians 15:51-57) will occur before the seven-year tribulation (Daniel 9:27).
Midtribulationists believe that the Rapture will occur sometime in the middle of the tribulation.
Posttribulationists believe that the Rapture will occur just before Armageddon at the end of the tribulation.

Hope this is accurate and that it helps.

As far as I know only premillennialists believe in the Rapture.

I am a Pan trib....it will all pan out in the end. Hard to tell what is going to happen. <----------Judahspraise said that.
I like that. It pretty well spells out where we will all be.

Stan53 said:

I am a Pan trib....it will all pan out in the end. Hard to tell what is going to happen. <----------Judahspraise said that.
I like that. It pretty well spells out where we will all be.

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well, I can't say that I am necessarily any of the ones listed...we don't know when Jesus is coming back...but I don't think we go THROUGH the trib...cause in revelation where all that stuff is being spelled out, the 'church' isn't mentioned...and we are the church...but then...WHO knows....so it will Pan out in the end! LOL

Not sure where I fit in with all these teachings. I have always believed....."as it was in the days of Noah"....."as it was in the days of Lot"......so shall it be....said Jesus.

Noah and Lot both escaped the coming judgement. I also have felt that the righteous, 'in Jesus' will escape any coming judgement.

Jesus talked of some that were ready, and went in, or were caught up. That is the absolutely vital thing......being ready.

lol

I don't remember seeing that list in The Word.

cavell said:

Not sure where I fit in with all these teachings. I have always believed....."as it was in the days of Noah"....."as it was in the days of Lot"......so shall it be....said Jesus.

Noah and Lot both escaped the coming judgement. I also have felt that the righteous, 'in Jesus' will escape any coming judgement.

Jesus talked of some that were ready, and went in, or were caught up. That is the absolutely vital thing......being ready.

lol

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Not to off topic this but I have always heard "God has not appointed us to wrath" from Thessalonians to explain the pre trib rapture. First of all that "wrath" could mean either/or the wrath of God at the final judgment - or the wrath of God during the tribulation.

Revelation 16:1 "And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth."

There's the trumpet judgments before that and also the antichrist and mark of the beast enforced before that. Paul writes in 2 Thessalonians 2 that our gathering together unto Christ will not come until the man of sin is revealed.

Noah and Lot were not taken out of the world. Noah rode out the flood in an ark upon the waters of Earth - Lot went to a mountain just far enough away from Sodom so as to not be consumed. Neither were taken up as were Enoch or Elijah. These 2 are more closely related to a rapture event. Furthermore John being taken up through the door in Revelation 4 is talking about him personally being taken in the spirit similar to Paul in 2 Corinthians 12. Matthew 24:29 - 30 tell us that "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days will appear the sign of the Son of Man and his angels will gather his elect." Revelation 14:14 - 20 explains this event in more detail and it is after the harvest of the earth (believers) the vine of the earth (unbelievers) are cast into the winepress of the wrath of God. This leads us up to the vials of Gods wrath in Rev. 16.

I see nothing else anywhere in scripture saying there are 2 gatherings to Christ. Therefore I believe the rapture will occur during the tribulation but before the vial/wrath judgments.

So that's why I can't really answer most in that list...
Perhaps a "pre-wrath" choice?

Judahspraise said:

I am a Pan trib....it will all pan out in the end. Hard to tell what is going to happen.

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Well I definitely believe in the Rapture, so all I know is that in the twinkling of an eye....swooosh.... I'll be gone. Maranatha!

I personally teach and believe that the Church WILL go through the tribulation. However, I am not dogmatic about it. I believe that Matthew 24, the Book of Revelation, and books teach the Christian this most important principle: "Be Ready."

I teach my congregation the "Be ready" principle, because, if I am right and the Church goes through the tribulation, they are ready.

However, if I am wrong and we are out of here, no big deal, we'll be with the Father.

If however, those who teach that you don't have to worry, no way, no shape or form about the Church going through the tribulation, and they are wrong, those teachers/preachers didn't get their congregation ready, and the outcome for them could be disasterous.

