another police beating again!!!!!!!

MyJhongFist · Jul 18, 2002

Originally posted by Morat
  

   It doesn't matter whether the cop, or you, or anyone, thought the kid deserved it.

 

I am not disagreeing with anything you said, except this. 

I wonder what would happen if Wyatt Earp had gone out to bring in a criminal and they would have grabbed his 'goods' ????

Only in a politically correct society, as this one, would police be criticized and ostracized for bringing in the bad guys and whacking them when they get out of line.

There was a time when criminals feared the authorities.  Not any more.

Raging Atheist · Jul 18, 2002

Originally posted by s0uljah
Um, a cop's job isn't to have his testicals crushed, or to take any sort of physical abuse without fighting back. Where do you get that idea?

Try asking a cop.  If you are trained to use deadly force and carry a gun, you BETTER be able to take a little abuse from time to time without flying off the handle...

Stupid question... did your history teacher skip the "human rights" section?

Though, I'll repeat, the punk had it coming...

Raging Atheist · Jul 18, 2002

Originally posted by MyJhongFist
I wonder what would happen if Wyatt Earp had gone out to bring in a criminal and they would have grabbed his 'goods' ????

Only in a politically correct society, as this one, would police be criticized and ostracized for bringing in the bad guys and whacking them when they get out of line.

yes... its called freedom... you're supposed to enjoy it... I suppose if I talk back to a cop I deserve a good thumping too?

There was a time when criminals feared the authorities.  Not any more.

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There are enough shootouts today WITHOUT the help of wild west tactics, thank you very much...

VOW · Jul 18, 2002

To MJF:

Unfortunately, I CANNOT give a fair and objective response about the individual (and God willing, he will be captured SOON) who abducted and murdered that baby, Samantha. We're talking human rights, and in my mind, such an animal is NOT human.

What the press has not been saying when reporting this story about Samantha, is about five or six years ago, a little boy was abducted about a hundred miles away in almost identical circumstances. His body was discovered about a week later, in a very isolated area. The perpetrator has never been found. The similarities between the two cases is too coincidental for me.

From friends who are cops, I have heard that child molesters, when captured, "fall down the stairs" a lot.

I say, "Gee, it's a shame they are so clumsy."

Peace be with you,
~VOW

Raging Atheist · Jul 18, 2002

Originally posted by VOW
We're talking human rights, and in my mind, such an animal is NOT human.

Thats interesting.  I think I kind of like the idea that having some sort of morality is necessary to be considered human.  This means two things to me: capital punishment is a-ok cuz they aren't human and animals such as dolphins which display humane behavior (leading stranded sailors to shore) are more human than some humans.

VOW · Jul 18, 2002

To Raging:

I'm not saying my gut reaction is RIGHT. It's not, I know it's not. And I don't believe in Capital Punishment, even for the subhuman child molestors.

And quite frankly, I DO agree with your assessment about dolphins, LOL.

Peace be with you,
~VOW

MyJhongFist · Jul 18, 2002

Originally posted by Raging Atheist

yes... its called freedom... you're supposed to enjoy it... I suppose if I talk back to a cop I deserve a good thumping too? 

I don't see the correlation between talking back, and grabbing the jimmie.  Big difference.

I think we agree more than either of us would like to admit.  Granted the guy does not have the proper temperament for the job.  Plus we both agree that the kid had it coming.  However, they are talking about charging this guy with a civil rights case ?????  Come on.  Why bring race into everything?   I don't care what color someone is.  White guy, Black guy, Purple guy hits me in the testicles, he is getting punched.  

But then, I'm not a cop.

 

MyJhongFist · Jul 18, 2002

Originally posted by VOW
To Raging: 

And I don't believe in Capital Punishment, even for the subhuman child molestors. 

I will say this much.  I am a Capital Punishment advocate.  However, there are some monsters that death is too good for. 

Life in prison, with no chance of not being tortured everyday, maybe??? 

VOW · Jul 18, 2002

To MJF:

Labeling it with "Civil Rights" doesn't mean they are bringing color into the picture. Police are granted powers beyond those of normal citizens, and when they abuse those powers, they are said to be violating a person's Civil Rights.

