Leaving Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Japanese, Taoists, Chinese alone

Um... your thinking is laughably backward?

TeddyKGB said:

Um... your thinking is laughably backward?

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Yet you do not make a counter argument.

On topic, here's another cliche: What's popular is not always right, and what's right is not always popular. Just because a number of cultures approve or disapprove of something doesn't mean a thing.

JesusWalks78 said:

Yet you do not make a counter argument.

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Okay. Your argument is a version of the naturalistic fallacy. Call it the "cultural fallacy."

TeddyKGB said:

Okay. Your argument is a version of the naturalistic fallacy. Call it the "cultural fallacy."

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i havent presented an argument..and already its called a fallacy?

JesusWalks78 said:

i havent presented an argument..and already its called a fallacy?

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I believe this was in reference to the OP.

KarateCowboy said:

Condemnation of homosexuality is found in virtually all cultures across virtually all religions and even in countries like Japan, where the predominant religion(Buddhism) is silent on the subject. I am just wondering what it will take to get pro-perversion activists to stop forcing their corruption on every one and to recognize the universal moral standard and that amorous same sex relationships are not equal to the natural coupling of male and female.

Any thoughts?

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"Universal Moral Standard"? Since when did we have one of those?

Nathan Poe said:

I believe this was in reference to the OP.

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Well in case he wasnt.

He doesnt go into much detail though.

JesusWalks78 said:

Well in case he wasnt.

He doesnt go into much detail though.

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Not much need for detail, if we look at the OP again...

KarateCowboy said:

Condemnation of homosexuality is found in virtually all cultures across virtually all religions and even in countries like Japan, where the predominant religion(Buddhism) is silent on the subject. I am just wondering what it will take to get pro-perversion activists to stop forcing their corruption on every one and to recognize the universal moral standard (huh?) and that amorous same sex relationships are not equal to the natural coupling of male and female.

Any thoughts?

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The OP was full of a lot of inflammatory rhetoric, but not a whole lot of fact. How much detail do you want?

KarateCowboy said:

Condemnation of homosexuality is found in virtually all cultures across virtually all religions and even in countries like Japan, where the predominant religion(Buddhism) is silent on the subject. I am just wondering what it will take to get pro-perversion activists to stop forcing their corruption on every one and to recognize the universal moral standard and that amorous same sex relationships are not equal to the natural coupling of male and female.

Any thoughts?

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True, and of course homosexuality and other sexual perversions always seem to become common practices in a culture just before the civilization experiences total collapse; at the darkest moment of any civilization's history, there such perversion can be found.

Nathan Poe said:

How much detail do you want?

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Alot more than merely saying cultural fallacy.

Lord_Marx said:

I'd venture to guess that most homosexuals could care less what religions think about them and don't want to force them to do anything. They just want the government to recognize their marriages and people to let them live their lives in peace.

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That is true, homosexuals should never worry about what religious people have to say about them.

I don't know as much about some of the others, but I wouldn't include the Japanese in your anti-gay list. They've got quite a history of homosexuality, at least male homosexuality.

And just a hint: I don't think calling anyone "pro-perversion" is going to work towards getting them to see and understand your point of view.

One would think..

On a side note, DF has yet to provide any evidence whatsoever to support the claim he appears to be making that the percentage of persons in this country identifying as homosexual has in fact experienced any sort of change over the years.

Just because something used to be hidden behind closed doors doesn't mean it didn't exist.

JesusWalks78 said:

Alot more than merely saying cultural fallacy.

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Okay.

The OP offers nothing apart from assertion that all of the mentioned peoples/cultures/religions were universally condemnatory of homosexuality. In fact, my quick-n-dirty search suggests that sexual orientation itself is quite complex in Muslim societies, far more so than a simple dichotomous treatment can fairly depict.

Furthermore - this is the naturalistic fallacy part - the correctness of a practice cannot be deduced from the historical treatment of that practice. Prior to the 19th Century, a cultural/national consensus would have told us that slavery is permissible. The sea change in philosophy regarding slavery is now widely considered a 'good thing.'

You really have it in for the Church dont you?

KarateCowboy said:

Any thoughts?

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Yes. Who, precisely, do you honestly expect to be even remotely receptive to what you have to say, when you start off deriding everyone that doesn't share your opinion as 'pro-perversion activists'?

Insulting people really isn't the best way to endear them to your point of view.

Respect is a two-way street..

Uh huh and what civilization collapsed due to the rise of "Catholisism[sic]?"