Ready and wrong, no big deal
Not ready and wrong, ????

fishon

fishon said:

I personally teach and believe that the Church WILL go through the tribulation. However, I am not dogmatic about it. I believe that Matthew 24, the Book of Revelation, and books teach the Christian this most important principle: "Be Ready."

I teach my congregation the "Be ready" principle, because, if I am right and the Church goes through the tribulation, they are ready.

However, if I am wrong and we are out of here, no big deal, we'll be with the Father.

If however, those who teach that you don't have to worry, no way, no shape or form about the Church going through the tribulation, and they are wrong, those teachers/preachers didn't get their congregation ready, and the outcome for them could be disasterous.

Ready and wrong, no big deal
Not ready and wrong, ????

fishon

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I agree--I believe firmly in the Rapture but I don't think it's anything that needs to be taught as dogma. Do you think that those who are saved will be caught up in the Rapture if they don't believe in the Rapture?

15, make it a happy birthday.

You wrote: "Do you think that those who are saved will be caught up in the Rapture if they don't believe in the Rapture?"

Oh no. I see absolutely no evidence of that. I have not, as far as I can recall, ever hear a 'pre-triber' teach that. However, I have hear and read some [not many] teach that if you teach the church will go through the tribulation, that teacher/preacher is NOT saved. Of course that is ridiculous. How one believes about eschatology has NOTHING to do with one's salvation.

And if someone was to tell me that I was not going to make the rapture because I taught incorrectly, I would ask them to tell me how much of the study of eschatology I need to get right to make that trip? Those kind of people love to split 'frog hairs,' and 'frog hair' is real thin.

In Christ,
fishon

fishon said:

15, make it a happy birthday.

You wrote: "Do you think that those who are saved will be caught up in the Rapture if they don't believe in the Rapture?"

Oh no. I see absolutely no evidence of that. I have not, as far as I can recall, ever hear a 'pre-triber' teach that. However, I have hear and read some [not many] teach that if you teach the church will go through the tribulation, that teacher/preacher is NOT saved. Of course that is ridiculous. How one believes about eschatology has NOTHING to do with one's salvation.

And if someone was to tell me that I was not going to make the rapture because I taught incorrectly, I would ask them to tell me how much of the study of eschatology I need to get right to make that trip? Those kind of people love to split 'frog hairs,' and 'frog hair' is real thin.

In Christ,
fishon

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That's as bad as those who teach if you don't speak in tongues you're not saved..... or those who teach if you DO speak in tongues your not saved. If we listen to all the reasons churches believe a person is not saved then NO ONE is saved!
Of course salvation is based on simplicity of believing in Christ (death, resurrection, attonement) and receiving him personally, repentance, and walking in the Spirit & in love. That's it.

I've heard churches teach if women wore pants they had the mark of the beast and were tampering with their salvation!
Truth is none of these things matters. Pants, jewelry, or whether one believes in pre trib or post trib rapture, or whether one believes the gifts of the Spirit are for today. I think many of us will find out things we thought to be right weren't right after all, but these will be wood, hay, and stubble at the judgment seat of Christ - it will not affect salvation at all.

However, if I am wrong and we are out of here, no big deal, we'll be with the Father.

If however, those who teach that you don't have to worry, no way, no shape or form about the Church going through the tribulation, and they are wrong, those teachers/preachers didn't get their congregation ready, and the outcome for them could be disasterous.

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Okay--it was this that made me wonder, since there is really no need for us Christians to prepare for the tribulation, only unbelievers.

Bornagain15 and Starcrystal,
As I read the post following mine, and then reread mine, I may have caused confussion. If I read Starcrystal's reply right, then I need to clarify.

Here is what I believe: If a Christian DOES NOT believe in the rapture or believes that it will take place sometime during or after the tribulation, and the rapture comes "pre-trib.", that Christian is still going in the rapture. When ever the rapture, all Christians will go. What you believe about the rapture is NOT a salvation issue.

I am sorry for the confusion. In rereading my first sentence to your question, Bornagain, I see my mistake.

And again, YES, we Christians must prepare for the tribulation, and if we go through it we are ready. However, if we are ready and we are raptured before the tribulation, well, praise God, we are in heaven.

I am really sorry about the confusion.
fishon