Years ago, in my community, there was a young woman killed in the desert under extremely suspicious circumstances. A CHP was indicted and tried for her murder, but the jury decided there wasn't enough proof for a conviction. Then the Federal government stepped in. It had more money to run more expensive testing on the evidence, so the Feds brought the guy to trial for violating the woman's Civil Rights in his duty as a law enforcement officer. By the Constitution, the man could not be tried again for murder: that would be double jeopardy.

In the Federal trial, the cop was convicted.

Both victim and assailant were white.

Peace be with you,
~VOW

Raging Atheist · Jul 18, 2002

Originally posted by MyJhongFist

I don't see the correlation between talking back, and grabbing the jimmie.  Big difference.

Negative. They're both different degrees of the same thing: provocation. Very little difference.

strathyboy · Jul 18, 2002

Again I must ask this question: has the cop been convicted of anything in a court of law?
Until this question is answered, us debating how "right" or "wrong" he was is pointless, especially when we DO NOT have the facts. All we have is a poorly shot video by a friend of the guy who got attacked, who was later himself arrested by police. This is hardly absolute and total proof of anything. Condemning the police officer in this case is to ignore the "innocence until proven guilty" principle that we all claim to cherish.

Raging Atheist · Jul 18, 2002

strathy: opinions are opinions and they'll be voiced... especially if they're not yours... we're not the guy's jury, so we don't need the facts, though it is people just like us who are in the jury... (assuming its a trial by jury case)

VOW · Jul 18, 2002

To Strathyboy:

What about the arrested juvenile? Where was his "innocent until proven guilty" principle?

Peace be with you,
~VOW

Morat · Jul 18, 2002

This person deserves whatever he gets.  Tie him up, handcuff him and do whatever terrible thing that society can think of to do.  It is nothing...and I mean <B>NOTHING </B>in comparison to what he put that poor little girl through.

  How does that make us any different than him?

Chris†opher Paul · Jul 18, 2002

Originally posted by Morat

  How does that make us any different than him?

Not that I necessarily agree with the person that posted that, but one difference that is apparent to me, is that the little girl did nothing to warrant her torture. 

Morat · Jul 18, 2002

  "deserves" is a value judgement. I don't think, for instance, either Jesus (or to pick more mortal folks, Ghandi or Mother Theresa) would be down there with the hot knives, or even agree he "deserved" it.

   Yet, if you argue he deserves it, someone must administer it. Someone must torture this man.

   Whether he deserves it or not, torturing people (or allowing them to be tortured) makes us no different them him.

  "Deserves" is mere justification.

MyJhongFist · Jul 18, 2002

Originally posted by Raging Atheist

Negative. They're both different degrees of the same thing: provocation. Very little difference.

 

Yeah, it's the degree that makes the difference.  LOL

MyJhongFist · Jul 18, 2002

Originally posted by Morat

  How does that make us any different than him?

I've never maliciously and brutally ended the life of an innocent child.  I'm sure you haven't either.  That's the difference between us and him.

He's a monster.  You can't disagree with that.  There is absolutely no justification for his actions.   However, repaying his own actions back to him is justice.

The basic law of behavior (religious or no) is that when you give kindness to others, you will be repaid with kindness (ideally that is).   Do right by others, they will do right by you.

Carried to it's logical extreme:   Brutally kill others, you will be repaid with.....  I'm not going to go there.

Sorry if I am going on a rant.   The more I see things like this, the angrier I get.  Only human, here.

Morat · Jul 18, 2002

  Why is okay to end the life of a captured criminal, but bad to end the life of an innocent child?

   You say he was a brutal criminal, and that justifies an "eye for an eye".

   But an "eye for an eye" leaves everyone blind, does it not?

   Torturing a torturer is not justice. It's revenge. It does not balance the scales, because all it creates is one more monster and one more victim.

MyJhongFist · Jul 18, 2002

Originally posted by Morat
  Why is okay to end the life of a captured criminal, but bad to end the life of an innocent child? 
  

::shaking my head, trying to clear my vision::  I can't believe I just read that.

Go to the CNN website and click on the story of Elizabeth Smart.  Or of Samantha Runnion.  Danielle Van Damm.

Read them well.  Make sure to get all the gory details of what was done to these innocent little children. 

No difference between them and their attackers?  I still cannot believe it. 

Ezra 7:26
And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment.

Numbers 35: 30a. Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses.

31. Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death.

Right there in verse 31.  God specifically says, that it is not about revenge.  But that the punishment should still be carried out.

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